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I believe that everyone has a birth right to maximize his/her own potential in life. Go Darvish!!

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Once bitten, twice shy. Daisuke Matsuzaka was way overpriced. King Pyrrhic i'm sure is just laughing at Boston's management.

We all know that Darvish is decent but how much is decent worth? I'm sure he'll go to MLB but not at the price tag Matsuzaka got away with.

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That's strange. The Yankees stated last week they are not interested. With the posting system Darvish is way overpriced. He may by great in Japan, but that does not translate to the majors where "real" baseball is played. Here its just salarymen in uniforms...

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He may by great in Japan, but that does not translate to the majors where "real" baseball is played. Here its just salarymen in uniforms.

That's a little harsh, I liked watching Masui play for the Yankees. Then again and living room coach has the benefit of making their point without backing it up.

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Best of luck to him, but unfortunately I don't think the money will be the same as it was for Matsuzaka. This is not because Darvish is not as good as Matsuzaka is (was?). I just think MLB teams are a little more skeptical of the ability of Japanese players to succeed in the Majors then perhaps they once were. Other than Ichiro, it's hard to think of any Japanese player (pitcher or otherwise) who has been able to consistently perform at a high level.

Hideki Matsui, Kaz Matsui, Iguchi, Takatsu, Kawakami, Saito, Irabu, Oka, Mtasuzaka, Sasaski, Yabu, Uehara, Tazawa, HIsanori Takahashi, Igawa, Nishioka, Tateyama, Mac Suzuki, Hasegawa, Kashiwada, Yoshii, Kida, Shinjo, Nomura, Komiyama, Ishii, Taguchi, Nakamura, Jojima, Otsuka, Kuwata, Iwamura, Igarashi, Kurota, Ken Takahashi are all players who tried to make the jump the Majors after Nomo made his move in 1995. All of the above were decent players in Japan, but for whatever reason (injury, etc.) none of them were (have been) really able to flourish in the Majors.Some lasted longer than others, some had a decent season or two, some even played on (and contributed to) championship/playoff teams, but none of them could really be considered a star.

Interestingly, Nomo did last 13 years and had a pretty decent career and attained a level of popularity that nobody other than Ichiro has even come close to surpassing.

Maybe Darvish will be different, but it would probably be wise if he didn't try to break the bank with his first contract. If he tries to take a hard line approach with respect to contract negotiations then he probably will find himself back in Japan next season.

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That's a little harsh, I liked watching Masui play for the Yankees. Then again and living room coach has the benefit of making their point without backing it up. Well, it looks like yagura backed up my statement. Other than Matsui and Ichiro all the others are forgetable.

Davish's posting fee plus what he will want in salary (probably a 10 year contract like Matsuzaka) will cost a team 100 million dollars. He's probably worth half that at best since he is totally unproven in the majors. And don't say how great he did in the World Baseball Classic or whatever. All the American players were probably hungover or exhausted from the non-stop baseball groupies they had to "entertain."

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I think DiceK really spoiled the chances of another Japanese player breaking the bank in a MLB rookie deal.

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"Other than Ichiro, it's hard to think of any Japanese player (pitcher or otherwise) who has been able to consistently perform at a high level." Maybe it was difficult for them to compete with all that steroid-fueled power.

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@yagura:

I think that Matsui Hideki was a little more successful than you give him credit for. He was even a World Series MVP I believe, as well as an All Star player. That is a pretty successful career.

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Why does every article have to include the nationality of his dad??? Who cares??!! Oh wait, Japan!! Pathetic.

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I really hope the Yankees pick Darvish up and waste all that money. That way I can laugh at him even more than when Hideki Irabu said "I ONLY PLAY FOR YANKEES" and then continued to completely suck.

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Why does every article have to include the nationality of his dad??? Who cares??!! Oh wait, Japan!! Pathetic

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Should Texas get Darvish, I look at him becoming the most successful Japanese pitcher ever... he won't have the restrictions that Matsuzaka had/has in Boston; he'll be able to train and pitch the way he wants like Sasaki did in Seattle... it will just be better disciplined with Nolan Ryan around... generally speaking, I think he has the attitude and demeanor to play Stateside... I think the greatest question is whether he'll be distracted by his marital problems... and whatever team does get him should make an effort in convincing him not to play in the WBC in 2013...

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"Other than Ichiro, it's hard to think of any Japanese player (pitcher or otherwise) who has been able to consistently perform at a high level."

