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Chuichi Hashimura
Congratulations on Miura's great oldest goal!
nath
More a statement on the sad state of J-League soccer than a glowing reference of Miura'a soccer prowess.
USNinJapan2
Agree with you Dog. 46 and still on the pitch of a top-flight league? Uh, maybe not so top-flight after all...
Well, as long as he doesn't dive like Neymar...
OzKen
Have people read the article correctly? Rhetorical question - Kazu scored his goal in the second division otherwise known as J2. If only the Samurai Blue could have a 25 year old Kazu now in their team - I would go out on a limb and say they'd be a top 10 side in the world. But back to reality - congratulations to Kazu for his service to the world game. An excellent career.
USNinJapan2
OzKen
Oops, good catch. Didn't notice that he plays in J2. Must have been distracted by his worship of a flopping Brazilian.
nath
OzKenJul. 05, 2013 - 10:27AM JST
Incase you didn't know, J2 is the second tier of the J League, where 2 two teams, go up to the creme of J soccer , J 1. A few more geriatric goals like this and Kazu could be kicking it off with the best domestic Japan has to offer,
Oh not this old chestnut again, especially after the debacle of the confed cup. Japan was, is and will always be a pretty mediocre team on the world stage, and the main reason for this is the mediocre standard and demands of the domestic league which allows Kazu to continue playing.
Hide Suzuki
@Dog
"Incase you didn't know, J2 is the second tier of the J League, where 2 two teams, go up to the creme of J soccer , J 1."
LOL, In case you didn't know, there is a big difference between J1 and J2, just like there is a big difference between Premier league and their second division. Kazu hasn't played in J1 for more than a decade LOL.
And in case you did't know, Kazu can still play because he can get people to the stadium, not because of his playing ability, LOL.
hoserfella
Hide Suzuki- I look forward to the day when I find myself laughing uncontrollably while writing 3 innocuous sentences. For the moment, I barely register a smirk while writing this. How do you do it?
Jimizo
J2 is pretty poor. I've watched quite a few games and the pace and standard would allow a 46-year old of decent quality to play. Good to see he's kept himself in shape and still pulls in the crowds. Good on him and he deserves credit.
nath
Hide SuzukiJul. 05, 2013 - 03:30PM JST
Second Division is three leagues down from the Premier. It would take a team 3 years at least to get from the Second Division to the Premier.
Says everything that needs to be said about Japanese sports and why they only produce mediocre players on the international stage, from Japanese soccer to Japanese golf.
hoserfella
Hide! you little dickens! what happened to all that teenaged girl-like joviality??
Jimizo
@USN If you have a problem with players who dive, I'd recommend watching a different sport. I wouldn't mind Neymar in my team. Could you honestly say you wouldn't have him in your team?
USNinJapan2
Jimizo
Neymar's talented for sure, but I detest divers and can't stand theatrics. No, I would not want him on my team.
Jimizo
@USN You're a Man U fan. Ronaldo? Nani? Van Nistelrooy? They went/go down as fast as your thumbs down. I don't like divers either but I also know what the word 'hypocrisy' means.
OzKen
Don't be petulant, ofcourse I am aware. The second division is the second division - more than half the teams in J2 are nothing more than amateur sides who will never get a chance of playing in J1, the standard is poor hence why Kazu can still score goals in that division.
That's not just me saying it, Mark Bosnich and Paul Okon (they are ex Australian national players who have played the game at the highest level) say it as well - I mean better taking in what they say than a casual observer who doesn't even know that most of those players in the national team play in Europe. The confed cup wasn't a debacle - Brazil were just too good who beat Spain with the same score as they did Japan, the Italy game could have gone either way and by the time the Mexico fixture came along there was nothing to play for. I think I have put things into much better context than you have there. Your knowledge and understanding of the game is clearly lacking.
nath
OzKenJul. 06, 2013 - 10:48AM JST
Who's the casual observer?
Actually 19 of the last Japanese squad of 33 for the Confed cup play in the Japanese domestic league and of the Japanese players playing in Europe, most of them are bench warming subs or play for little teams in the Bundesliga
OzKen
That would be you.
