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S Korea rejects idea of sharing 2018 Winter Olympics with Japan

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Korean pride! Plain stupidity!

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It gives the impression that IOC wants to help Nagano, Japan (to generate some income), whose credit rating is downgraded by Moody's and other top credit rating companies.

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It gives the impression that IOC wants to help Nagano, Japan (to generate some income), whose credit rating is downgraded by Moody's and other top credit rating companies.

Where does it say that? Are we reading the same article...?

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Let them build their white elephants.

But if the bobsled/luge events were moved to Nagano that would be a substantial increase in cost to see those events for the SKoreans.

It's a tough call. I'll leave it up to them.

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Relocating the events to other destinations wouldn’t help save costs because Pyeongchang has already begun building

So were they informed before or after they started building the facility? What I'm reading from other articles is that they were informed AFTER they started building.

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Is this the IOC playing hardball after Pyeongchang complained about shouldering the burden of white elephant Olympics and trying to get more external funding?

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Sharing the competition with another city is not an option we can consider. The South Korean people would never accept it,

Yeah that whole "sharing" thing is never popular.

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Japan really don't need it. Just don't let SK crawling on their hands and knees asking for money like the last World Cup.

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simply speaking the facilities at nagano are world class and close and already available.

it makes sense to move the competition there.

but we already know south koreans are grudge holders and do not consider the spirit of the games.

Japan at least does.

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This is pretty simple. You get your turn, they get their turn.

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This is pretty simple. You get your turn, they get their turn.

Hold the next but one games in Saudi Arabia then. Camels will work as good as bobsleds.

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Let them carry the burden of the entire cost of the boondoggle games by themselves. Problem solved by avoiding it.

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Are you guys even aware that the IOC proposed that some of the 2020 Tokyo summer games venue also be shared with Seoul Korea who also have existing facilities which would save money for Japan's own white elephants? Japan didn't like that ideal either. Be aware, before you talk.

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Is this the IOC playing hardball after Pyeongchang complained about shouldering the burden of white elephant Olympics and trying to get more external funding?

External funding? Are you talking about they trying to get the Korean central government to chip in?

Japan really don't need it. Just don't let SK crawling on their hands and knees asking for money like the last World Cup.

That's an old Japanese right wing rumor that was never based on reality. SK doesn't need to crawl on their hands and knees asking for money (especially from bankrupt Japan) when SK is swimming in money currently. SK's account surplus will reach over $110 billion this year, over twice that of Japan (just like last year). They can waste some of that money to pay for the useless games.

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They can waste some of that money to pay for the useless games.

I've heard that SK hasn't repaid the money they borrowed from Japan for the World Cup.

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: External funding? Are you talking about they trying to get the Korean central government to chip in?

Yeah. But I think they were also trying to get IOC to lower costs.

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its annoying to see the comments of the apologists here! SK want to host it by themselves, so what is wrong with that? what if it's the other way around and Japan rejects South Korea to share the winter Olympucs? will you apologists say the same thing. Will Japan share winter/summer Olympics with other countries?

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Perhaps Tokyo, too would be willing to farm out some of the 2020 Olympic events to a more temperate country like Russia so that distance runners don't have to die in the humid, 40+ degree Tokyo heat. What's that? Hmm. Didn't think so.

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@SumoBob... I don't know what are you trying to say, but Japan never made any offer to do the winter Olympics with SK... it is a IOC proposition. So why you say,

What's that? Hmm. Didn't think so. is beyond me..

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@SumoBob We already had a war criminal olympics in Sochi. We don't need more.

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Daniel Neagari & Scipantheist

Ask yourselves, will Japan willing to share the 2020 Olympics with other cities? SK doesn't want to share the winter Olympics with other CITIES not just JAPAN. The media and the apologists would just like to put a spark between these 2 nations again. Of course as much as possible Countries would like to host these events themselves, and what is wrong with that?