Matsui was a World series MVP. And I hate Matsuzaka with a passion because he is good. There are a few more out there, you should study your baseball a little better.

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Hideki Matsui, Kaz Matsui, Iguchi, Takatsu, Kawakami, Saito, Irabu, Oka, Mtasuzaka, Sasaski, Yabu, Uehara, Tazawa, HIsanori Takahashi, Igawa, Nishioka, Tateyama, Mac Suzuki, Hasegawa, Kashiwada, Yoshii, Kida, Shinjo, Nomura, Komiyama, Ishii, Taguchi, Nakamura, Jojima, Otsuka, Kuwata, Iwamura, Igarashi, Kurota, Ken Takahashi

Congratulation on pasting this long list but Oka, Mac Suzuki and Tazawa never played in the NPB for example and Shinjo or Taguchi never were above average players. On that list, there is quite a few successfull such as Johjima who was one of the best catchers in the first two years, Uehara, Tateyama, Hisanori Takahashi, Otsuka, Iwamura, Iguchi, Sasaki, etc ...

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toguroDec. 13, 2011 - 10:01PM JST @yagura: I think that Matsui Hideki was a little more successful than you give him credit for. He was even a World Series MVP I believe, as well as an All Star player. That is a pretty successful career.

CruzControlDec. 14, 2011 - 02:00AM JST "Other than Ichiro, it's hard to think of any Japanese player (pitcher or otherwise) who has been able to consistently perform at a high level." Matsui was a World series MVP. And I hate Matsuzaka with a passion because he is good. There are a few more out there, you should study your baseball a little better.

I never said Matsui was a bad player. He's a good player, but in my opinion he has never even approached the level of Ichiro's play in the Majors or come close to the popularity that Nomo attained in the Majors. Matsui has had a a few good seasons, but nothing spectacular. He has not been able to consistently perform at a high level primarily due to injuries.

Have either of you you ever heard of any of these players? Jose Rijos, Jack Morris, Pat Borders, Tom Glavine, John Wettleland, Livian Hernandez, Scott Brosius, Mariano Rivera, Derek Jeter, Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, Troy Glaus, Josh Beckett, Manny Ramirez, Jermaine Dye, David Eckstein, Mike Lowell, Cole Hamels, Edgar Renteria, and David Freese. All of them are former World Series MVPs. Some Hall of Famers (or future Hall of Famers) on that list. But, there are also a few players there who had just were good players who got hot at the right time.

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yaguraDec. 14, 2011 - 09:49AM JST. I never said Matsui was a bad player. He's a good player, but in my opinion he has never even approached the level of Ichiro's play in the Majors

But would you want to build your team around Ichiro in the prime or Matsui in the prime? Lifetime OBP for Ichiro is .370 and Matsui at .363. Sure Ichiro gets alot of dribbler singles, and averages 40+ RBI's per year, but what does it mean? Just getting on base done mean anything. Ichiro cannot hit in the gaps to drive in runs. Ichiro cannot carry the jock strap. Matsui had many 100+ RBI's and can carry a team. I would take Matsui anyday over dribbler Ichiro. Heck, Ichiro and Seattle has not won anything, and they cannot win with Ichiro.

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Clément DelestradeDec. 14, 2011 - 03:45AM JST

Congratulation on pasting this long list but Oka, Mac Suzuki and Tazawa never played in the NPB for example and Shinjo or Taguchi never were above average players. On that list, there is quite a few successfull such as Johjima who was one of the best catchers in the first two years, Uehara, Tateyama, Hisanori Takahashi, Otsuka, Iwamura, Iguchi, Sasaki, etc ...

Mac Suzuki did play in the NPB. He played for Orix for a few season after his career in the majors fizzled. Perhaps if he didn't suffer so many injuries then he might have lasted longer in the majors.

Oka was a member of the BayStars before he joined the Red Sox. Again another pitcher who might have had a more successful career if he wasn't injured so much.

Tadano also played (still plays?) in the NPB. He signed with the Nippon Ham Fighters after a few poor seasons with the Cleveland Indians and I think he's still playing for them.

Johjima was a pretty good player but he was only getting about 5.5 million a year from the Mariners when he was there. He was probably a bargain at that price but he certainly wasn't a 10+ million dollar a year player. He lasted only 3 years and his stats were not even close to Ichiro's and his popularity was not even close to Nomo's.

The other players you mentioned are all good players and perhaps had a good season or two. But, none of them were able to perform consistently at a level high enough to allow them to be called superstar players.