And playing in the Bundesliga where the emphasis is on technique and tactics, regardless of how big or small the club they play for, is better than playing in say somewhere like England where the quality of football is inferior.
The development of Japanese football is clearly on a constant upwards curve and has been for 20 years. They have a production line of number 10's that they export to Europe now, the next step is for them to develop a really good goal poacher. South Korea are able to so there's no reason why Japan can't - and when they do they'll be a genuine world force in the sport as agreed upon by many who know the game well.
USNinJapan2
OzKen
This must not mean much though, since after all, the current #10 plays for one of those inferior English teams, as you put it...
Liam Roberts
OzKen Didn't Mark Bosnich and Paul Okon both play in England where supposedly the quality of football is inferior? And the less said of Bosnich the better
OzKen
Kagawa developed his raw talent in Germany at Dortmund though. His schooling has pretty much finished and playing regular Champions League football with Manchester Utd who are a good club and develop players the right way isn't a bad thing, but with David Moyes taking over - who knows where they'll go from here.
My criticisms of the EPL are more directed at the mid-table and lower-table teams whose training methods and coaching are inferior to that on continental Europe. It is not a place to seek schooling as a 17 or 18 year old. The development of young English players says a lot about the EPL. Have you watched their national side play the last 12 years? They are pathetic.
Mark Bosnich was a goalkeeper. Technique and tactics are less important if you are a goalkeeper as opposed to a field player. The fact he went off the rails during his career (he has recovered and lives a clean life now) doesn't take away from the fact he knows and reads the game well.
As for Paul Okon - he had his best years as a footballer when he played in Belgium and Italy. Then he sustained a career threatening injury which plagued him for the rest of his career and it was from here (the downward slide) that he moved to the EPL and then back to Australia. But his career was defined in Belgium and then the Serie A, another highly technical (but boring to watch) league.
My point is that if you are a kid seeking development as a player you should go to Germany, Italy, Spain, France, Netherlands, Belgium or Portugal. England (and the entire British Isles) would and should be last. If you can prove yourself in these leagues and develop into a good player than moving to the EPL for the money is not a bad career move.
Liam Roberts
OzKen Some of those so called mid table and lower teams have got better youth set ups than the top teams of the EPL, and have produced good players that have gone on to bigger clubs.To say England are pathetic did they not draw against Brazil and beat them this year,can't be that bad of a team.As an Everton fan i'm sorry to see David Moyes go but they have got one of the best coaches in the game(started his coaching badges at 22 and was still playing at nearly 40) in my view.First season and Kagawa wins a premier league medal and more medals and silverware to come i think. Damn that crappy EPL and english leagues you will not win anything there.
hoserfella
Ozken - Japan has nothing but a production line of number 10's to sit on your bench in return for gobs of Japanese sponsorship yen.
OzKen
What players? Where are they? If there are any out there they get picked up by the bigger clubs and get stuck behind a quagmire of foreign talent and never amount to anything. I'm sorry but I disagree with you, and the evidence is in the results of the national teams in proper competition, not some meaningless friendly where 8 changes are allowed at halftime.
Look, the EPL is great to watch but it clearly lags behind Germany and Spain. Man Utd have shown they aren't even on the same level the way they have been destroyed in the Champions League the last few years. And private and foreign ownership is destroying the fabric of the game over there, has done for years. Have a look at sorry West Ham for instance - once a production line of talent to the national team now specialist hoof ball merchants. Fascinating subject and I could go on...
Liam Roberts
OzKen England in there last 20 games in competitions have lost only twice plus 13 friendlies also lost twice not a bad record for anyone don't you think.As for private or foreign ownership ruining the English game that is happening everywhere not just the EPL ,any team that you support you would want the best players at your club.As of the production line of talent coming through not many teams around the world not just England are producing more world class players than each other,you would agree they are few and far between for anyone
stephen424
"Incase you didn't know, J2 is the second tier of the J League, where 2 two teams, go up to the creme of J soccer , J 1. A few more geriatric goals like this and Kazu could be kicking it off with the best domestic Japan has to offer"
The best scorer in League one is only an average in Premier League.