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Sapporo hopes Tokyo Games success will boost 2030 Winter Olympic bid

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What a roaring success it has been....

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Sapporo hopes Tokyo Games success will boost 2030 Winter Olympic bid

Japanese tax payer will be very happy about this.

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Total mental illness is the only explanation as to why anyone would look at the financial and social mess the Tokyo Olympics have been and say " yes we would like to do the same".

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A 65-year-old social studies teacher who was visiting from Tokyo said he was determined to catch a glimpse of the action. "You can't watch anything in Tokyo, so that's why I took a few days off work to come here."

Realize, this "social studies teacher" is entrusted to educate Japan's youth on social behavior.

And the government wonders why "young people" people are ignoring them...

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Aahh, a teacher who travelled all the way from Tokyo to Sapporo to catch the action, not to mention all the press/media and other entourage who will also be making the trek. Get ready to joint the delta spike Sapporo.

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Let the haters bark !!..

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Maybe we can still let this one slide because we already hosting it at this point. But there is no way in heaven we will accept another freaking olympic event here in Japan. You have to be very high on drugs to be still willing to host another one.

One way to permantly stop this nonsense is to convince all big companies not to sponsor any future event and the public not giving any donations anymore.

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KentarogaijinToday  07:02 am JST

Let the haters bark !!

Its called Commonsense: woof woof woof.

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Success? Really?

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And that right there is why it's spreading a lot now. Ignore all the damn Olympic staff coming in; you've got a 65 year old that should know better, travelling to Sapporo to watch someone walk. Essential outings, remember that idea?

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Let the people of Sapporo decide if they want to waste billions of yen on a two week international sport event or spend it on projects that would actually improve their lives. I'm guessing most will reject the multicolored rings.

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"To be honest, some of that skepticism seems to have subsided after seeing Japanese athletes do so well.

Selective newswatching/reading, I guess. Did they not catch the explosion in infection cases?

I didn't see Sapporo / Hokkaido as that rich a place in Japan, but they seem to have 3-4 trillions lying around begging to be used. Maybe I should consider moving there/

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Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooppooooooooo

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you've got a 65 year old that should know better, travelling to Sapporo to watch someone walk.

And to do so, this man took off work from his job as a school teacher.

Perhaps he should just take a permanent vacation.

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Tokyo games success? Somebody explain please!

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After being swindled to host the 2020 Olympics, you want another round of it?

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And the government wonders why "young people" people are ignoring them...

All the ones I talk to have been watching the Olympics...

Get ready to joint the delta spike Sapporo

Jeez.. you ppl never let it go. That's why most ppl leave the keyboard-mashers to it these days. What a bleak world you all hope for...

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Total mental illness is the only explanation as to why anyone would look at the financial and social mess the Tokyo Olympics have been and say " yes we would like to do the same".

Let me throw this out here. If anyone's read "Dogs and Demons" by Alex Kerr, he mentions a characteristic of the Japanese: being able to "narrow their focus", so they will see a picturesque bridge but somehow miss the tons of concrete and power lines surrounding it.

Could be that Sapporo's doing something similar: envisioning tourists and glory, and overlooking the fact that 2030 is not even ten years after Japan held an Olympics which featured several high profile resignations and withdrawals due to, inter alia, verbal gaffes, admissions of horrendous bullying, and holocaust jokes, as well as representing absolute and spineless submission to the IOC.

Sapporo will be like "yeah, but apart from that...."

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5000 cases found a day worth of success, and climbing.

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Of course they will get it, like Brisbane no other Cities want it.

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sounds like Japan is smoking high delusional and greedy as hell.

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You might not like the Olympics but that's not a reason to use them as a scapegoat for covid.

The sharp increase in cases has nothing to do with the Olympics. The vast majority of those who have come are fully inoculated. The cause of the spike is due to Japanese people not being vaccinated.

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Below is the first paragraph in the above article.

The northern Japanese city of Sapporo was chosen as a haven from Tokyo's punishing heat and humidity for the Olympic marathon and race walking events, giving it an opportunity to promote its bid to host the 2030 Winter Games.

