Egos clash in Bezos-Musk space race

The comparison BS. One guy actually thinks stuff up and creates it, the other guy just got rich importing cheap crap from China to your door step.

Where’s the story about how many people Bezos and the US post office has put out of business cuz of their favored shipping rates and cheap copies of inventions..

Oversight of both Musk’s and Bezoz’s interests and their individual projects is necessary. Credit to @itsonlyrocknroll 5/9 9:11pm for the insights about these billionaires egos. (paraphrased:

- “I think it is essential that private investment must be a joint venture [along with governments], allowing space exploration to flourish and develop. Celebrity, billionaire entrepreneurs, with an insatiable need to achieve personal ambition can affect lives [and] have to be challenged. [They] must be subject to oversight.” -

Who wants to move to Mars?" Bezos said at a conference in 2019. "Do me a favor, go live on the top of Mount Everest for a year first, and see if you like it -- because it’s a garden paradise compared to Mars."

I really dislike both of these guys, but on this issue Bezos I think is right. Musk’s talk of colonizing Mars is bonkers when you actually look at the details of what that would be like for anyone trying it.

Bezos is worth the same as New Zealands GDP! That just mad!

Ai WonderToday 12:17 pm JST

Sickening to see the over rich playing out their egos in space. Branson, another white male rich beyond any decent morality, wants to spend billions sending other excessively rich folk into space.

What has their race got to do with it? If they were Chinese would that make it okay?

Ai WonderToday  12:17 pm JST

Sickening to see the over rich playing out their egos in space. Branson, another white male rich beyond any decent morality, wants to spend billions sending other excessively rich folk into space. Each launch causes excessive pollution and cost tens of millions, even billions. With such pressing issues on Earth, not least the climate emergency, these antics, particularly space tourism, has to stop. It’s a disgrace and uses up valuable resources than can be better used on this fragile planet we call home.

Then I look forward to seeing you come up with a solution of your own instead of playing the identity politics game.

I want Richard Branson to get involved in the slap fest.

Snowymountainhell, surely the thought must cross the minds of Bezos Musk, if they both pooled their considerable resources and found the humility to work together, then the risk would be shared and perhaps if successful lead to other more philanthropic joint ventures.

Both need their heads banged together.

This seems a bit like the War of the Currents between Tesla and Edison. Tesla vs Amazon.

Why is colonizing the Moon or Mars necessary? Can’t we leave anything alone?

Because colonization of other planets could solve a lot of societal problems and potentially end war. This planet is no longer big enough to contain man or his ambition. Either we branch out to other world's or we kill ourselves on this one.

The Egos Have Landed.

Musk’s talk of colonizing Mars is bonkers when you actually look at the details of what that would be like for anyone trying it.

I agree colonize the moon first, once youve got hat mastered move on to mars

colonize the moon first, once youve got hat mastered move on to mars.

Why is colonizing the Moon or Mars necessary? Can’t we leave anything alone?

We shouldn’t colonize anywhere until we can take care of ourself and our own planet. Otherwise we would be like a virus spreading into space.

@desert

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Why is colonizing the Moon or Mars necessary? Can’t we leave anything alone?

If the human race is to survive it must become a multi planet species. Regardless of what man does or does not do on Earth, at some point in the distant future as the Sun continues to fuse it's supply of hydrogen into helium, the Sun will heat up to the point water will evaporate from Earth and Earth will become uninhabitable. When the last of the Sun's hydrogen is consumed it will balloon into a Red Giant with a diameter greater than the current orbit of Earth around the Sun. The inner planets will be incinerated. Earth might even be sucked into the Sun by its gravity. Mankind must therefore master interplanetary travel and develop the ability to colonize other planets. Man may even develop the means to bio-engineer suitable rocky planets in the sweet spot from their own star that allows temps compatible with liquid water into planets with a breathable atmosphere along with Earthly plant and animal life. That is the only sure future mankind has as Earth ultimately is doomed to destruction.

A base on the Moon, or at one of the Lagrange points in the Moon's orbit around the Earth offer the ideal place from which to launch interstellar exploration as such launches will not have to overcome Earth's gravity and atmosphere as they would launching from Earth. Not having to survive a terrestrial launch allows lighter structures and less fuel is consumed leaving the launch site.”

or we could just bow out gracefully.

I saw a lecture by Gerard K. O’Neill in 1978. His ideas seemed well thought out and doable. I’ve been a fan ever since.

Bezos should focus on that instead of trying to compete head to head with SpaceX in LEO satellite internet.

I’m waiting for Bigelow inflatable modules to start being deployed in a serious way. Perhaps waiting for bigger rockets for larger structures.

