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Yeah well DUH! Took you long enough!

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LOL. At this pace, the official logo for the Tokyo Olympics should be a gigantic egg on someone's face. We can call it Tamago-chan.

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HAHAHAHahahaha!!! I said this just last week -- the sooner Japan scraps it the less they will lose face for voraciously defending it and insisting they would stand behind it. Now they have to backtrack, and I see already they are citing recent Sano activity for it instead of just admitting they should have scrapped it to begin with. Losers.

At least it is FINALLY being removed, and hopefully this time they will choose something original and not just an LDP crony's design. I also hope that Sano goes down in flames after this. The guy obviously has ZERO talent.

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Tokyo Olympic set to scrap themselves

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I never liked the logo, it looks like somebody's obento

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I also hope that Sano goes down in flames after this. The guy obviously has ZERO talent.

Sure he has talent, to copy other people.

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Good ... glad the IOC officials ditched the controversial logo. Now ... hope they get their act together and get a good one. With all this creative talent abounding in Japan, it seems like the IOC could find someone somewhere with excellent ideas. The same goes for the National Stadium. Japan has some of the best architects in the world ... so why not use them to build a stadium that will make everyone happy.

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so instead of plagiarising the belgian designer, he plagiarised a drink advert instead? that sounds much better. the next thing they need to scrap is muto and mori.

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This 2020 campaign is turning into an absolute farce. There are so many cooks in the kitchen no one knows what the hell they're doing. Japanese red tape at its very best! Cheers old boys' club! Your true colours are shining bright!

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Best news I've heard today.

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Wish that they will come out with a logo that really represent Japan!!!!

6 ( +6 / -0 )

Let's see if they go for Spain-based Japanese graphic designer KanKan's redesigned concept logo that is well-received by Japanese internet users.

KanKan uploaded a design of a folding fan logo explaining that the spread out fan symbolizes good omens and has been a tool used to cheer others on since ancient times.

The design also perfectly captures the Olympic quality of harmony, with the colorful dots signifying others supporting Japan’s red suns.

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"Muto and Mori...."

Ha! They sound like they should be cute Olympic mascots.

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What next? I'm sitting here twirling my thumbs waiting for the next embarrassing disaster.

8 ( +8 / -0 )

Just give up the Olympics altogether. If you can't even get the logo right (not to mention the stadium fiasco), what hope is there that the rest is going to go smoothly?

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Yubaru: "Sure he has talent, to copy other people."

Actually, I'd say given the result and the fact that his entire practice is under intense scrutiny and possibly several lawsuits, and given the number of websites even in Japan that compare 'his' works with the originals he plagiarized, he's not very talented at that at all.

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I think it is fitting that Tokyo Olympics use the 'Fan' logo for the summer Olympics since it is going to be REALLY hot during the summer. Might as well make the fan your Olympic logo :)

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Oh dear, at this pace we won't have another logo or concept stadium design by 2020

6 ( +6 / -0 )

Great news. I just don't want to see his face on TV again.

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I wonder what the next thing they will scrap will be. Hopefully Mori, but not much chance of that happening.

4 ( +4 / -0 )

2 strikes......what will strike 3 be?

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They should put 3 or 4 potential logo options out there for the public to vote on, or at least share their thoughts on.

3 ( +4 / -1 )

New stadium design, new logo..... What's next? Hopefully the organizing committee will get ORGANIZED and extractum el digitalis. Then again, I won't be holding my breath.

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Disaster Sauce!

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The final nail was J-bloggers busting him for directly copying deceased designer Jan Tschichold, who's promo poster for a Ginza exhibition in 2013 exactly matches the original "T" logo Sano submitted to the Olympics (which he then altered later by reversing one of the triangles to the bottom, and only then maybe unintentionally copying the Belgian theatre). A second nail was driven in when they also found that Sano went to this exhibition in Ginza because he blogged about going.

see it here: http://deliciousicecoffee.blog28.fc2.com/blog-entry-5940.html

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The obviously have the wrong people in charge, failed stadium and now failed logo... whats next?

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It's a national disgrace, a deep-rooted shambles, a complete debacle, but most of all incredibly amusing :)

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I don't think the logo can be called plagiarized. If we go this road soon the circle will be copyright and kids in school have to pay license to draw it...

On the other hand it is extremely poor logo. No hint of Tokyo, Japan, Olympics. You have to look closer and to read what the red dot was to get some vague idea.

Uchiva (fan) logo circulating in the Internet is much more representative and can be associated with both Japan and Olympics once it is announced as such.