Um, yesterday in Sapporo it was 32 degrees and who knows what the heat index was. 35? 36?

I intentionally watched the walking event because there was so much noise about moving it up to sapporo a few years ago because of the supposed cooler temps. Nah, those guys probably lost about 5 kilos in water weight. They looked absolutely miserable.

And I knew this was going to happen because I've been to sapporo/hokkaido several times in the summer and truthfully, it's really not cool temperature wise. It's actually quite hot and humid. But realistic peoole know this.

Anyway, all that aside, I feel sorry for the folks in sapporo who will now be taxed to death and also us people who dwell in japan because we also will be taxed again for the burden of hosting these games.

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Selective newswatching/reading, I guess. Did they not catch the explosion in infection cases?

Olympic haters jump on any opportunity to blame the Olympics for an increase in infections

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Olympic haters jump on any opportunity to blame the Olympics for an increase in infections

Not necessarily. I'm an Olympic hater par excellence, but I'll acknowledge that the recent increase is mainly due to governmental incompetence in getting the vaccinations out, and large swathes of Japanese society paying absolutely no attention to the continual series of states of emergency, quasi or otherwise.

I doubt the Olympics are entirely blameless, but I'm not going to lay the blame 100 per cent on them.

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Even if you are drowning in debt One billion USD for one gold medal, might seem like cheap if you have a printing press running round the clock. Just like a drunk thinking another bottle won't make him any more drunk. By the way, Sapporo won't be shouldering the entire bill the central government will and in effect you and I will be paying for it.

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You have got to be joking. After all the crap the IOC put Japan through, why would anyone in Japan ever want to host another Olympics?

Then again, this is the same country that will most likely vote in the LDP again this fall. Japan, please learn from your mistakes.

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The country that never learns.

Yup, might as well do it.

Make more of your tax payers angry.

Why not?

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If you're a big famous international city Like Tokyo, Paris or LA, hosting the Olympics is a stupid waste of money because the whole world already knows you exist. But, as a resident of Sapporo, I believe that in this particular case hosting the games would be beneficial, as not many people around the world have heard of Sapporo and/or Hokkaido. It would put us firmly on the map for a generation of winter sports enthusiasts, boosting tourism for years to come.

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You might not like the Olympics but that's not a reason to use them as a scapegoat for covid.

The sharp increase in cases has nothing to do with the Olympics.

I don't think anyone is pushing the idea that the virus is being brought in by the athletes. Go back and read the part about the guy who traveled from Tokyo to Sapporo to watch an event and multiply that by a few hundred thousand, that is the cause of the virus spike. The sheer number of people put in motion by the Olympic event spreads the virus. Athletes, volunteers, contractors, drives, support staff, VIPs, etc. etc. and the list goes on. I read an article yesterday how Symone Biles hired a private gym and hour away from the O village to practice, along with her coaches, medical personnel and staff.

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Sure! Because trillions more in debt and many years of subservience to an unelected quasi-state is EXACTLY what this country needs.....

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Let me throw this out here. If anyone's read "Dogs and Demons" by Alex Kerr, he mentions a characteristic of the Japanese: being able to "narrow their focus", so they will see a picturesque bridge but somehow miss the tons of concrete and power lines surrounding it.

I read that book and LOVED it because it was so spot on!

In addition to the unique japanese obsessivness about zoning in on one singular minute thing, I strongly believe that the japanese use the olympics as a kind of economic primer. They know it has no long lasting effect. They know know that in order to move the economy they must build infrastructure just like in Kerr's book. Bridges to nowhere.

They know their natural economy stinks. It can't survive on it's own so they intentionally add band aide solutions to prime their economy. Kind of like CPR or life support. They add something in the hopes of of keeping the old thing living for a bit longer.

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I read that book and LOVED it because it was so spot on!

He wrote it in 2001. It would be fascinating if he wrote an updated version, looking back on the original book and seeing where Japan is now compared to where it was then.

