IOC call with Chinese tennis star Peng raises more questions

@Pukey2

I'm sure no one here does that.

The issue is unfortunately chinese journalism isn't better.

stranger:

That was a weird statement by you, why are you giving the USA and the CIA a pass on the Assange issue?

I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the western media and people like you who take the western media as the golden standard of journalism, and the west as the ideal way of life on this planet.

All of these stories leave out the fact that publicly accusing someone of commiting crimes is itself criminal defamation in China (and in Japan and most of Asia). You are free to share your accusations with the police, but not with millions of social media followers. She was probably arrested and these public appearances are a condition of her release and non-prosecution.

Disagree with those saying it's worst else where so therefore this is a non story and no one should care about it.

But at the same time, I wouldn't hold my breath hoping these actions will help her beyond she may appear playing tennis in a media controlled environment.

Yes, there are problems. That is one subject.

There are also a lot of hypocrisies, from some Western countries/ organizations/ media, and their allies.

That incidence in the Middle East, which is a very important ally of someone, where some one was confirmed chopped up. Warranted only a short period of time in the press?? No one/ organization/ media cut off ties/ contacts/ imposed sanctions??

Because of such example, Western countries/ organizations/ media, and their allies have no credibility when they critic someone/anyone. Its all political/ geopolitics, even for sport bodies.

People are simply pointing out that China has enacted laws that allow them to "disappear" people,

As opposed to USA and CIA right out attempting to assassinate people (like Assange)?

Why is it opposed to that? The whole Assange case is China-like in its tyranny. That was a weird statement by you, why are you giving the USA and the CIA a pass on the Assange issue?

*1989 sorry, we really could use an Edit button.

I'm not saying you're a CCP protestor, but you post the same things that the CCP propaganda machine does.

Not saying China has zero propaganda, every country does, but so does the west. People seem to think that everything that comes out of China must be propaganda and everything from western media must be true. Neither is the case. You can look to Cuba if you want to see more overt examples of that. I grew up in the states, I used to think the same kinds of things, the conditioning is very pervasive.

The problem I have with this case is that the poor woman is being used as a political pawn, and her actual legitimate claim is being ignored in favour of that.

You can look at first hand accounts from western media sources from 1984 if you want more insight into Tiananmen, it is off-topic for this thread so we don't need to get into it here (sorry Mods, I am trying to curtail it I promise) but I encourage you to check it out and draw your own conclusions. I don't need to tell you what happened.

strangerland:

People are simply pointing out that China has enacted laws that allow them to "disappear" people,

As opposed to USA and CIA right out attempting to assassinate people (like Assange)? It's the hypocrisy that I hate.

I said that I think her original sexual assault claim should absolutely be investigated. Numerous sources have shown she is otherwise fine, we don't even need to take the IOC's word for it. People seem to be talking more about that non-issue than the actual legitimate claim this whole thing started with.

People are simply pointing out that China has enacted laws that allow them to "disappear" people, and this sure seemed to fit the bill. I think we all find such a law atrocious, and an affront to human rights.

Tiananmen is a whole other can of worms that is not as cut and dry as either side would want you to believe

Yes it is. Thousands of peaceful protestors were murdered by the CCP at Tienamen square. It's very cut and dry. The CCP really don't like people talking about it, so they send out their propaganda machine to try to blur the lines by making unfounded claims like 'it's not as cut and dry as either side would want you to believe'.

I'm not saying you're a CCP protestor, but you post the same things that the CCP propaganda machine does.

@Strangerland

I said that I think her original sexual assault claim should absolutely be investigated. Numerous sources have shown she is otherwise fine, we don't even need to take the IOC's word for it. People seem to be talking more about that non-issue than the actual legitimate claim this whole thing started with.

Tiananmen is a whole other can of worms that is not as cut and dry as either side would want you to believe (also it suddenly escalated to tens of thousands?), but that is not particularly relevant to this article.

People don't care about Peng Shuai, they just wanted a point to "stick it to the CPC".

I know nothing about her, but I think it's very important to call out CCP atrocities like this, and like the murder of tens of thousands of innocent student protestors with tanks in Tienamen Square in 1989.

Or do you think we should let these atrocities lie, and forgive the CCP?

People don't care about Peng Shuai, they just wanted a point to "stick it to the CPC". People actually seemed disappointed that she turned up okay, because they would rather something nefarious have happened to her just to prove a point again China.

It has nothing to do with her original claim, which by all means should continue to be investigated.

Since Xi came to power in 2012 there has been little room for dissent in China, and he has made it clear that no matter how rich, famous or powerful you are, no-one is beyond the reach of authorities. 

Xi introduced new laws that essentially made arbitrary and secret detentions legal under Chinese law.

So, Disappearances have become the new normal.

In recent years, the government appears to have been setting an example with high-profile figures who vanish after criticising the Communist Party and then reappear after some time with a public punishment.

This is all about the money and the IOC, an un-elected quasi-state willingly to turn a lined eye to human rights abuses in order to rack up billions of dollars in bid and license fees.

The US and every other democracy should boycott these dictator games. It would deny China, which is objectively a totalitarian dictatorship, the legitimacy it so desperately craves. And it would send a message to the IOC: human rights is on the table for the Olympic “movement.”

I'm getting pretty sick and tired of the daily obligatory anti-China articles too.

Lamily:

Thousands have disappeared in South America, especially Argentina and Brazil. Not a word from the media

Probably because I can't think of a single country in South America that is approaching USA in terms of global economy.

China, do us a favor, just demand Peng to leave China so she can have a cup of coffee with Martina Navratilova. The longer this drags on, the more I think she just had an angry outburst with her emotions about her love affair all over the place and, in the heat of the moment, blurted out everything in a Weibo post, but instantly regretted it and deleted it immediately. She probably feels more embarrassed than anything. Whether this is the truth or not, the west will pounce on anything to attack China. The translation of her original post is available. As in France, mistresses are a dime a dozen in China.

I noticed this article was written by the same Associated Press which recently admitted there was absolutely no evidence of any genocide in Xinjiang.

There is also today’s “Opinion”(?) piece @Mr.Kipling & @tooheysnew, with another issue concerning China: did they catch & try a criminal or, have they simply quieted another dissident? - Will be interested to read both of your viewpoints/comments on that issue as well. - Regards

@tooheysnew 9:24am: responding to @Mr.Kipling 7:49am: [*We have to have at least one anti-China article everyday.**] - “*and we usually have at least one pro CCP person defending their actions” -

And bach should be tried at the Hague for the crimes against people & countries he & the ioc have committed!

We have to have at least one anti-China article everyday.

and we usually have at least one pro CCP person defending their actions

The ioc aiding & abetting the chinese government, why am I NOT surprised!

Not a word from the media

Pretty sure the media in China doesn't have a word about her disappearance either.

The IOC - the organization that pushes through and makes sure that any and all Olympic Games are held. China - the unworthy host of the next Olympics. The Peng Shuai scandal - possible sticking point for the Games.

And we should trust them?

Why is this even news? Right..... We have to have at least one anti-China article everyday. Usually more.