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yaguraDec. 14, 2011 - 09:49AM JST. I never said Matsui was a bad player. He's a good player, but in my opinion he has never even approached the level of Ichiro's play in the Majors

But would you want to build your team around Ichiro in the prime or Matsui in the prime? Lifetime OBP for Ichiro is .370 and Matsui at .363. Sure Ichiro gets alot of dribbler singles, and averages 40+ RBI's per year, but what does it mean? Just getting on base done mean anything. Ichiro cannot hit in the gaps to drive in runs. Ichiro cannot carry the jock strap. Matsui had many 100+ RBI's and can carry a team. I would take Matsui anyday over dribbler Ichiro. Heck, Ichiro and Seattle has not won anything, and they cannot win with Ichiro.

I'd rather have Ichiro if I was gonna build a team from scratch. Defensively much better. Better hitter (even if they are mainly singles). Much better base runner as well. Overall just a much better player in my opinion.

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The two teams I can see him posibly playing for is The Cardinals or the Rangers. Those two would perform nicely with his arm on the mound. There are a bunch of other teams that would love to have him as a started but I don't think Darvish will go to any team. He wants to win big and make a name for himself. And the only way he can do that is to play for a team that is a driving force for the WS. Since the Rangers lost a big starter and they need all the help to get over the 2 WS losses.

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Oka played from 18 to 22 with Yokohama, that's what I meant, he was hardly a developed pitcher when he made the jump and his stats were weak. Then he went on to dominate the AAA level and got promoted in the MLB. Tadano has never been a good NPB pitcher.

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yaguraDec. 14, 2011 - 10:45AM JST. I'd rather have Ichiro if I was gonna build a team from scratch. Defensively much better. Better hitter (even if they are mainly singles). Much better base runner as well. Overall just a much better player in my opinion.

That is exactly what Mariners did for the last decade and they never won a championship with Ichiro. Point is Ichiro cannot carry a team and his $18 millon dollar dribbler hitter never can win championship, let alone division title. Individual stats means very littlle if they keep losing. Ichiro never walks so what good is all the dribblers? Facts are Matsui won and that's what counts.

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Darvish's options are somewhat limited since he's not a free agent. His negotiating rights are being sold by Nippon Ham to the highest bidder. Winning the negotiating rights is just half the battle since then a contract has to be hashed out. Nippon Ham wins regardless because they'll will either get lots of money for Darvish if he signs with the highest bidder or get him back next season if he doesn't.

The Rangers were unwilling to pay for CJ Wilson (perhaps their best pitcher) and let him go to the Angels for $75 million over 5 years. The Cardinals were unwilling to pay Pujols (arguably the best player in baseball) what he wanted so he also went to the Angels. These teams are both small/medium market teams and might not be able to offer Darvish what say a team like the Yankees is able to offer both in salary and potential endorsement opportunities.

The Red Sox paid about $52 million just to get the right to negotiate with Matsuzaka. They then were able to agree to around another $60 million in salary. I just don't see either the Rangers or Cardinals spending that much money on an unproven commodity such as Darvish; therefore, if either of them do get his rights, he's probably gonna have to drop his price a bit and be willing to accept a little less at least for his first contract.

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yaguraDec. 14, 2011 - 10:45AM JST.. I'd rather have Ichiro if I was gonna build a team from scratch. Defensively much better. Better hitter (even if they are mainly singles). Much better base runner as well. Overall just a much better player in my opinion.

If Seattle trades Ichiro this year, they could get value for him. Top prospects may be a reach, but getting a couple of young players who could be role players in the majors in the next year or so isn't out of the question. Ichiro isn't the prototypical leadoff hitter, especially for a team like the Mariners. They have shown that they win games by drawing walks, getting to opposing teams' bullpens and getting timely hits. Well, Ichiro has shown that he isn't the type of player that will really work a count and get a pitcher's pitch count up. If the Mariners decide they want to fully commit to a small-ball approach, they might want to go after a leadoff hitter with a high walk rate and OBP.

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yaguraDec. 14, 2011 - 11:22AM JST. The Cardinals were unwilling to pay Pujols (arguably the best player in baseball) what he wanted so he also went to the Angels.

What for? Pujols is just greedy. The Cardinals offered Pujols $130 million over 5 years ($26 million a year). Cardinals are smart knowing he will be 37 years old after completion of the contract. Angels might be a fool paying him way beyond his prime. Pujols might be on a downhill in a few years.