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The title is a misleading attempt to cause friction with Japan. The article clearly talks about Korea's hope not to move the event to ANOTHER country. Japan is one of the options not the only country.

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I've heard that SK hasn't repaid the money they borrowed from Japan for the World Cup.

Yes I know that rumor that keeps going around and around in all the right wing sites. But think this through logically. If SK never paid back the supposed loan, that means they defaulted on international loan investment. Look at SK's solid sovereign credit rating, it's two steps higher than Japan's right now. Does that sound like SK defaulted on Japanese loan? Maybe there was no loan from the beginning, and the right wingers in Japan keep making up stuff? Don't believe everything you read in 2ch sites, or any of those anti-Korean books.

Yeah. But I think they were also trying to get IOC to lower costs.

Not sure what you mean. IOC doesn't host the events. It's the hosting city that incurs all the costs. Pyongchang's issue was lack of financial support from the South Korean central government to chip in and help out with the costs, because the city is basically al town with not enough tax base to cover for the huge costs. It had nothing to do with IOC, Japan, or anything else.

Perhaps Tokyo, too would be willing to farm out some of the 2020 Olympic events to a more temperate country like Russia so that distance runners don't have to die in the humid, 40+ degree Tokyo heat. What's that? Hmm. Didn't think so.

Japan was already unofficially asked by the IOC to share their summer games with Seoul. Guess what the answer will be? We don't have to think too hard here.

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2014/12/09/2014120901793.html

Now that the shoe is on the other foot, will the people here now support sharing of the 2020 summer games with Seoul?

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@noypikantoku

There is no reason to "ask myself" that question, because is not being the matter of this article. In no where I am stating that Japan may or may not accept to share the Olympics (if you may remember we did share the 2002 World Cup).

What I am stating is that the proposition is from IOC, not from Japan... so there should be no reason to say that "If Japan were in the opposite position... blah blah blah".

By the way there are people in Japan that are in favor of this idea as well as people that are not... aaand every thing in the middle too... Just like in South Korea (I think)

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By the way there are people in Japan that are in favor of this idea as well as people that are not... aaand every thing in the middle too... Just like in South Korea (I think)

The city of Pyongchang would be dead against it, because they're already 6 months into constructing those stadiums, it would be a financial waste if they were to stop now. The IOC should have proposed this before the hosts started their building constructions. For the IOC to propose this at this time, is completely baffling. You are basically asking the host city to stop all the constructions now, so that Nagano can host those events. As for South Koreans in general, I think most of them would be dead against it, if Korea loses some of the venues. But if Tokyo agrees to share the summer games, I can see that lot of Koreans would change their minds and will support it, because it's a tradeoff, not a total loss.

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@Daniel Neagari

"because is not being the matter of this article"

if its not being the matter of this article, then how come there is an article about this? if this is no big deal, then why is this in the news? unless the media or some people want to put malicious meanings for SK's decline about IOS' proposal.

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titaniumdioxide: "Korean pride! Plain stupidity!"

Actually, the stupidity is assuming that national pride is limited to South Koreans and is something negative, unlike in Japan, or the insecurity Japanese or Japanophiles feel in such circumstances to the level that they need to ridicule the decisions of others to try and make themselves feel better. That's you, my friend. But I bet if I asked you how you would feel about Tokyo sharing the 2020 Olympics with South Korea or China because, as you know, the JOC is having trouble dealing with the way-over-budget costs six years before the fact, you would simply not be able to answer the question at all, even though the question would be rhetorical.

So again, to suggest that the refusal by South Korea to 'share' the Olympics is some some or pride or 'stupidity' that only South Korea suffers is moronic, not to mention prejudicial and pure old hate mongering. With the new rules passed by the IOC the host nation can split up venues between cities, or in 'extreme cases' ask other countries to host them, but I'd be willing to bet NO nation would choose to do that right away, and all would be proud enough to try and keep it within their nation first and foremost. If South Korea wants to try and field everything on their own, despite the threat of not being able to finish construction due to costs, so be it. I say Japan doesn't need the additional burden all for a wee bit of the limelight. But for all those taking potshots at South Korea as a whole and suggesting this is just some characteristic knee-jerk reaction and insult said nation, I would again point out that Japan would react EXACTLY the same way, if not more vehemently, as would most other if not all nations once a single host was decided. In a bid? I can see two countries bidding to host it together if they have a slim chance alone.