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M3M3M3: "They should put 3 or 4 potential logo options out there for the public to vote on, or at least share their thoughts on."

Less bribes for the JOC from potential artists if they do that.

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@Supey11

Wow... incredible. My jaw dropped when I saw it. Thanks for the link.

Ironically, it sort of proves that Sano was telling the truth about not copying and modifying the Liege Theatre logo... but only because he actually copied another even more identical design!

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@Supey11: Thanks for that link that is crazy, the judges where all his friends and he's completely ripped the logo off, this is the smoking gun for sure.

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His response should have been; I was drunk at the time.........(all would have been forgiven!)

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They scraped the stadium, now the logo... just get on with scraping these corporate games that us taxpayers in Tokyo will be on the hook for still years from now.

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I knew this from the beginning. It was only matter of time to make a big decision. Japan has very enough time to change it. It seems no problem at all. It would get much better logo soon.

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in what has become a major embarrassment for Japan.

No worries, the country is used to it and the rest of the world is having an incredible good laugh.

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Finally!! I agree they should definitely hold an open poll/vote (online/phone) between the top 3-5 designs. Specially since we're going to be paying for them for many years to come. Of course this is not going to happen, but let's hope this time they go with something more joyful and less copied.

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How did Tokyo get the Olympics in the first place? As if we don't all know.

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'announcing that they would scrap the emblem due to the brewing controversy.'

The brewing controversy? Organising piss-ups in breweries springs to mind.

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Supey11: I knew the original was also also copy (and hence the hilarity at the JOC's insistence that the updated version was NOT 'a copy' because the last one was!), but I did not realize how identical it was. Wow... Sano should be stripped of any kind of design qualifications and shunned from doing any artwork -- and by that I mean stealing other designs and just changing the name on them to his own.

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T= Tokyo Tomorrow Team

Its like some wishy washy slogan you would see on a JHS sports day T-shirt.

....and somebody got paid for coming up with this?

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Too late. They should've done it last Friday at the latest. I bet no one is now going to take responsibility for this fiasco.

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This is great news.

By the way, the name of Sano's design firm is Mister Design. He said in an interview he took the name from Mister Donut. Seriously.

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What I find the most amazing (way to speak) is that the old boys at IOC were still rejecting the claims of plagiarism back to just last Friday.

But we know they were blatantly lying as it's difficult to believe that they didn't know that Sano had already copied Jan Tschichold's design and that the design submitted to Olympics organizers was in fact a blatant copy of Jan Tschichold's work, later altered to look slightly different.

The typical lying we see so often here at work.

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They scraped the stadium, now the logo... just get on with scraping these corporate games that us taxpayers in Tokyo will be on the hook for still years from now.

Tokyo can afford it, it has the money. It's the rest of the country that has nothing and will be paying for the fiasco.

Tokyo's budget alone is some over 13 TRILLION yen. Tokyo is also well over 270 BILLION yen in the black.

http://www.kaikeikanri.metro.tokyo.jp/summary-of-annualaccount2013(cash).pdf

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The Tokyo Olympics so far: No Stadium, No Logo, No Plan. This becomes more and more a major embarrassment for Japan. And they just dreamed of another 1964.

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Should've kept the original stadium. They could've spruced it up a bit - and they would have had fewer problems

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Tokyo can afford it, it has the money. It's the rest of the country that has nothing and will be paying for the fiasco. Tokyo's budget alone is some over 13 TRILLION yen. Tokyo is also well over 270 BILLION yen in the black.

Disagree! Taking in revenues of about 2.5% above expenditures is not a lot, especially given the demographics and the need for more welfare and other spending while the tax base is shrinking. If they created a special Olympic tax for the wealthy in the city, perhaps the extra burden of these corporate Games wouldn't be placed on average folks who are seeing their incomes shrink, but not much chance of that happening. Also, there is the other matter of what the money wasted on the Olympics could be used for that would benefit the many.

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I dont know if he copied or not but i pity GD nowadays. Designing something original as to be very very difficult and the idea just you catched maybe is just something you`ve seen some time ago in some place, TV, internet or a magazine.

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Nothing original here, move along.

Even the Japanese style denial by the Tokyo Organising Committee is unoriginal. Me thinks they nicked it off Abe-san's war-atrocity apology.

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LOL

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So does he have to return taxpayer money used to fund this?

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Tokyo Olympic logo designer Kenjiro Sano, hung himself out the dry.....What possessed him, we will probably never know?

