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There is a very very thin line between "Nationalism" and "Racism".

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Transcended debilitating patriotism/nationalism.

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This isn't "patriotism". This is insecure xenophobia. If a national coach can say things like this and is backed by many of its citizens then this country has serious nationalism issues. Not much news from this country to make it look appealing to anybody.

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HAHAHA. These adopted sportsmen (women) playing for another country is so common, but if it is between Japan and China I can see how it will not sit well with China. Chinese people are very passionate about their basketball, if you google the words china and basketball you will find the most violent fights in the sport!!! Maybe there was more to the move to Japan than patriotism or lack there of.

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Wow - becoming a citizen of Japan has become lightning fast it seems now. BTW - why did she take a "japanese name"? I'd have thought "Li" wouldve been acceptable and pronouncable on her jersey.

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I just googled her and she is 196 cm !!!!!

She is still young so probably will learn Japanese fairly quickly too. Welcome to Japan and good luck !

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Even if the Chinese are violent about basketball character assassination of this sort is just ugly.

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CBA officials said Li left her Beijing team in 2010 to seek treatment from an injury and was later discovered to be playing for Japanese team Chanson V-Mag, having adopted the name Miyuki Sugiyama.

I didn't know you could get naturalized in 3 years.

Seems that if you're an athlete you're better than everybody else and I'm sure that because of her playing for the national team, Japan will win every game because winning at basketball is so very important. More important than giving visas to and/or naturalizing foreign doctors and nurses.

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No matter if she has a Chinese or an ugly Japanese name, she will be spurned by everybody who loves Chinese basketball for her unpatriotic behavior,” FUNNY! Too funny! Stupid people in China are making a fuss about this, I suggest brainwashed folk in China look back at their HISTORY of sending CHINESE PING PONG players all over the world! Yes all over the world to play for OTHER COUNTRIES in the Olympics etc....so funny to see for example the German, the Spanish, the Brazilian teams and only or mostly CHINESE ping pong players on those teams! Do the Chinese not know that many of their countrymen choose to play for other countries, or now ping pong, table tennis is not as cool?? Or as important as basketball??

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And one needs to ask, why move from China to Japan?

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They treat her like she's just an object that they want to "reclaim"; a Chinese basketball that they want returned. But she's a human whose choices should be respected.

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Unfortunately anti-Japanese attitudes are hammered into the Chinese children from a very young age. Although the war has been over for many years, this rabid racism still persists. Give it time. Education,exchange, cooperation,understanding...... it will pass.

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their just JELLY

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7solace

But she's a human whose choices should be respected.

No, in communist china she's worth nothing from the human point of view. She was worthy only when she was producing something for the country.

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@Ossan

There is a very very thin line between "Nationalism" and "Racism".

In some cases, I think there is none. This would be one of them.

But' I would agree that they are supposed to be different. Nationalism can be a good thing. Patriotism, where due and relevant is good too. Racism is never good. Ever

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"The China Daily said the CBA would try to “reclaim Li” through discussions with Japanese basketball officials." If the discussions don't work out they can always try to "reclaim Li" by sending some fishing boats to the area.

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Reclaim assumes there was an initial claim. Does slavery still exist?

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I am not sure there would be as much animosity if she had left for another country besides Japan. Chinese athletes leaving China for other country nary raises an eyebrow in most other sports, especially table tennis. At last years Olympics only two competing nations in table tennis did not have Chinese expatriates playing for them. Of course one of those countries was Japan.

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'Tis a shame. The politics of the island row and other problems should be kept to that sphere -- politics. Leave sports and the arts out of it.

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Who want to live in country like China anyway. Human right abuse, media censorship,bird flu, barbaric protest, people spit and poop everywhere...the list goes on.

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Who want to live in country like China anyway. Human right abuse, media censorship,bird flu, barbaric protest, people spit and poop everywhere...the list goes on.

People poop everywhere? Really? Remember spitting on the street was also part of Japanese culture until the Americans educated the Japanese not to do so after the war. Heck - some old guys here STILL spit in the pool I swim at!

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money talks..

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I thought you had to live in Japan for at least five years before you could naturalise? If Ms Li/Sugiyama is only 18 it is unlikely she has met this requirement. She may not be naturalised at all.

