Transgender weightlifter Hubbard's presence in Tokyo unfair: rival

This transgender thing is just ridiculous. Should not be allowed anywhere.

I agree. Trying to compare a human who was born with male musculature and bone structure, and grew up with that, as being an equal competitor to women is only half-way to saying that men should be able to compete as women. There is a reason we separate sport by gender - if we didn't, there would be no women's sport, as there are very few sports where women can compete on any kind of level playing field to men. Now suddenly, we should ignore these physiological differences when the person transitions?

All things end up finding a balance, I believe at this time officials are taking a too lax approach to compensate for all the time where repression was the norm, eventually this also will end a a proper fair competition will be restored.

I'm very much in favour of protecting our trans brothers and sisters from discrimination, but the IOC is making a grave mistake here.

The fact that Ms. Hubbard is able to compete at a high level at the age of 43 tells you everything you need to know about the strength advantages of being born a man - she'll very likely be the only 40-something in the tournament. This is not because she is an athlete of extreme dedication and longevity, it's because she has a clear an obvious advantage over her competition.

The worst thing about this is it WILL cause negative feelings towards trans people, and will distract from the very real discrimination that trans people suffer by pitting them against women who otherwise might be allies.

Which will never happen, only Trump had the courage to publicly take that stance.

No, you'll find that there are lots of people who are pro-trans-rights but don't agree with letting trans-women compete with cis-women. I'm one. The poster above is another.

cis-women, cis-men...

In my book, the word is "heterosexual".

Please don't make up words to represent those of us who aren't LGBTQI (feel free to add), etc.

I’m all for trans inclusion but this really is totally unfair.

Reminds me of that South Park episode where this trans woman with a beard competes in a strong woman competition and crushes the competition. And then the tv commentators were like: “yes apparently she started identifying as a woman last week.” Lol.

GO HUBBSY!!

In my book, the word is "heterosexual".

Heterosexual is in regards to one's sexual preference. We're talking about gender here. Hard to have a discussion on the issue when you apparently don't even understand the basics.

Heterosexual is in regards to one's sexual preference. We're talking about gender here. Hard to have a discussion on the issue when you apparently don't even understand the basics.

My bad. "Normal-man", then.

When the former Olympic champion now called Caitlyn Jenner a transgender is saying it is unfair to born females to let born males compete as women, you know that this person knows what they are talking about on the subject.

Jenner knows full well the strength difference between a transgender and born female athlete.

Note that even the most pro transgender doctor admit it take several years of constant uninterrupted hormone therapy before bone density is reduced, hemoglobin levels are reduced, blood volume may never change, heart and lung capacity will not change.

The only thing anyone focuses on is testosterone levels which even that only needs to be reduced to 5 nmol/L which is still twice that of even the highest levels (between 0.3 and 2.4 nmol/L.) of a born female.

I struggle to see how it is fair that Hubbard is allowed to compete. Daddy's money has been used to weaponise any opposition to Hubbard domestically within New Zealand. Say anything bad about Hubbard and expect to get some attention from daddy's lawyers. Gavin/Laurel Hubbard is welcome to live in whichever way they wish to do so - but to expect to compete in women's competitions is blatantly unfair. The Hubbard family are horrible people.

@Burning Bush

We are talking biological facts and scientific facts.

It seems that in today's age the Moto is.

"Why use facts when one can use feelings as their facts"

Welcome to 2021 the future is going to be one very interesting and strange ride!

OK so let Hubbard compete as a woman but adjust the categories.

Men's

81 kg (179 lb)

89 kg (196 lb) (non-Olympic)

96 kg (212 lb)

102 kg (225 lb) (non-Olympic)

109 kg (240 lb)

109 kg and over (240 lb+)

Women's

59 kg (130 lb)

64 kg (141 lb)

71 kg (157 lb) (non-Olympic)

76 kg (168 lb)

81 kg (179 lb) (non-Olympic)

87 kg (192 lb)

87 kg and over (191 lb+)

Notice something?

Top category for women is 86 kg up

Men have 3 more.

Apply the men's categories or put a cap on the women's top category.

Hubbard weighs 130 kg which puts her in the top men's category.

If Hubbard is allowed to compete, and she is a very strong medal chance, what's next? Athletes born as biological men competing in the 100m sprint as "women"? Seriously, that doped-to-the-eyeballs Flo-Jo's 35 year WR 100m time would be smashed within a year!

Allowing this to happen is effectively biological doping. NZ gov't should show some integrity and not send Hubbard.

Ok so Hubbard gets to compete as a woman, 130kg in a category with 87kg up as it's highest one.

In the men's that would be the 109 up.

No other women in the 87kg up category even comes close in weight or size.

Declaring one's self and actually being are very different things.

I could declare myself disabled and in theory that would be factual I have ADHD, ASD and dyslexia but does that mean I can compete with the disabled athletes like those in the Paralympics? No that wouldn't make any sense.