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sfjp330DEC. 14, 2011 - 11:15AM JST That is exactly what Mariners did for the last decade and they never won a championship with Ichiro. Point is Ichiro cannot carry a team and his $18 millon dollar dribbler hitter never can win championship, let alone division title. Individual stats means very littlle if they keep losing. Ichiro never walks so what good is all the dribblers? Facts are Matsui won and that's what counts.

Matsui did play on a World Series Championship team, but the Yankees had lots of good players on that team so I wouldn't exactly say that Matsui carried that team throughout the entire season by himself. Comparing the Yankees as a team to the Mariners as a team is completely different that comparing individual players. Lot more things to take into account. Matsui has played for two super teams (Yomiuri and Yankees) that were stacked with talent. Of course talent doesn't always win in the end, but it does give you a fighting chance. Ichiro played for the Blue Wave and then Seatle; two teams not traditionally considered to be baseball power houses.

Ichiro has also won a championship (abet in Japan if you wanna count that. You could also count the 3 that Matsui won with the Giants as well). Individually, he has also won 2 batting titles, 10 golden gloves, 3 silver sluggers, 1 Rookie of the Year, 1 MVP, 1 SB title, 1 All Star Game MVP, holds the MLB record for hits in a season, selected to 10 All Star teams and 2 WBC Championships (if you wanna count those). Then you could also add all of the awards he won while playing in Japan.

Again, Matsui is a good player but I just don't believe his career has been as good as Ichiro's.

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sfjp330DEC. 14, 2011 - 11:15AM JST yaguraDec. 14, 2011 - 10:45AM JST. I'd rather have Ichiro if I was gonna build a team from scratch. Defensively much better. Better hitter (even if they are mainly singles). Much better base runner as well. Overall just a much better player in my opinion.

That is exactly what Mariners did for the last decade and they never won a championship with Ichiro. Point is Ichiro cannot carry a team and his $18 millon dollar dribbler hitter never can win championship, let alone division title. Individual stats means very littlle if they keep losing. Ichiro never walks so what good is all the dribblers? Facts are Matsui won and that's what counts.

In Ichiro's first season (2001) the Mariners won 116 games and the AL West Division title. They made it to the ALCS before losing to the Yankees in games. They also won over 90 games the next two seasons. Not all of this could be attributed to Ichiro of course but he was part of the reason. Their record since Ichiro's first few years has not been really good but again not all of this could be attributed to Ichiro, but perhaps he was part of the reason.

At the end of the day, I strongly believe that 5 years after he retires, Ichiro will be a first ballot selection to the MLB HOF. Can't say I feel the same way about Matsui.

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tmarie wrote:

Why does every article have to include the nationality of his dad??? Who cares??!! Oh wait, Japan!! Pathetic.

One sportswriter in the U.S., Jeff Passan, has been particularly notorious for his dismissal of the talents of Japanese players over the years. He revels in the failures of some individuals too. I've noticed him repeatedly pointing out Darvish's family background in articles about him the past couple years to the point that I wonder if he just doesn't like the Japanese.

I can't imagine any team wanting to make an investment in Darvish far exceeding $100 million. I expect the winning posting fee bid to be about $40 million. So then I guess Darvish would get about a 6-year deal for about $60 million. It will be interesting to see how things play out.

@sfjp330:

But would you want to build your team around Ichiro in the prime or Matsui in the prime?

In NPB, Hideki Matsui. In the majors, Ichiro Suzuki.

There are few players anywhere, including MLB, with the skill set of an in-his-prime Ichiro. In contrast, there are always a number of players in the majors with similar or superior abilities to Matsui.

Ichiro's greatness was magnified by playing against the best every day. Matsui went from being on a path of an all-time great in Japan-with enviable power at the plate-to being just an above-average player for several years, although a good run producer on a dominant team.

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"That's strange. The Yankees stated last week they are not interested."

Many MLB teams have said they only have a mild interest. Could be true, could be false. It doesn't make sense to tip your hand because this is a bidding process. We'll only know after the fact what transpired.

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sfjp, this is baseball. ONE player cannot carry a team. Look at the Brewers this year : they had Braun (MVP) and Fielder (number 3 in MVP voting) who had 71 homers and 231 RBIs between them, and they still couldn't get to the World Series. Dodgers had Kemp (number 2 in MVP voting) and Kershaw (Cy Young winner) and they were a .500 team.