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Interesting to compare with Masayo Imura, former synchronized swimming star, then a Japan national Coach from 1978 to 2004. She later went and coached China's national team from 2006 through 2008, then 2010. Although she was criticized by some, in 2009 (after being in China) she was focus of a positive television documentary about her life. Japan 1 China 0 in this comparison.

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Interesting to compare with Masayo Imura, former synchronized swimming star, then a Japan national Coach from 1978 to 2004. She later went and coached China's national team from 2006 through 2008, then 2010. Although she was criticized by some, in 2009 (after being in China) she was focus of a positive television documentary about her life. Japan 1 China 0 in this comparison.

Do you have link for the documentary?

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I didn't know you could get naturalized in 3 years. Seems that if you're an athlete you're better than everybody else and I'm sure that because of her playing for the national team, Japan will win every game because winning at basketball is so very important. More important than giving visas to and/or naturalizing foreign doctors and nurses.

Well they didn't give the soccer player Juninho citizenship a little while back. Have things changed or was his Japanese just that bad?

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"The phenomenon of famous people with money switching their nationality is not new in China. In 2008, Chinese movie megastar, Gong Li, became a Singaporean citizen after she married her Singaporean husband. Her decision set off massive amounts of Chinese netizens, some who agreed with the decision, others who simply labeled it as “unpatriotic.” Another high-profile movie star, Jet Li, also took Singaporean citizenship in 2009 after he tied the knot with his Singaporean wife."

Below are some comments made after Yao Ming visited China with his wife and nine-month old daughter, who came in on an American passport, which he said she was free to keep or give up when she turned 18.

Yao's family is free to choose whatever they want, everyone just shut up!

I'm a little disappointed but I can understand. I hope after all of this he doesn't talk about how patriotic he is.

Yao Ming, are you Chinese!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yao Ming is only doing this so he can have a son (referring to China's one-child policy).

I support Yao's sensible decision.

If China didn't back up and support him, Yao would be like Tang Zhengdong, nobody in America would no (sic) who he is.

You really can't stay in this country, if you're rich you have to leave.

Yao is garbage.

After she's 18? How ridiculous is that!

How patriotic! What a real "national hero!"

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China has exported tons of Table Tennis people and they are complaining about this? lol

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There is a very very thin line between "Nationalism" and "Racism

Perhaps there is but there is no racism in this story. Xenophobia and nationalism? Yes. Racism? Nope.

Either way, the Chinese head coach is vile and nothing is surprising about how many Chinese are behaving.

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I would support such a move and we should encurage multi-cultures and people from different places to Japan. I hope Japan welcomes her and others from China as much as China welcoming Japanese players. politics for old men, let them to it.

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Chinese people are the most manipulated people in the rest of the world. What a shame.

Biggest population indeed, they have brains too... But... they are being manipulated. To hell with all their pathetic patriotism, their government already wants to own the world and yet they talk about patriotism?

GOOD GIRL CHINESE GIRL! You left that mainland where disgusting people are living.

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"No matter if she has a Chinese or an ugly Japanese name, she will be spurned by everybody who loves Chinese basketball for her unpatriotic behavior," said Li Xin, China's youth national team coach, on her verified account on Sina Weibo, China's version of Twitter.

Does anyone outside of China even follow Chinese basketball? Seriously, Li Mingyang probably got sick and tired of all the match fixing going on.

Gabe Muoneke, an American player who joined the Yunnan Bulls last season, said he was told by a Chinese teammate that a game against the Shanghai Sharks in November was fixed. "He said, 'Listen, my bookie told me we're going to win today, so don't worry,'" Muoneke said. ... "It's common knowledge that Chinese teams bribe referees," he said.

See http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/23/sports/basketball/23basketball.html

The situation would have had to have been pretty bad for her to not only leave her country but change her name as well.

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Why do Chinese change their names to Japanese names in order to play on Japanese sports teams?

Foreign baseball players don't change their names to play on Japanese baseball teams. Like if I want to play on the Yomiuri Giants baseball team I wouldn't have to change my name to, say, Kazuhide Otani.

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its her life, let her do what she wants they obviously made her an offer she couldn't refuse i suggest not trying to get her back

changing her name though is a self deprecating move

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Why do Chinese change their names to Japanese names in order to play on Japanese sports teams?