His designs have won awards....

http://designmadeinjapan.com/magazine/graphic-design/kenjiro-sano-mr_design-mr_black-white-exhibition-roundup-2015/

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Disagree! Taking in revenues of about 2.5% above expenditures is not a lot, especially given the demographics and the need for more welfare and other spending while the tax base is shrinking.

Do you know anything about the demographics regarding Tokyo? Tokyo's tax base is INCREASING not decreasing. Tokyo's population is increasing as more and more people move their for work and to live, not to mention that welfare and other expenditures are also covered in part by the national government to the tune of something like 16% to 20% of the budget above what is collected locally.

Tokyo has well over 240 TRILLION yen in net assets by itself. Dont tell me they couldnt "afford" the Olympics.

THe national government should never have agreed to assist with the funding, as the money should have been used in other places (Fukushima and Tohoku) and should have told Tokyo to do it alone.

Tokyo can go it alone if it wanted to, but it wont.

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Well, obviously I can't possibly know if the logo was plagiarised - but moving a serifed line is hardly a radical idea! I've done it myself when playing around with images for covers for my music (along with many other text manipulations - y'know, moving the dots on i's, stuff like that) - and I'm no designer.

Personally I don't think we're talking 'grand theft' here - so much as which artist came up with this blindingly obvious (even to an amateur like me) idea first - and indeed how much 'who got there first' has legal superiority over 'strong probability of coincidence'.

Anyway - though I don't like Sano's logo - I think it's better than Olivier Debie's - because it creates a virtual circle from the inner curves of the serif.

Hmmm. Maybe I should check when I first did it - perhaps I can sue both of them :/

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I agree totally with the decision to cancel the use of an allegedly plagiarized logo, but genuinely think this is a minor problem compared with, as your article stated, the "national stadium fiasco after Prime Minister Shinzo Abe ordered plans to be torn up in the face of growing anger over its price tag"?

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It took them long enough. Really, Tokyo's Olympic organisers are making the ongoing Rio debacle look like a triumph. They couldn't organise a booze up in a brewery.

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I know schadenfreude is wrong but TBH I'm loving this.

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Sorry, but when the page opened up on my PC I couldn't help but laugh. Images of an old guy pulling a yatai yakitori stand (symbolic of the stadium) and his olympic nobori (symbolic of the logo) attached to the yatai raced through my mind. Keep this up and we just might have something like this!

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They couldn't organise a booze up in a brewery.

That I believe Japan could do very well, organize it that is, I mean it is alcohol.

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surely Japanese does not know what plagiarism means

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The decision caps off an embarrassing month for Olympic officials as the ditching of the 252 billion yen stadium meant the showpiece venue may only be ready a few months before the global event.

The key word here being "may". The way things are going with these Games, I would take even odds that it won't be finished by the April 2020 goal.

In recent days, Olympic sponsors including carrier Japan Airlines have started using the logo in their advertising campaigns.

LOL. So besides the Japanese Olympic committee, they have also manged to make their sponsors look bad as well. And cost them money. I keep saying it, but it is true, Japan Inc. certainly isn't the well-oiled machine it usd to be.

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Surely the red circle represents the sun - as in the Japanese flag - not a "beating heat"? Anyway, this is the third time Sano has been accused of plagiarism, so I think he needs to take a long, hard look at his working methods.

This is, however, just a logo, so let's keep things in perspective. A new logo can be chosen in days - there are a number of other, better, designs already out there. The stadium issue is far, far more serious. Let's focus on that, and get started on a new design right away.

And everyone seems to have forgotten about the Rugby World Cup: where is this going to be held?

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With the logo and stadium plans gone haywire, I now wonder if Tokyo's hosting of the Olympics is such a good idea.

Thanks for nothing, good old Japanese bureaucracy and Old Boys' club.

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Do the members of the Japan Olympic Committee have any idea what they're doing. First the logo and then the stadium -- what a fiasco.

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This whole Olympic fiasco is becoming an embarrassment for Japan. I do hope that the people involved get their act together before the Olympic Committee starts to wish that they gave it to Istanbul.

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Teething pains. Japan will get it sorted out, and finished on time. Everyone will have forgotten this by 2020.

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Great news indeed! They can use the same logo as when they were trying for the bid.

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I don't see how people can blame the committee for the designer copying a logo. When hiring a design company, one would expect that the design would be original. They weren't the ones who copied it, they were the victims of it.

Of course JT posters love to blame the victim.