Why is colonizing the Moon or Mars necessary? Can’t we leave anything alone?

If the human race is to survive it must become a multi planet species. Regardless of what man does or does not do on Earth, at some point in the distant future as the Sun continues to fuse it's supply of hydrogen into helium, the Sun will heat up to the point water will evaporate from Earth and Earth will become uninhabitable. When the last of the Sun's hydrogen is consumed it will balloon into a Red Giant with a diameter greater than the current orbit of Earth around the Sun. The inner planets will be incinerated. Earth might even be sucked into the Sun by its gravity. Mankind must therefore master interplanetary travel and develop the ability to colonize other planets. Man may even develop the means to bio-engineer suitable rocky planets in the sweet spot from their own star that allows temps compatible with liquid water into planets with a breathable atmosphere along with Earthly plant and animal life. That is the only sure future mankind has as Earth ultimately is doomed to destruction.

A base on the Moon, or at one of the Lagrange points in the Moon's orbit around the Earth offer the ideal place from which to launch interstellar exploration as such launches will not have to overcome Earth's gravity and atmosphere as they would launching from Earth. Not having to survive a terrestrial launch allows lighter structures and less fuel is consumed leaving the launch site.

American astrophysicists will develop technology that alter the trajectory of Mars to bring it within habitable climate and temperature. 

That is not the problem Mars suffers from. Earth has tremendously strong magnetic fields that protect its atmosphere from being stripped away by the Sun. So does Venus. Earth and Venus have swirling liquid iron mantels. The convective movement of that liquid iron inside those two planets is what creates the magnetic fields that protect their atmospheres. Mars no longer has a liquid iron mantel. It solidified billions of years ago and when it did, Mars lost the magnetic fields that made its atmosphere possible. Re-melting Mars' mantel to create the necessary magnetic fields would be necessary for any kind of atmosphere to survive on Mars. Good luck with that.

This is all about wanting to be the first trillionaire. Whoever can get an asteroid of rare earth metals, etc. and bring it back to Earth first will win. These guys should be banned from space, they are not going to help anyone but themselves, and space belongs to every human on the planet, regardless of wealth or citizenship.

Whoever can get an asteroid of rare earth metals, etc. and bring it back to Earth first will win

Seriously? Those very same metals are far from rare. They are abundant in the deserts of Australia and the US. The Chinese just undercut everyone else's price and captured the market but it is far cheaper to mine the stuff in the US than to try to bring an asteroid down to Earth without causing a cataclysm. Egos aside I think both of these fellows are smart enough to know that.

if they both pooled their considerable resources and found the humility to work together, then the risk would be shared and perhaps if successful lead to other more philanthropic joint ventures.

Both need their heads banged together.

Nations are working together to explore and colonize space but it should never be a playground for the spoiled filthy rich kids.

“Obv”iously, @itsonlyrocknroll 8:40a, “humility” is no longer a shared trait for these two. It’s a ‘alien’ concept to both Musk and the Talosian, Bezoz. Unfortunately, we will continue to be Cage’d by ‘The Menagerie’ of their enlarged heads and egos until they can evolve.

Exploitative tech entrepreneurs should be kept out of anything of national or global importance. In tech, what often seems like a service to socially if almost always an exploitative play to screw they guy at the end of the supply chain or destroy a lot of good jobs.

Two rich guys acting like to toddlers in a food fight!

or we could just bow out gracefully.

It won't be a graceful ending for anything alive on the Earth when the last water is gone. And really, do YOU want to be the very last human left? Mankind will find ways to survive. I have no doubt about that.

Analysts predicted that "monetization" of space with trillions of dollars to be made. Equally predictable,

- “this has also become “personal."

UFC with no black eyes.

Sickening to see the over rich playing out their egos in space. Branson, another white male rich beyond any decent morality, wants to spend billions sending other excessively rich folk into space. Each launch causes excessive pollution and cost tens of millions, even billions. With such pressing issues on Earth, not least the climate emergency, these antics, particularly space tourism, has to stop. It’s a disgrace and uses up valuable resources than can be better used on this fragile planet we call home.

@AiWonder Well said!

"Who wants to move to Mars?" Bezos said at a conference in 2019. "Do me a favor, go live on the top of Mount Everest for a year first, and see if you like it -- because it’s a garden paradise compared to Mars."

American astrophysicists will develop technology that alter the trajectory of Mars to bring it within habitable climate and temperature. A decade later, the Chinese with borrowed technology begin to reign in Venus and apply their own invention of de layering atmospheric gas. The Japanese will claim that the success of these scientists and their 99% perspiration were inspired by a sushi restaurant conveyor belt seen on a visit to Japan and how that changed the scientists’ lives.