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@Patrick Hattman

Agree with you about the current version of Jeff Passan, but it the past he was one of those who really gushed (sometimes excessively) at just how good Japanese players were. In particular, Passan was very pro-Matsuzaka and did a few pieces on how great he was right around the time he was being posted. Even went as far as to go with Matsuzaka as his preseason pick for AL Rookie of the Year in 2007.

However, over the last year in particular, his opinion of Matsuzaka and other Japanese players has changed and his pieces tend to be more critical of them.

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sfjp330DEC. 14, 2011 - 11:34AM JST yaguraDec. 14, 2011 - 11:22AM JST. The Cardinals were unwilling to pay Pujols (arguably the best player in baseball) what he wanted so he also went to the Angels.

What for? Pujols is just greedy. The Cardinals offered Pujols $130 million over 5 years ($26 million a year). Cardinals are smart knowing he will be 37 years old after completion of the contract. Angels might be a fool paying him way beyond his prime. Pujols might be on a downhill in a few years.

Why is Pujols greedy? He was asking for what he thought he was worth and the Angels agreed. He's 31 so whether he has passed his prime is debatable. In the AL, he'll be able to DH every once and a while which will probably help him. If he stays healthy, he should put up some pretty big numbers for the Angels.

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DAAAAAARUBISSHHHUU.!! Ganbare! There is nothing more than wanting to see him succeed in the Majors in baseball terms except Chiba doing well next season, and Hanshin, Giants, Chunichi ending in last place. Matsuzaka had one or two good seasons then he got fat. Hideki Matsui is one mellow dude. He is high on the list of great Japanese players both in terms of ability and heart.

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yaguraDec. 14, 2011 - 11:57AM JST. At the end of the day, I strongly believe that 5 years after he retires, Ichiro will be a first ballot selection to the MLB HOF. Can't say I feel the same way about Matsui.

Let me understand, you want to include Ichiro's Japanese statistics in Hall of Fame considerations? Then why not include other players’ AAA statistics? Ever hear of Tuffy Rhodes or Randy Bass, (fringe major leaguers who were superstars in Japan)? How about Kei Igawa or Hideki Irabu? Yes, there are MLB caliber players in the JPBL, this dos not make it major league level competition any more than the fact that there are major-league caliber players that come out of AAA and even AA leagues every year. Your own data shows that Suzuki’s qualifications are on the level of Richie Ashburn’s (a questionable selection based on sentimentality and a huge PR campaign). If Suzuki gets to 3000 hits in MLB he should go in. Otherwise he hasn’t got a case.

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All readers back on topic please. The subject is Darvish. Posts that do not focus on him will be removed.

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sfjp330DEC. 15, 2011 - 07:21AM JST Let me understand, you want to include Ichiro's Japanese statistics in Hall of Fame considerations? Then why not include other players’ AAA statistics? Ever hear of Tuffy Rhodes or Randy Bass, (fringe major leaguers who were superstars in Japan)? How about Kei Igawa or Hideki Irabu? Yes, there are MLB caliber players in the JPBL, this dos not make it major league level competition any more than the fact that there are major-league caliber players that come out of AAA and even AA leagues every year. Your own data shows that Suzuki’s qualifications are on the level of Richie Ashburn’s (a questionable selection based on sentimentality and a huge PR campaign). If Suzuki gets to 3000 hits in MLB he should go in. Otherwise he hasn’t got a case.

I never said or implied that Ichiro's stats in Japan should count any more than Matsui's or any other Japanese player's shouldn't count. If you go all the way back to my very first post, I was speaking in terms of MLB baseball when I wrote "Other than Ichiro, it's hard to think of any Japanese player (pitcher or otherwise) who has been able to consistently perform at a high level." If that wasn't clear then my bad. I shouldn't have assumed that most people would pick up on that.

I've heard of Richie Ashburn but am too young to have ever seen him play. He's in the HOF so there's no point in anymore in trying to debate whether he belongs there or not. Ichiro's career is not over. By the time he has finished, I believe he will have done enough in the Majors to be a first ballot (MLB HOF) inductee even if he doesn't reach 3000 hits. The other player's you mentioned (and I know who they are, so no need to try and be condescending; nobody was doing that to you) had some good years either in Japan or the Majors, but none of them were able to perform at as high a level for as long as Ichiro, so they are not a valid comparison in my opinion.

