Public faces ¥1 bil annual maintenance bill for privatized National Stadium

Trebles all round!

If it is privatized it should cost nothing to government.

if it is only an operational management contract ( given to Dentsu ??? ) they will of course make government pay and collect the revenue. The usual.

cost for government and taxpayer income for private operators.

no surprise. The corruption and bribe culture continuous unabated

Socialize the cost. Privatize the profits. Grifting 101.

The Japanese public may continue paying up to around 1 billion yen in annual maintenance costs for Tokyo's National Stadium after its planned privatization, the Japan Sports Agency revealed Wednesday.

Thanks Super Mario Abenomics!

Privatization, synergy with business is supposed to result in savings to the public from all that red tape in theory right?

Just gives more opportunities for corruption in fact.

I wonder what percentage of global private company costs are picked up by unwitting others, such as current and future taxpayers. There must be a huge amount of profit that is simply bogus if true costs were paid by the producer or consumer and not displaced onto others. Maybe that is all a private company is: a device for making others pay your costs, and the more powerful and well connected, the more able you are to do so. In short, capitalism is mostly bogus too.

compared to an income of around 550 million yen.

Now there is a figure picked out of the sky if ever I saw one.

Sapporo, I hope you are paying attention.

Many of the components are made of wood. There's a reason no one else uses wood on such large structures - it's very expensive!, needing frequent maintenance and replacement.

Looks like we'll be paying that cost while some corporation profits.

Tokio's National Stadium looks absolutely great from above! Fantastic! But - and this is a very big but - the great oval roof sloping inwards does not look safe to me. Even with each and the every year, the one billion yen maintenance bill.

Not a professional architect, I merely use an intelligent layman's common sense to arrive at a logical conclusion. A typhoon wind which occurs quite often in Japan, blowing in at, say: +100mph from any direction will swiftly lift the raise outer rim of the great roof, to force it upwards to bring the great roof down inwards. The great metal roof which must weigh quite a few tons, has only outer supports, no inner supports whatsoever. If, during such a typhoon or hurricane, the Tokio National Stadium is unoccupied: Thank God! If there are twenty-five thousand or more spectators: OMG.

The good people of Japan deserved so much more than this awful Olympics.

Corrupt to the core, led by fossil Mori, stupid Abe in his ridiculously embarrassing Mario costume, and now that man in the sympathy wheelchair. Pathetic people.

Japan is now left with this eyesore of a stadium that they're going to have to pay for. Forever.

Zizi

You can be sure that Mr Bach is double plus furious how this has all unfolded. The tarnishing of the Olympics is dreadful and will never be forgotten.

The Japanese public may continue paying up to around 1 billion yen in annual maintenance costs for Tokyo's National Stadium after its planned privatization,

So, are foreign residents exempt from this?

once privatized why we need to pay for its "maintenance costs"?

crack or ice?

Japan is now left with this eyesore of a stadium that they're going to have to pay for. Forever.

Japan has'nt even paid for the designs of the original stadium, let alone the cost of the current eyesore. Japan does'nt pay.

For everything that went wrong with the Atlanta Olympics, and a lot did go wrong, at least they got the stadium right. They built the Olympic Stadium but still kept and used Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium (the Braves home stadium) through the Olympics. After the Olympics, the Olympic stadium was sold to the Braves and converted to their new home stadium - Turner Field - and the old stadium was torn down. The Braves used it for 20 years before building a new stadium in the suburbs but now the Olympic stadium / Turner field has been bought by Georgia State University and is used by their football team as well as for other events. So, almost 30 years of continuous occupancy and use and no debt to the city or state. Why they build the Tokyo Olympic Stadium without a permanent occupant in mind (Giants?) after the Games makes absolutely no sense to me. Hosting a world championship of some sort once every 4 ~ 6 years is not going to do it.

