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© 2022 AFPPremier League clubs to stop taking knee before every match
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TokyoJoe
Great, I'm glad it worked and racism is over.
tooheysnew
Good !
People are sick of being told what we should or shouldn’t care about.
I’m against animal cruelty, so how about the players get down on all fours to support this cause
Yrral
Too,their are black people taking an active step against racism,by bringing racist to justice
Yrral
This is not really about minorities in general,it about players, having to endure racist taunt such as bananas,thrown at them,no American athlete will ever racist taunt, without some immediate response
painkiller
But sections of the crowd at England games booed the players when they took the knee, prompting an angry response from the national team manager Gareth Southgate.
As opposed to the players trying to make some statement during a sport, the league should more powerfully enforce its policy against racist taunts and the like from the many fans that attend these events. Racism is deeply embedded in UK culture and this should not be tolerated anywhere.
painkiller
RedstormToday 12:16 pm JST
I can't comment on racism in the UK being an American, but you, as a Japanese can? You do see how silly that is, don't you?
Relevancy?
As I noted. You agree with me now then.
Oh, so all the players in the Premier League are English? And all the spectators are English?
Cricket is also a sport played in England, just to stay on your irrelevant point.
Wait--this article is about the premier league, which is English as you wrote above---but now you want to talk about the UK?
Jimizo
Yes, as it should.
I think the idea of observing it on specific days is better. Overdoing it can make it seem like a hollow gesture. We don’t want it at the level of continually making the sign of the cross, reciting pledges or singing silly anthems.
Just childish.
Anyway, let the best league of the greatest sport in the world begin.
Can’t wait. Best show in town.
painkiller
RedstormToday 12:43 pm JST
Never worked there but as Cardiff City and Swansea City are located in Wales, what does that do with your "premier league is English" argument?
wallace
Jimizo
Can’t wait. Best show in town.
Depends on which side of the park, wink! wink!
painkiller
Looking forward to Liverpool's continued success, which has been partially due to the American ownership of the team, which has been in place since 2010, as the team was in deep debt but the Fenway Sports Group has turned it around to make it one of the most valuable football teams in the world.
JohnSmith
The picture. Why isn't Emmanuel Dennis kneeling?
Marc Penn
painkiller:
‘Never worked there but as Cardiff City and Swansea City are located in Wales, what does that do with your "premier league is English" argument?’
They’re an anomaly.
England, Scotland, Wales all have their own Football Associations (all under the auspices of UEFA) governing football and overseeing leagues (all the way down to amateur, weekend, kids) in their respective countries, for clubs in their own countries. And the international bodies generally object to cross-border or ‘multi-national’ tournaments other than the ones they themselves organise. (Way back they rejected a tentative plan for a combined league in the Low Countries, or something like that).
But Wales is a small country and football was not necessarily the ‘first’ sport there, and their larger clubs - Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham, Newport (maybe I miss one) are exceptionally allowed to compete in the English league structure.
In conclusion The Premier League is the top English league - but sometimes one or more of those Welsh clubs compete in it. You can decide for yourself how that impacts your debate with Redstorm Today!
wallace
Guess you do not know the previous owners were also Americans and very bad for the club. George Gillett and Tom Hicks.
Forbes has put a valuation on Liverpool – $4.45 billion or £3.6 billion. But it is only worth that much if they decide to sell.
The success of a club like Liverpool is only possible because of the hundreds of people involved.
The Cymru Premier, known as the JD Cymru Premier for sponsorship reasons, is the national football league of Wales. It has both professional and semi-professional status clubs and is at the top of the Welsh football league system.
painkiller
Marc PennToday 01:41 pm JST
It is an English league, with zero requirement that any player for a team be English, and which has teams from Wales, and England--that is correct isn't it?
wallaceToday 02:00 pm JST
Guess you didn't read my comment thoroughly or you would have read the phrase which has been in place since 2010.
In other words, of course I knew--I also know you had to look it up in Wikipedia.