As for Darvish, as I said in my very first post, "I just think MLB teams are a little more skeptical of the ability of Japanese players to succeed in the Majors then perhaps they once were." and "Maybe Darvish will be different, but it would probably be wise if he didn't try to break the bank with his first contract. If he tries to take a hard line approach with respect to contract negotiations then he [will] probably will find himself back in Japan next season."

We'll all find out today just how much a MLB team feels Darvish is worth. And 5 years after Ichiro retires, we'll find out if he was good enough to make into the HOF.

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I think that Matsui Hideki was a little more successful than you give him credit for. He was even a World Series MVP I believe, as well as an All Star player. That is a pretty successful career.

I believe that thinking like this hurts Yu in the long run, one year does not make a career and for him to be successful in MLB he is going to have to produce at a high level, as a top of the rotation starter, for more than one or two years to be considered sucessful.

There are huge question marks about him, sure he pitched well here, but I dont think that MLB exec's look at the level of play here in Japan as being anywhere close to the same as in MLB.

Give him his chance yes, but I hope that no team breaks the bank in posting fees to get the chance to negotiate with him.

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yagura DEC. 15, 2011 - 09:51AM JST We'll all find out today just how much a MLB team feels Darvish is worth. And 5 years after Ichiro retires, we'll find out if he was good enough to make into the HOF.

My bad. Bidding has already ended but the Fighters have until early next week to announce whether they accepted the winning bid or not. I guess we'll have to wait until then.

Interestingly, I just saw this on Yahoo! Sports. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AmkT0Ow7XgdmlPk1SXm7BTQRvLYF?slug=ap-orioles-wada

Wada is a pretty good pitcher. He's been injured but seems to have recovered. His career stats are pretty good. Obviously he's not in Darvish's class, but he's not a total slouch either. Despite this, the Orioles (who need pitching) were only willing to offer him $8.15 million for two years. He may turn out to be a real bargain at that price.

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Interesting how sfjp continues his Ichiro bashing when the topic is Yu Darvish. Speaking of which, my prediction is $35 million, to the Blue Jays.

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Darvish sometimes let's the sliders hang. He has a vertical slider or like a big curve. He also has a cutter and a fast slider and his hast balls average somewhere around 147km and peaks to 153 or so. His placement is very good. He needs to get used to being a new country, new mound, all the traveling. It takes more than just baseball talent to be able to adjust. You can see here on Japan Today the amount of bickering by non Japanese due to their own failures to adjusting to a new environment.

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biculturalDEC. 15, 2011 - 12:47PM JST Interesting how sfjp continues his Ichiro bashing when the topic is Yu Darvish. Speaking of which, my prediction is $35 million, to the Blue Jays.

Toronto is a nice city. It's climate is probably a little more closer to what Darvish is used to as opposed to say a place like Dallas-Fort Worth (Arlington) where the Rangers play. Toronto also has a pretty good reputation as being an international city which might appeal to him and his family. And since Toronto is Canada's largest city and there's only 1 MLB team in Canada, there might be some endorsement opportunities open to him there that aren't available in other places. Plus, the Blue Jays play in a dome (Rogers Center) . The Blue Jays have some good young players and probably wouldn't be expected to contend right away so it might be a good place for Darvish to get his feet wet.

Not sure about the tax stuff though. I think Blue Jays players get paid in $USD. Not sure what that would mean for his taxes if it means anything at all.

It will be interesting to see what happens if the Blue Jays end up with the highest bid.

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Darvish at least has one thing going for him: the first year usually goes to the pitcher. The batters would not be familiar with his stuff - they've not seen it enough before. That's why there's a lot of good-enough pitchers get good first years.

But what makes MLB the most major of major leagues is adjustment. MLB sluggers eventually adjust; show your stuff enough to MLB hitters, they learn faster than lesser talents (otherwise, they wouldn't had made it to the MLB.) There are stats, videos of every scenario, tendencies, scouting reports, etc. of everything and everybody that builds up over time.

So pitchers have to adjust and learn too, or they'd soon be out of MLB. Only the really good pitchers could have multiple good years.

And as Dotobock pointed out, there are other factors outside the diamond that new players have to adjust as well.

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Go Blue Jays!! Fork out $50 to $80 million and finish 3rd or 4th rather than 5th! (sigh...)

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Yahoo! Sports is reporting that the Rangers won the bidding with a record breaking bid of $51.7M. Didn't think any team could or would want to go that high. Shows how much I know. :D

Now the fun begins since Texas still has to work out a deal with Darvish and his agents. Yu's in the driver's seat now. He's gonna ask for a lot and Texas will pay if they really want him.

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