For everything that went wrong with the Atlanta Olympics, and a lot did go wrong, at least they got the stadium right. They built the Olympic Stadium but still kept and used Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium (the Braves home stadium) through the Olympics. After the Olympics, the Olympic stadium was sold to the Braves and converted to their new home stadium - Turner Field - and the old stadium was torn down. The Braves used it for 20 years before building a new stadium in the suburbs but now the Olympic stadium / Turner field has been bought by Georgia State University and is used by their football team as well as for other events. So, almost 30 years of continuous occupancy and use and no debt to the city or state. Why they build the Tokyo Olympic Stadium without a permanent occupant in mind (Giants?) after the Games makes absolutely no sense to me. Hosting a world championship of some sort once every 4 ~ 6 years is not going to do it.

This arrangement, has all the hallmarks of a toxic PFI (private finance initiative), a Public Private Partnership.

In essence, reality, the taxpayer has to do all the financial heavy lifting, so the independent private entity gains entitlement to public funds.

It is a mirage, an illusion, pretence of attempting to justify the construction of a white elephant, so the costs to the taxpayer will prop up, conceal a grievous error of judgment.

This was the plan all along. Most of the new facilities have no demand.

It’s probably cheaper to tear it down.

this is Abenomics

Public faces ¥1 bil annual maintenance bill

oooh.......fun

well hopefully the fools in charge have plans on how to rent out the facility year round.

we’re taking concerts, sporting events, international meetings, whatever it would take to bring in fund…………

wait, who are we kidding?

no one in the LDP is creative enough or actually does any work to bring in such ideas.

These Tokyo Olympic Games should be a brutal lesson reminder to every country that bids in the future.

The sporting ethos that supposedly, the Olympic games should promote sport, culture and education is secondary to the necessity to monetary leveraging of broadcasting and marketing rights, as well as the development of income streams,

It is time for a permanent agreed location, and guaranteed transparency of total Independence of outside vested interests.

ZorotoToday  08:35 am JST

They are right in that the only two sports that can fill such a large stadium is soccer and rugby.

Unfortunately, nether is the most popular sport in Japan, and the Japan team is mediocre in both. In other words, this stadium will never be full other than once every few years at most

I was at the national stadium for Japan all blacks in October which was sold out

San freece vs Cerzo Osaka which had 45,000 spectators in October and Tokyo fc vs Reysol which had 55,000 in August

So you are wrong about both soccer and Rugby not being popular in Japan and the stadium not being able to sell out

I have sat in the each tier and in both the main stand and behind goal stands

The view was fantastic each time, the steepness of the stands makes it feel like you are close to the action even with the running track. The atmosphere for the Levin cup final was amazing the roof holds in the atmosphere.

Access and amenities are excellent too

Now the stadium is going to used for more events and concerts the cost will come down remember it wasn't until October that the stadium was finally allowed to be full

Send the bill to Dentsu!

Wait...WHAT? How is the PUBLIC liable for a Private business??? Burn it down and build a tree filled park. That's what the public want.

This is Abenomics

Tokyo made its pitch as host city before Abe came to power.

What? Oh, what is there to maintain in Tokio's National Stadium? At one (1) million yen? Each and every Year? Soon maintainence costs will cost more than the cost of the stadium. And every year, 1 Million Yen will be spent. It will be a wise decision for Tokio to pull it apart and, build another Tokio National Stadium which will have no maintainence costs but, choose the right architect to do the job.

Yes.

and fire it into the Sun!!

blueToday 09:16 am JST

It’s probably cheaper to tear it down.

At one BILLION Yen each and every year!

I live in Massachusetts. Prior to Tokyo being decided on for 2020, Massachusetts won the US bid... that is until half of Massachusetts went bananas and told the Olympics to go pound sand. We'll never host a Games here, and I'm glad.

Nobody needs all that crap they build, and the working people get stuck with these bills. And the bills get bigger as the structures age and need more maintenance.

Ever been to Montreal? They have this hulk of a stadium there that they've been paying for ever since 1976. For what? So the local pee-wee soccer team has a place to practice.

I consider this all to be an argument for making permanent summer and winter venues with all countries chipping in on a sliding scale. But my opinion seems to be held by neither the Committee (who line their pockets on these bids), nor by these smaller countries who have an overwhelming urge for the rest of the world to take notice of them for three weeks.

Anyway, I hope it was worth it.

