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From Cobra Kai to Chuck Norris, karate is known around the world 

Chuck Norris was a Tang Soo Do practioner; basically Tae kwon do.

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Kata can be interesting, especially if they choose one of the lesser known katas, but most kumite is incredibly boring: two risk-averse fighters launching reverse punches at pretty much the same time and seeing who lands first. Zzzz.

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Kata is dancing, looking forward to kumite.

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There are way too many events at the Olympics, the door needs to close before you need a whole month to get through everything. Is riding a bmx a sport? Beach volleyball? Imo they are not, but one gold at those events is the equal to a 100m gold. Karate should be included as it is a sport, much more than bmx or skateboarding.. osu!

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Both will rock the world. Watch Out for Kiyona Ryo who, once he showcases his power, speed, techniques and samurai features to the world will become a national and international superstar. The power of the Olympics.

Karate has always been a ‘for defense’ art so boxing it ain’t, but watch out for the chess like strategies, timing, distance and micro balks in the kumite events. Blink and you’ll miss it so you have to pay attention!

Best thing is it’s a fight but the aim isn’t to injure your opponent ( not an easy thing when full speed punches and kicks are flying ) and the best thing is no country nor region dominates, these athletes hail from every corner of the world. Enjoy the spectacle. Was a real shame France pulled out without even seeing how the first Olympics for karate went.

Hoping back in by Brisbane 2032.

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I love it and will be watching all the Karate... Cant wait.

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"Just like how Judo was extended with all kinds of opportunity for extra medal."

You mean, just like break-dance, BMX race(s) and all the rest of Mickey Mouse sports being added?

I would like to see frog eating races being added so that France can shine in the next Olympics too.

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In Japan -- birthplace of the high-kicking, hard-punching martial art

Well that's an outright falsehood: 唐手 originally came from China( as in「唐」Tang dynasty), Japan just changed the kanji to 空て to appease itself, laying claim to its invention.

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空手...

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I thought karate came from China?

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A snippet from Wikipedia:

Sino-Japanese relations have never been very good and especially at the time of the Japanese invasion of Manchuria, referring to the Chinese origins of karate was considered politically incorrect

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I was told that the origins of Karate came from India to China to Okinawa.....

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Actually the origin is Okinawa, which is neither Chinese nor Japanese. Of course Chinese techniques, like many other things of the time were blended, but it was purely Okinawa and referred to by the area practiced such as Tomari-te, Shuri-te, etc. Karate (唐手) came when some Okinawa masters began to spread karate to mainland Japan. By that time not only had the original Okinawa-te blended many Chinese techniques but it had also absorbed a lot of Japanese ritual leading to the change of the first kanji from 唐 to 空. However the origin is still very Okinawan and, in reality, neither Japanese nor Chinese, though both try to claim it!

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John Noun

I thought karate came from China?

Modern Karate has spread to the world from Japan. Japan is the origin of the modern Karate (type of uniform, colored belts, Kata styles, etc). This martial art came to Japan from Okinawa (Ryukyu Kingdom), as this article says, in early 20th century after Okinawa was annexed to Japan. It originally came to Okinawa from China perhaps at the end of 14th century.

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For all the people asking about where karate's "roots" are from, here's an interesting quote from Patrick McCarthy, who I can guarantee knows more about it than everyone on this board combined and multiplied by a thousand.

" In studying the pre-history of Karate I discovered that China [i.e. Fujian Province] and SE Asia [Siam/Thailand] were the original sources from which much of Okinawa's old-school fighting arts [defined here www.koryu-uchinadi.com/original_five_fighting_arts.htm] came".

(source: https://theshotokanway.co.uk/An-Interview-with-Patrick-McCarthy/)

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When are we going to get kung-fu in the Olympics?

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Karate as we know it is NOT from China.

Karate, white Gi, belt coulourings, kata names, Kumite, i.e. the whole system is JAPANESE.

Some roots in China (by such logic) Kung-Fu is from India), then Okinawa (where they had To-De) is not what Karate mutated to.

Btw, I am a Karateka.

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When are we going to get kung-fu in the Olympics?

Doubt we ever will. Kung-fu is a blanket term covering an absolutely vast range of arts.

If it ever does make it to the Olympics, it will be in the modern form of Wushu, which is easily the most made-for-television form of it: very acrobatic and flashy (and looked down on by certain other styles who think that it's totally useless for actual fighting).

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Peeping_TomToday  09:04 pm JST

Karate as we know it is NOT from China.

But it's birthplace IS China; Not, as the article suggests, Japan. It developed in Japan into what it is today.

Btw, I am a Karateka.

Well that wouldn't influence a person's opinion at all now, would it.

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Is riding a bmx a sport? Beach volleyball? Imo they are not

Very much so. They both require high levels of skill, strength, and athleticism. What part of them looks unsporty to you?

If shooting guns is a sport then you could put a medal on almost anything.

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Commodore PerryToday  03:02 pm JST

From Cobra Kai to Chuck Norris, karate is known around the world 

Chuck Norris was a Tang Soo Do practioner; basically Tae kwon do.

Tang Soo Do is written in Hanja as 唐手道, read Karate Do in Japanese, before it was changed to 空手道.

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@Commodore Perry

Chuck Norris was a Tang Soo Do practioner; basically Tae kwon do.