According to my Chinese(Hong Kong) friend they do such thing because other nation´s citizens have hard time to pronounce their real name.

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I google and find something interesting:

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90779/8210599.html

According to the article, she took sick leave from her former club then disappeared in Oct 2010. Then reappear now under another name playing for another club. It also states that "The CBA reported the incident to FIBA in 2012, leading to International basketball’s governing body ruling that Li can register to play for a Japanese club but the Japanese side has to pay fines to the CBA."

I think she did not follow the rules. However, if you are given an opportunity to have a better life I would say most people will do the same thing.

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Chinese people are the most manipulated people in the rest of the world. What a shame.

Funny, I would have gone with North Korea...

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This is Japan media stoking nationalism.

Why this all of a sudden gets a news story in Japan is pretty clear to me. There have been many Chinese sports athletes who have naturalized in other countries like Singapore, South Korea, also. Japan isn't alone on this. And each time the Chinese online users will of course call them traitors. Wouldn't Japanese online users say the same thing if one of their athletes take up a South Korean citizenship.

But the real story is, why the Japanese media all of a sudden turn this into a news story worthy of a report.

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This is the scum of Chinese basketball

Ugly rhetoric. And so sad potential talented players are not granted the freedom to play in overseas teams without being scorned. Instead of vilifying young players' desires to develop their skills on the international scene, China should be proud of its ability to produce great players.

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There is a very very thin line between "Nationalism" and "Racism".

in this case, it's definitely nationalism. can't be racism, as there are only 3 known races - mongoloid, caucasoid and negroid. people of east & southeast asia belongs to the mongoloid race.

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“No matter if she has a Chinese or an ugly Japanese name, she will be spurned by everybody who loves Chinese basketball for her unpatriotic behavior,” said Li Xin"

If she doesn't carry her little red book she must be a traitor.

Simple minds will always just be simple, more poor that the PRC is an uncivilized nation.

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Simple minds will always just be simple, more poor that the PRC is an uncivilized nation.

PRC is a relatively young nation...less than 50 years old.

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tmarieApr. 18, 2013 - 05:05PM JST "There is a very very thin line between "Nationalism" and "Racism" Perhaps there is but there is no racism in this story. Xenophobia and nationalism? Yes. Racism? Nope.

maglev101Apr. 18, 2013 - 10:17PM JST "There is a very very thin line between "Nationalism" and "Racism". in this case, it's definitely nationalism. can't be racism, as there are only 3 known races - mongoloid, caucasoid and >negroid. people of east & southeast asia belongs to the mongoloid race.

No it's racism. Racism can refer to any ethnic group not just a "race". If Canadians hate Americans, it is "Racism". Patriotism is love of your own country. Nationalism is putting your own country above others even to extreme levels. Racism is hating other countries, ethnic groups, religions, etd. The anti-Japanese sentiment in China is clearly racism despite the label "Patriotic Education".

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I know lots Chinese who have left the People's Republic and are not going back. There is a good reason for that. The real "scum" are the people who run China.

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@ Ossanamerica - "If Canadians hate Americans it's racism." Really? Going by that logic, if North Koreans hate South Koreans it's also racism, and vice-versa. You can label this behavior many things, but it's not racism. Similarly, a protestant hating catholics on the basis of religion is not racism. Your definitions of "racism" are incredibly broad.

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The article fails to mention whether or not she can slam-dunk and further more if she can whether or not she yells "HOT DOG!" in Chinese when doing so.

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How come they didn't hate Yao Ming so much? Because he's a male?

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When it comes patriotism or nationalism these two nations are same...

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How do you say "scum" in Japanese, er... Chinese?

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teacher Li Xin,

How can you brand an ex-student as "scum." Do you not understand how this reflects on you as a teacher? And who would want to be your student now? I hope you are boo-ed every time you show yourself on the court. You are a disgrace to the occupation of teacher and the sport of basketball. If you had any pride you should step down from your position and at least apologize for your action.

Sincerely with the utmost respect,

BaDSey<

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Found a phrase in Chinese saying "shehui zhazi" or in Japanese "Shakai no kuzu", which surprisingly carries the actual meaning of the English 'scum', ie the scum/dregs of society.

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