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smithinjapan: Well Said!

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SK rejects idea...well, duh!

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@titaniumdi0xide "Korean pride! Plain stupidity!"..?

Hmm... the admonition about the mote in your brother's eye and the beam in your own comes to mind^^

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@noypikantoku

I am afraid what you are understanding from the article and what I am understanding from it differs a lot. To put it simple, I try to view this matter (and everything as a matter of fact) from a neutral point of view... I admit some times I tend to take sides being that side the one of my ancestry, but also from what I take to be common seance and logic (I know this also tend to vary from person to person). But ultimately I consciously try to view thing as neutral and detached as possible.... There are more times though I just want to troll.

As for you, in this case, you are viewing the matter from a aggressive and non compliant stand inclined to South Korea.... or you may also be trolling right now.

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Now that the shoe is on the other foot, will the people here now support sharing of the 2020 summer games with Seoul?

SK has a bad record of demanding sharing the World Cup which Japan had won as the sole host nation. SK lobbied FIFA intensively and It became co-host. A nightmare experience.

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Japan was already unofficially asked by the IOC to share their summer games with Seoul. Guess what the answer will be? We don't have to think too hard here.

Why do SK media come up with this wishful thinking BS? If Tokyo was to share, it meant other locations within Japan to shave the costs.

Like I said in the related article, Tokyo has the funds to host the Olympics which is collecting interest. This was completed early when they bid for the 2016 Summer Olynpics.

It's the stupidity of Korean pride (bid to host without the financial backing) and the incompetence of IOC to select them is the reason why this problem surfaced.

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KOREA MADE THE RIGHT DECISION !

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Why do SK media come up with this wishful thinking BS?

ha ha ha ha ha... wow.... just wow....

It's all over Japanese media that Japan don't like the ideal either.

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_news/sports/AJ201412100065

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I thought the idea of having the games was to bring the world together with a world class event like the Olympics, and leave all the politics at home. I guess that's not happening........ !

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Nothing doing! Nothing doing!  Remember 2002!! from jpn

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TS: Yeah. But I think they were also trying to get IOC to lower costs.

Papi2013: Not sure what you mean. IOC doesn't host the events. It's the hosting city that incurs all the costs.

I know IOC doesn't host the event. But it has a say in the costs. Try this: "But I think they were trying to get IOC to agree to lower the costs that Pyeongchang is incurring".

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Right action, SK. I bet none of Japan's neighbour countries would like to share this kind of events with Japan. What a pity!**

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I bet none of Japan's neighbour countries would like to share this kind of events with Japan.

What about the world cup I mentioned above? And this one also never came from Japan. Tokyo governor and JOC refused flatly.

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A nightmare experience.

The most horrible World Cup ever.

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That's an old Japanese right wing rumor that was never based on reality. SK doesn't need to crawl on their hands and knees asking for money (especially from bankrupt Japan) when SK is swimming in money currently.

Nope SK still owes Japan 645 billion yen as of 2012 out of the original 8 billion dollars US which was lend to SK after the Asian economy went under in 2001 through the Miyazawa initiative. SK used some of this money to fund stadium building for the 2002 World Cup.

http://www.mof.go.jp/international_policy/financial_cooperation_in_asia/asian_currency_crisis/new_miyazawa_initiative/1e041a.htm

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I remember when Korea and Japan were on better terms and hosted the world cup. With the current political conditions each country would ask for their own village, head stadium, and flame. Ultimately pride will get in the way. But it really would have been interesting to see a two nation olympics (Fukuoka-Busan, San Diego-Tijuana)

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