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Do you know anything about the demographics regarding Tokyo? Tokyo's tax base is INCREASING not decreasing.

Yes! Do you? I know that Tokyo's population is expected to grow only until 2020, the year of the Olympics, and then steadily decline. So as I mentioned, there will be a smaller tax base to pay the debt created so the cement and steel corporations can cash in on public money, which would be better used elsewhere.

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Welcome to the Mamoru Samuragochi club Kenjiro.

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Did he design that ugly jacket he wears on television? They need to scrap that wrinkled piece of cloth as well.

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@Strangerland

Because this is the same committee that last friday was still publically claiming that the logo design wasn't plagiarism. People don't blame them for the plagiarism, people blame them for denying so long while the evidences were just too big. And again they basically lied doing so.

Nobody would blame them if they wouldn't have had the typical saving face attitude towards this issue and instead would have had the courage and honesty to say, ok this designer is a total joke and we are firing him because he's embarrassing us. No they decided to be liars and they continue to embarrass themselves by not admitting the real reasons that pushed them to scrap the logo. Honnesty is not overflowing from these people, is it?

So yes people have all the right to blame the committee, they stopped to be victim as soon as they decided to protect Sano's lies.

And please, stop with the "JT posters" thing, I don't think you have any right to generally judge people posting here.

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Tokyo’s emblem is based around the letter “T”—for Tokyo, tomorrow and team—with a red circle said to represent a beating heart.

Where does the capital letter "L" come from?

"Tomorrow?" It's only going to be "tomorrow" the day before the Olympics starts.

It's a crap logo. I wonder how much he got for it.

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Strangerland: "Of course JT posters love to blame the victim."

When there's due cause, yes, and especially when you question the nature of being 'victim'. Even if that's the case, for some reason you sure love to defend the 'victim' when it's pretty clear they share but of the blame.

I mean, seriously, Strangerland... they were defending him as recently as Friday and saying they would never back down, when every single person with access to the internet saw all the website links to Sano's plagiarism, and they could have LONG ago said they were going to look more fully into it before blatantly stating "It wasn't plagiarism, etc." Did they not know about Sano having taken the photo at the presentation and used it for his own until TODAY??

No, Strangerland, what you're seeing is not a victim, but attempts at damage control long after the horse has left the barn.

In any case, I see they are wasting no time in talking about organizing a new contest, which means more money changing hands, when they could just choose the fan award, since it is the design the public have spoken adamantly in favor of. But if it's just the public who decides, how can they OB club get more money for doing absolutely nothing except maybe accepting bribes?

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The reason we’re withdrawing (the logo) is because it no longer has public support

Lol, what public support? The public were calling it the funeral design from the get-go. Let's hope they have a real contest for the design and let the public choose. But most likely they will just go with something from their next most lucrative business partner.

It's just so typical that the olympic oldies kept trying to bury the situation but in the end had to scrap the design after we've already seen it appearing on countless commercials. They try to avoid making a loss but instead end up with an even bigger one (not to mention an even bigger embarrassment).

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Because this is the same committee that last friday was still publically claiming that the logo design wasn't plagiarism. People don't blame them for the plagiarism, people blame them for denying so long while the evidences were just too big.

I mean, seriously, Strangerland... they were defending him as recently as Friday and saying they would never back down, when every single person with access to the internet saw all the website links to Sano's plagiarism, and they could have LONG ago said they were going to look more fully into it before blatantly stating "It wasn't plagiarism, etc."

Don't get me wrong, they doubled down when they should have jumped ship. But the fact is, they didn't do the design, they hired a company to do the design, and they got screwed when the company plagiarized the logo.

And if you think they aren't the victims because they defended the logo, tell me, do you blame domestic violence victims who defend the person that abused them? It's essentially the same thing.

A JT thread wouldn't be a thread without people blaming the victim.

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Well that's one way to advertise around the world I guess, but international headlines of stealing aren't really helping Japan's image

How's that stadium coming along?

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And Japanese people (and posters here) claimed/thought only China copies/plagiarises?!?... but nothing beats this: plagiarising the Olympic emblem to soil Japan's image for eternity...

Japan sure takes the trophy for this mother of all copying/plagiarisms.

Wonder how Japanese citizens feel that this also puts them even further lower than China.

And how on earth did the JOC (or 3rd party investigator) not thoroughly check the designer's/firm's previous or other works (when regular folks could point out the obvious), esp when a nation's rep is at stake?? Such clumsiness and lack of discipline seem to pervade even the highest of Japanese society and quality too...