As I wrote, one of the most valuable football teams in the world.
As I wrote, Liverpool's continued success, which has been partially due to the American ownership of the team,
wallace
English Premier League clubs are required to have 8 English players in the squads of 25.
When it comes to Liverpool I don't need Wikipedia.
Chelsea was recently sold in a deal worth $5.25 billion (£4.25 billion).
Fenway has been great for our club and a new stand is under construction to increase the fan capacity to 61,000.
Guy-Gin
Honestly thought it was a decisive gesture that did not help the situation. I recall FIFA stopping the England players from wearing the poppies on the shirts in honour of the fallen soldiers. Something not quite right there….
Jimizo
Dunno. I remember Zaha didn’t kneel either.
Some here in the past seemed to think they knew why players kneeled or didn’t kneel. Maybe they researched why each individual player did what they did, but I doubt it.
It was usually the types who whined about virtue-signaling while virtue-signaling.
Types you ignore.
painkiller
wallaceToday 02:29 pm JST
Wrong.
No requirement for 8 English players.
Each club must have at least 8 "homegrown" players on their squad.
And those 8 do not have to be English by citizenship.
In simple terms--players can qualify as "homegrown" irrespective of nationality.
To make it easy, from Wiki:
Currently, to be classified as homegrown one must be on an English team for at least three years before the age of twenty-one
wallace
The homegrown rule states that a player must have played for three years before reaching 21 years and does not have to be English. No club can produce 8 homegrown players that way.
In practice, this means a club that does not have eight or more homegrown players is obliged to name a squad smaller than 25.
Brexit complicated the matter. Clubs can no longer sign players from the European Union under the age of 18.
With players needing to feature for an FA-affiliated club for at least three years before turning 21, this excludes many foreign players from homegrown status.
Last season Liverpool had seven homegrown players.
However, the potential sale of Sadio Mane to Bayern Munich should offset Nunez’s arrival, while Divock Origi’s departure has ensured that Liverpool is slated to have 16 non-homegrown players next season, one short of the upper limit.
A Premier League club is allowed to sign a maximum of 25 players in the squad. However, a team can sign as many U21 players as they want.
Out of the 25 players, there can be only 17 'non-home grown' senior players. So the rest eight must be 'home-grown' players if a team needs to fulfill the maximum quota of 25. A non-home-grown player can be of any nationality and age.
There are eight English players in Liverpool this season.
Homegrown players are; Joe Gomez, Jordan Henderson, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Caoimhin Kelleher, James Milner and Nat Phillips.
Gareth Myles
The debate has drifted away from the point. There is considerable cynicism in the UK that this change is neatly timed to avoid kneeling in Qatar, so that what was meant to be the expression of a political principle has been dumped for political expediency.
painkiller
wallaceToday 03:33 pm JST
Just to reiterate my point, in the Premier League, there is zero requirement that any player for a team be English.
That's 100% accurate, right?
TokyoJoe
The first country in the world to end slavery. You talk utter clap trap. There is no Racism embedded in the UK. Speak for your own country.
painkiller
TokyoJoeToday 07:48 pm JST
One of the biggest participants in slavery.
I'll let your fellow citizens speak for themselves:
Racism in the UK still rife, say majority of Britons
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/16/racism-in-the-uk-still-rife-say-majority-of-britons
itsonlyrocknroll
The kick it out campaign, has always lead the field, long before taking the knee.
Together We can Change It
https://www.kickitout.org/
Marc Penn
Painkiller:
’Just to reiterate my point, in the Premier League, there is zero requirement that any player for a team be English.’
Correct. The Homegrown Player rule is meant to encourage the development of more English players but as you say, there is zero requirement that they - or any of the players in a club’s squad - HAVE to be English.
Marc Penn
The UK is not perfect but:
’The World Values Survey is an international research program that studies "social, political, economic, religious and cultural values" including racial tolerance and racism. The WVS survey asks respondents from more than 80 countries….