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Drop it or wait until the IOC rushes to beg for hosting (of course in much good terms for Sapporo/Japan).

In realty the bid will be very unlikely to succeed as the two Winter Games have already been organized in the Asian region in a row (Pyongchang and Beijing).

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When I read the article I originally thought it was a vintage article from 1964…..

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Glutton for punishment as tax-payers will have to lose even more money. Yeah, go for it.

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Let the people of Sapporo decide 

It is not the people in the host city that decide to host the Games. It is rich elites who benefit the most. The "people" are merely spoonfed nonsensically low-budget projections, stadium plans, environmental studies etc. that quickly end up in the garbage.

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One thing's for sure, the next Olympics contract will have a "pandemic cancellation" clause well detailed into it.

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Sapporo hopes Tokyo Games success will boost 2030 Winter Olympic bid" Should be easy for Sapporo to get it...after Tokyo,s true costs are understood no city in a developed world will bid for it.

"Let the people of Sapporo decide if they want to waste billions of yen on a two week international sport event or spend it on projects that would actually improve their lives.." I agree with you..but as usual the decision here will be pushed by political oyajis with vested interests for the benefit of construction companies that their cronies and relatives run. TIJ LDP style.

Let the haters bark !!.." Let the trolls cast their baits....

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Hokkaido has no bobsleigh track and no ski resort with a vertical drop big enough for an Olympic downhill. The facilities cost will be huge.

This is what happened to the last bobsleigh track built in Japan. It is not closed off and you can walk in if you want to do some urb-ex/haikyo viewing. Coincidentally, it is located on a road that spirals into the sky past a dam that was never built as planned.

https://www.jiji.com/jc/v2?id=201707tolypre3_11

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He wrote it in 2001. It would be fascinating if he wrote an updated version,

Actually, Alex Kerr did write an "updated" version of Dogs and Demons in a way.

The original printing has several parts which are not included in later re-printings. He apparently omitted things which were actually not factual and/or made him look bad, such as his involvement with the "Chiori Project" in Shikoku as well as the neighbors he was "helping" there. I visited the Chiori house once years ago and the staff there gave me their input on the man, and it wasn't as flattering as he would probably enjoy, and apparently the neighbors he described in the book all despise him.

The "project" has now morphed into a government subsidized NPO that does little good for the area except act as a high-priced guest house operating in its own bubble (all the old "project" stuff involving revitalizing the village and helping the local people... the stuff which helped it earn the NPO status... is now gone). Its now just a place where taxpayer funds are funneled into his private hands by way of nice-sounding buzz words with little beneficial substance behind it all.... exactly the type of stuff he ranted against in his book.

So take whatever he wrote about the horrors of Japan (in whatever version you read) with a few grains of salt.

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as not many people around the world have heard of Sapporo and/or Hokkaido. It would put us firmly on the map for a generation of winter sports enthusiasts, boosting tourism for years to come.

Anyone interested in winter sports probably knows about the 1972 Winter Olympics held in Sapporo and the Nagano Winter Olympics. Australians use both during their summer.

A wiser and cheaper move would be for those companies related to winter sports to advertise over a long term the benefits and pleasures of Sapporo. Much cheaper.

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Hokkaido has no bobsleigh track and no ski resort with a vertical drop big enough for an Olympic downhill. The facilities cost will be huge.

They can do like last time in 1972 and do it on Eniwadake but yeah the costs would be huge. Every time I hike the mountain I still wonder how in the world they did it back then. Even back then the costs must have been huge to do it there because there is nothing there. No facilities whatsoever.

Same for the Teine bobsleigh track, which you can still see the ruins of. I guess they could rebuild that one.

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Just be on the look-out for an increase in size of the Dentsu Hokkaido branch office, and extra orders for brown envelopes in Sapporo stationery shops. That will tell you that they are serious about hosting the event.

However, the taint of the corruption from the Tokyo 2020 bid, and the behaviour of the IOC will take a few years to be forgotten.

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Sapporo ---great sense of humor!