1.84 billion yen or $14 million.

1.1 billion yen in annual rent for the land on which the stadium is built.

Why was it built on land not owned by the public?

Like one of those placards held by a state funeral demonstrator said…..Abe is still costing his country loads of money.

Even if you remove the running track, can the seats be moved closer to the pitch? I doubt it. They should have built a proper (running-track-less) football stadium in the first place.

The current first row is around 10 meters high so an additional 10-15 rows in a shallow bowl over the running track is more than feasible

Of the hundreds of billions wasted on pork barrel roads and entertaining a measly billion a year on a world class stadium which will be used by more than 2 million people next year doesn't seem like a big concern in the wider picture of things

well hopefully the fools in charge have plans on how to rent out the facility year round.

Nothing permanent can be built in the stadium because the city wants to use the facility as an emergency shelter and staging ground for search and rescue operations when the next big earthquake happens. If you want to have the stadium generate revenue when not used for sports or entertainment, the modifications have to be on wheels or easily assembled and disassembled.

Maybe find a way to put a giant platform on the turf and:

a) use it as a public parking garage

b) a vertiport for flying cars and drones

c) an Amazon distribution center

d) modular public storage facility that can be quickly wheeled in and out

e) a combination of all of the above

5 j league games=250,000

3 soccer finals=150,000

3-5 soccer internationals = 150,00-250,000

3-5 rugb y top league= 100,0000

2/3 rugby internationals= 150,000

5-10 concerts 250,000-50,0000

Athletics events 100,0000

Numerous local corporate events 200,000

Not quite 2 million but quite close

Japan got railroaded when they dumped billions into the Olympics and COVID hit. Had the pandemic not had occur, much of the Olympic infrastructure would have created a ton of revenue to help pay for it and perhaps even a profit, but now they are in a deep hole for it.

You can be sure that Mr Bach is double plus furious how this has all unfolded. 

I’m sure he’s enduring many, many sleepless nights, tossing and turning with unfettered outrage.

/s

With the Tokyo metropolitan government and other parties owed around 1.1 billion yen in annual rent for the land on which the stadium is built,

Still living in the 1980s bubble?

Built on Rented land!

Only old people that still use fax machines, snail mail, are still building or buying houses ,etc...on rented land.

5 new house on my street 4 on property the house buyer owns 1 on leased land the 4 with land sold before even being built the one on leased land is built but still not sold, looks like for now they are going to rent until they maybe find a fool willing to pay ¥500,000 plus a land rental fee and in 30 years pay to remove the house.

So what is the actual deal?

Who owns the land?

What happens in 30 years when the lease is up is the Tokyo government responsible for knocking down and removing the stadium?

Why didn't they just buy/expropriate the land?

For anyone saying "concerts" etc., there is only so much demand for stadium events. The ones held already are valuable income for other stadia. Other stadia also have expertise in handling such events. If I were BTS's management, I would not want to play an untested stadium. I'd expect various problems to happen, some of which could damage the band's image.

Antiquesaving, you have answered your own question. Quite correctly right here.

*5 new house on my street 4 on property the house buyer owns 1 on leased land the 4 with land sold before even being built the one on leased land is built but still not sold, looks like for now they are going to rent until they maybe find a fool willing to pay ¥500,000 plus a land rental fee and in 30 years pay to remove the house.*

Now the Japan Sports Agency invited potential tenders to apply to operate the operate/ manage the stadium.

The J tax payer will finance the costs of 1 billion yen a year.

J Taxpayer will also will foot the bill of around 1.1 billion yen annually for the land lease fees to the Tokyo Metropolitan Government and others yet to be disclosed.

Since the IOC reaps most of the profits, it should share some of the burden.

You can be sure that Mr Bach is double plus furious

@steve

Oh you devil, you! :)

You mean 'very' or 'really' furious, surely.

It's made of wood, so it will burn nicely. Make a beautiful, green park in the area with low maintenance costs with a stone marker for future generations to understand the folly of the IOC.

not surprising

The National Stadium has been beset by budgetary problems since its inception ahead of the Tokyo Games