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It doesn't matter what China does completely different that the rip of the majority of the world's goods.

The designer mada a mistake by not verifying, China verifies to make sure it can pass to the uneducated.

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The reason we’re withdrawing (the logo) is because it no longer has public support.”

Did it EVER have public support ?

that link that is crazy, the judges where all his friends and he's completely ripped the logo off, this is the smoking gun for sure.

Oh there will be plenty more jobs for the boys in the months ahead.

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Emblematic of general decadence. Nothing comes easy anymore for these old hacks and crooks. How much money was already paid out for stuff like this? This is the power class running the slow decline.

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Copying is copying. Don't justify it just because it's Japan doing it.

Sure, China copies... but as I said, you can't deny Japan takes the sole top spot and the trophy for the mother of all plagiarisms.

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Unfortunately to the world that doesn't distinguish much in Asia anyway, the plagiarism is just looks no different than China and South Korea. That reputation has now been emphasized the world over given the news coverage, left the barn as it were. Please no more screw ups Japan, you're not helping yourself. Time to fire some people at the committee level and get people who know what they're doing before more reputation is needlessly lost

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Since I am not Japanese I can't justify their actions. All countries copying to a certain degree but China, Korea and Thailand don't really enforce existing copyrights.

And thus many companies pulled out of them. I have a specific hobby and 95% of the pirated goods come from China, Korea, HongnKong and Thailand. I can name some companies that do well worldwide selling pirated goods.

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I like the fan picture that was displayed on sport section of JT, Sano used the same TL letters instead creating different TL that could be initial of Tokyo Loser. 2 alphabet letters have limitation. Sano probably does not know picture maker software. Very outdated designer.

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IMHO, the olympics can be held anywhere as the majority of people watch them on TV, etc.

The times when people travelled to see them live is coming to an end, hence why few recent hosting nations made a profit.

Was/is different nations where hosting them can be an economic boost, my own nation saw the benefit in 1972 but no more.

Biggest problem you can put on a great show for 2 weeks + Paralympics and after that the facilities are unused.

Hence why most recent countries called a loss after hosting them.

Many other places also say no. Look at the last winter Olympics in Japan and see how much those facilities cost, cost would be more if operated.

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Biggest problem you can put on a great show for 2 weeks + Paralympics and after that the facilities are unused.

The facilities in London are being used.

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Elizabeth.

Sure on that but do they male the forecast profits and do those benefit the country or only the local wards?

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Some people mentioned Tokyo or and Japan can not afford Olympic. Unlike last two competitors, Turkey and Spain, Japan Inc commercial income are expected to flood for Japan Olympic. For instance, Nintendo usually spend twice than others to advertise its name. Not only them but banks, Inasurance companies, etc. Not tax money. Too much income that was why IOC awarded to Japan. It is Tokyo O and so Tokyo will benefit.

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@It's ME

The times when people travelled to see them live is coming to an end, hence why few recent hosting nations made a profit.

They are too expensive, it wasn't about people attending. The return on investment is so low as to be futile. Might as well spend the money on improving things in the respective cities.

The IOC needs to start paying people to host them, rather than sitting back and raking the money in. This has little to do with sport anymore. Better to invest and increase local sport interest and have championships but not under the bloated corrupt IOC

They chose Tokyo because their business practices match those of the IOC. After Tokyo no one will take them, maybe Chinese cities and others looking to make a name for themselves. But no more first world nations.

The reality is that cities no longer need the cache of an Olympics to make a statement of value to the world.

As more and more cities refuse, the Olympics will be reduced in respect more and more. If Norway won't take them, you know the gig is up. The idea of sport to unite the world has been subverted by the IOC as a cash machine. The sooner they are fired the better.

The Olympics could even end for a while and that would be fine. Amateur sports needs to be invested in and increased in our respective countries so that the reason we meet again will be because of true sport and friendship, not cashola.

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Toshiko it is an expenditure vs long term income calculation.

Don't work for Japan or any other developed nation, as the return won't even cover the cost. Great for developing nations, developed nations not so.

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iT'S ME" i WROTE SHOT TERM INCOME CALCULATION. That were discussed when Japan won the contract by IOC. They had debate that Japan would sell US bonds Japan holding or npt and assurance by Japan Inc scrapped to sell US bonds. Are you sure developing nations want to spend huge money for Olympic? How come IOC is more interested in Calif but not iany dwveloping countries? Do those countries have stadium bigger than Codgers or Halo's stadium in Anaheim?