Indeed, the whole Cobra Kai is Tang Soo Do. Every member of Cobra Kai dojo, Johnny Lawrence, John Kreese, and Terry Silver are Tang Soo Do practitioners.

https://thekaratekid.fandom.com/wiki/Kim_Sun-Yung

@pukey2

When are we going to get kung-fu in the Olympics?

The next time China hosts a summer Olympic game. Then Chinese can add Wushu as an additional sport as it pleases.

Becoming one of 25 core sport is entirely different matter. To be a core sport, one existing one has to be removed to make room for a new core sport.

And IOC won't add "similar" sport to an existing one. So long as Tae Kwon Do remains a core sport, there is no room for Karate ever becoming a core sport now. and Tae Kwon Do is now politically very popular at IOC thanks to Korea's medal distribution engineering, Karate's chance of replacing Tae Kwon Do is gone now.

Wushu's chance is somewhat better because it can be marketed as an acrobatic sport, dropping Sanda portion.

@Some dude

Doubt we ever will. Kung-fu is a blanket term covering an absolutely vast range of arts.

There is actually a standardized form called Wushu competed at Asian Games every four year.

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"But it's birthplace IS China"

NO!

It's rooted in China. Just like Kung-Fu has roots and originated in India.

And other South-Eastern influences.

Such roots came to Okinawa and intermingled with To-De.

To-De come to mainland, suffers changes and influences from Japanese Budo.

Karate (as known today) is born in Japan.

"Well that wouldn't influence a person's opinion at all now, would it."

By being an athlete I also have a keen interest in reading about the art; and I read a lot I can guarantee you.

You are not saying that Japanese language and Chinese (i.e. Mandarin/Cantonese) are one and the same are you?

After all Japanese use Kanji which is from China.

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You mean, just like break-dance, BMX race(s) and all the rest of Mickey Mouse sports being added?

Don’t forget rock climbing

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Peeping_TomToday  09:38 pm JST

"But it's birthplace IS China"

NO!

birthplace

/ˈbəːθpleɪs/

noun

the place where something started or originated.

So, yes, karate did indeed originate, in whatever form, in China.

Peeping_TomToday  09:38 pm JST

You are not saying that Japanese language and Chinese (i.e. Mandarin/Cantonese) are one and the same are you?

If only they gave gold medals for wild extrapolation...

By being an athlete I also have a keen interest in reading about the art; and I read a lot I can guarantee you.

To quote John Lydon in 'Rise'; "The written word is a lie." Ryuichi Sakamoto played on that

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...Maybe that makes it a Japanese song. I'm just speculating, of course.

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Uekusa's accusasion toward Kagawa shihan are only BS.

There is a lot of evidences that she wasn't injured during the training but nobody mention this in newspaper and Kagawa shihan had to resigned from japanese federation.

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"the place where something started or originated.

So, yes, karate did indeed originate, in whatever form, in China."

Applying your logic:

"the place where something started or originated.

So, yes, karate did indeed originate, in whatever form, in India."

It's India then. It reached China from India.

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Karate is basically like an artistic dance form .....better to have Thai boxing or muay Thai at the olympics

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Doing Karate myself, but I am not sure it is a good Olympic sport. They have boxing and Tae kwon do already, so not sure another striking art is needed. Also, for non-Karate practitioners, neither kata nor point-sparring make much sense. If they had chosen Kyokushin style, the general public would have an easier time to understand it. But it would probably not be a hit, as the matches look pretty weird.

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Jessie Lee

Karate is basically like an artistic dance form .....better to have Thai boxing or muay Thai at the olympics

Err.... Thai boxing IS Muay Thai. What does the "or" refer to?

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WilliB,

You sound like an English white belt, so I will help you once...."or" means "namely" or "in other words", now get down and give me 50. Teaching moment over!

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Karate is Japanese.

China has Crane style, Snake style, drunken style and other Kung fu styles with little merit.

Mainland China never gave Karate the time and respect it deserves even if you are correct about it's origins.

Karate is Japanese like the air you breathe. Like NFL for USA and Soccer\football for Europe.

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Reasonand

Karate is Japanese.

China has Crane style, Snake style, drunken style and other Kung fu styles with little merit.

Err, Karate has many styles too. But yes I agree, it is an Okinawan traditional martial art that was formalized in Japan.

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WilliB,

You sound like an English white belt, so I will help you once...."or" means "namely" or "in other words"

Im a native English speaker. To me, your wording is ambiguous, so while your example can mean what you say in the quote above, the preceding structure of the sentence sets up the expectation that the ‘or’ is a delineator between a a list of options of sports to be considered for Olympic inclusion, rather than providing an alternate name for Thai Boxing. Ambiguity would be removed by using ‘in other words’, ‘aka’ or something along those lines.

In other words, I read it the same way as Willi.

Disclaimer: I’m an English white belt.

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Kumite is a very fast, occasionally painful game of tag. As practiced at these games, it’s about as far from actual combat as one can get.

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GdTokyo

Kumite is a very fast, occasionally painful game of tag. As practiced at these games, it’s about as far from actual combat as one can get.

"As far as one can get?" I do not think so. By the same token, you could also argue that Kyokushin-style knockdown Karate is "as far as one can get", since in a real-life conflagration punches to the head is the first thing that occur. In all martial arts, the way sparring looks is affected by the rules, that is an unescapable fact.

Note that a number of UFC competitors started with point-sparring, such as Wonderboy Thompson and Lion Machida.

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