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Oh Yes, It was a Total success, Ask all the businesses that made a nice profit what they think

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The headline alone is a prime example of doublespeak.

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The Winter Olympics is not such a big event. I imagine that a city like Sapporo has the required infrastructure already.

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I'm sure they will come up with some fantasy plan that constructs all the required facilities on a tiny budget and in a manner that fulfills every SDG, the corporate ecowashing phrase of the day. It'll also mention the Hokkaido Shinkansen and throw in some BS about Tohoku which that train line passes through.

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Another bid for the Olympics after wasting billions. Doesn’t anyone ever learn?

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But some residents expressed worries that the Olympics could trigger a fresh surge in infections.

"A lot of us have been worried about holding the marathon and race walking here," said Manabu Kuwahara, 49, who works at a building materials firm in central Sapporo.

"To be honest, some of that skepticism seems to have subsided after seeing Japanese athletes do so well. But a lot of people will be coming here from outside of Hokkaido for the Olympics, and I'm worried the situation will worsen again."

How arrogant and ignorant at this point. The Olympics needs protection from Japan not the other way around. Stay away!

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What "success" is that?

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For the last olympics in Sapporo, they actually created a ski area on a mountain and immediately dismantled it once the event was open.

The incredible story can be found here

https://www.snowjapanhistory.com/hokkaido-chitose-1972-sapporo-winter-olympics-mt-eniwa-downhill-courses

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WHAT? They want to do this again? Insanity.

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Another bid for the Olympics after wasting billions. Doesn’t anyone ever learn?

Yes the politicians, old business leaders learned very well, they can make a fortune and pass the cost on to the tax payers without any consequences and the world will go along with it.

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Just don't. It's not worth it - again.

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Another bid for the Olympics after wasting billions. Doesn’t anyone ever learn?

We are talking about the japanese, so um, no.

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They have learned NOTHING from the 2020 ones and they want to do it all over again!!! WOW just WOW, I am speechless!!! What a bunch of AHs...

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I was just saying they'll try to foister another circus on us the other day. Didn't have to wait long.

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So... another US$20 Billion? (I'm lowering the amount because the winter games are generally not as expensive as the summer games.)

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Is this what they call throwing good money after bad? Or maybe they think that the Tokyo games have damaged Japan's reputation - let's face it, they certainly haven't improved Japan's reputation - and that it's down to Sapporo to fix the damage?

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I'm in!

Give me an up vote if you support the bid!!

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MatToday  07:12 am JST

And that right there is why it's spreading a lot now. Ignore all the damn Olympic staff coming in; you've got a 65 year old that should know better, travelling to Sapporo to watch someone walk. Essential outings, remember that idea?

Yes, this 65 year old is the reason. Definitely not the 7 million crammed into trains every day, right? Right?

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They just don't learn, do they?

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@Droll Quarry

"The sheer number of people put in motion by the Olympic event spreads the virus. Athletes, volunteers, contractors, drives, support staff, VIPs, etc."

With respect, you fail to see the forest for the trees. That line of reasoning would only make sense if everyone else in the Kanto region - or Japan for that matter - was isolated at home. You seem not to be taking into account the millions of commuters travelling everyday in the cities' crowded rail networks, shopping, dining, going to school etc. They're the ones spreading the virus.

Simone Biles and her fully vaccinated entourage renting a gym is inconsequential in the context of the millions of displacements taking place everyday.

In philosophy this is what we call a 'false cause' logical fallacy.

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I was looking forward to reliving that experience but the current situation won't allow it. I'm sure there will be other people who want to watch too

Retired by 2024 I assume, what is keeping him from using some of that cushy pension Tokyo teachers get and flying out to the Paris Games or L.A. in 2028?

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What games success are they talking about? Oh, yes, right, the medal count, since that's all that counts.

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God no. It's one of the greatest places I love in all of Japan.

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Why?

and J-Gov. will be like: b, better have my money! Yeah, real pleasure to be the taxpayer in Japan.

Fukushima will be clean and safe when?

And also pension are going to remain for everyone and same amount. Right?...well, we know "wrong"...

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