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BTW how was Sano's company chosen to design the logo?

Was it a fair and open process with bids and samples submitted by various design companies?

Or was it a jobs for the boys type arrangement?

If anyone has any info on that I would be interested to hear.

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@Yubaru

Do you know anything about the demographics regarding Tokyo? Tokyo's tax base is INCREASING not decreasing. Tokyo's population is increasing as more and more people move their for work and to live,

Ok, fair point - but do you actually live in Tokyo? It's only getting more expensive, as Tokyo bears the brunt of Japan's 0.5% YOY decline in population. 2% YOY decline in GDP. Out of the past 22 host cities for the Olympics, 20 have had to pull down their stadiums or heavily redevlopment them for modern usage. In other words, almost every host city to date has lost on the Olympics. With Japan's GDP-to-debt ratio topping 240%, Tokyo most certainly cannot afford the Olympics. Hell, it can't even afford it's own welfare system! The so-called 2020 "boom" is only delaying an inevitable crash of catastrophic proportions.

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@sighslops: Yubaru lives in Japan as such, just like any residents of Japan he can get any publicized info of any prefecture. He was writing on Tokyo To, not Tokyo Shi, Often English language version is sloppy summary translation. Try to compare your numbers with Japanese documents.

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BTW how was Sano's company chosen to design the logo?

There was a selection committee consisting of famous designers, and 104 entries I believe. You can still see a copy of the original call for submissions in Japanese on this blog. The first prize seems to have been a million yen. http://d-lounge.jp/blog/2014/09/7565

I figured a T and a Ⅱlook a bit like that icon shrine gate so may submit https://www.flickr.com/photos/nihonbunka/21048054776

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Ok, fair point - but do you actually live in Tokyo? It's only getting more expensive, as Tokyo bears the brunt of Japan's 0.5% YOY decline in population. 2% YOY decline in GDP. Out of the past 22 host cities for the Olympics, 20 have had to pull down their stadiums or heavily redevlopment them for modern usage. In other words, almost every host city to date has lost on the Olympics

They tore down the national stadium, and if you know about that venue, it is used often during the course of any given year for numerous events, rugby, (HS, Uni, & shakaijin league) Soccer, (JLeague & HS tournaments) International events, (World Track and Field Championships) and is scheduled for use well beyond the Olympics. It will not just unused.

There are other plans already in place for other venues as well, including the housing too.

With Japan's GDP-to-debt ratio topping 240%, Tokyo most certainly cannot afford the Olympics. Hell, it can't even afford it's own welfare system! The so-called 2020 "boom" is only delaying an inevitable crash of catastrophic proportions.

http://www.nicmr.com/nicmr/english/report/repo/2014/2014win03.pdf

Tokyo is pretty much autonomous when it comes to it's budget, it has over 6.2 trillion yen on account, and it's budget is close to 13 trillion yen, which is comparable to the budget of Sweden. The GDP of Tokyo alone is over 90 Billion yen and accounts for nearly 20% of Japan's entire GDP, which is on par with Korea and Australia (as comparisons)

Tokyo has the money and the power to pull this off, if the planners would just get their heads out of the butts.

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Apparently Mr Sano has also designed the logo for Williams Burgers, a brand new fast food chain opening up here soon.

http://i.imgur.com/oxa0JHF.jpg

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@Yubaru

I agree with your points, which were well-researched. You're right in saying that Tokyo has the money & power to pull it off - agree 100%. My issue is, it is the current taxpayers, and many generations of taxpayers to come, who will be paying for this Olympics and - more importantly - paying off Japan's debt. Regardless of whether it comes from Tokyo, Sendai or Hokkaido - it's all the same mess. Nagano is still paying off its debt from 1998! Nothing has changed.

The Government is being extremely irresponsible in its use of public money - and has been spending like this for decades. It has only been exacerbated by the Olympic campaign. 1,500 (that we know of) amakudari positions, countless panels & committees, questionable construction entities - the list goes on & on. Not to mistake the forest from the trees, the Olympics is the least of Japan's economic woes. It's just making the dire situation (240% debt-to-GDP ratio as I mentioned) much, much worse.

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It was reported yesterday that they spent roughly $400,000 checking his designs for trademark violations, and over $100,000 printing posters and banners. That is all down the drain. Then there are the costs of removing all those posters and banners. And they say it will take another $420,000 for the committee to select and approve a new logo. There is a million plus out the window. And there is still the possibility of corporate sponsors suing because of having to redo commercials and ads.

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