The Top 10 Least Racist Countries in the World in 2021 - Best Countries Report
Netherlands
Canada
New Zealand
Sweden
Denmark
Finland
Switzerland
Norway
Belgium
Austria
Generally, the most tolerant countries in both studies were Scandinavian countries, Latin countries, and the United Kingdom and its former colonies (Australia, Canada, and New Zealand). In contrast, the least racially tolerant countries (Qatar, Serbia, Saudi Arabia, Sri Lanka) tended to be located in Africa and Asia. There were also outliers. For example, although other former U.K. colonies landed near the top of the list, the United States ranked 69th out of 78 countries in 2020…’
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/least-racist-countries
painkiller
Marc PennToday 10:39 pm JST
I was just surprised that some diehard fans were not aware of this,
Or, were not able to acknowledge it.
Mr Kipling
Redstorm...
I literally spat out my coffee on reading this. Thank you, you made my day with the funniest comment in weeks.
You were joking right?
painkiller
wallaceAug. 4 02:29 pm JST
Completely wrong. Although some might support such a nationalistic rule, thankfully it does not exist.
Since Liverpool is part of the Premier League, maybe consulting Wiki will provide you with the correct information.
wallace
The purpose of the Home Grown Rule was to encourage clubs to hire more English players but there is a loophole so it did not happen entirely. The majority of Home Grown players are British/English but not all.
Brexit has introduced new restrictions and no EU player can be signed under 18 years. There will be no new EU Home Grown players
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2137974-premier-league-home-grown-rules-explaining-epl-player-quotas
Except for Caoimhin Kelleher, who was born in Ireland the other Home Grown players in Liverpool FC are English born.
Homegrown players are; Joe Gomez, Jordan Henderson, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Caoimhin Kelleher, James Milner, and Nat Phillips.
EvilBuddha
I lived in the UK for many years and had no personal experience of racism or discrimination.
So that means there is no racism in the UK? Your personal experience does not mean that you can extrapolate it to everyone’s personal experience. I lived in UK for one year and faced more instances of racism (mostly subtle but some overt) than I faced in my 8 years in another Asian country which was not my homeland. Some of them were in the SGI-UK (since you are a Soka member).
Whatever be your personal experiences, those are just that, your experiences.
Mr Kipling
Mr Kipling
May I ask your race?
And do you have any disabilities? For example, blind or deaf?
EvilBuddha
Maybe folks who claim that there is no racism in the UK have never been addressed as ‘wogs’. Full form ‘Wily Oriental Gentleman’ who speak good English and think they can integrate with the white majority. All meant to be good natured British humour of course.
Or the P word which drunk English gentlemen throw at some Asians after having one too many at the local pub.
Of course, this article is about EPL but the recent incidents of racism in cricket in the UK are anyways well documented.
painkiller
EvilBuddhaToday 07:16 pm JST
Spot on.
RedstormToday 07:45 pm JST
EvilBudha
Basically you with your claim you never experienced racism in the UK. Obviously you could have pointed out you have either seen instances of it or had heard of it but did not experience it first hand; otherwise there was no reason for giving your personal "experience".
painkiller
RedstormToday 07:59 pm JST
Do you have a different claim?
But don't take my word. Read the article on which you are commenting and some others' views about racism related to the Premier League:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/10/football/football-racism-manchester-city-troy-townsend-fred-spt-intl/index.html
And the UK in general:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/16/racism-in-the-uk-still-rife-say-majority-of-britons
EvilBuddha
As far as personal experiences go, I have relatives in the US who have never faced racism from white people, but have faced racism from other Asian immigrants to the US.
I don’t claim that there is no racism in the US and there is in UK, but only that personal experiences are very subjective to draw conclusions.
Mr Kipling
Redstorm..
Thanks for the reply, I have been with Japanese in bars and restaurants in the UK. They didn't notice the discrimination and racism either. I did.