Apple unveils new iPhones for faster 5G wireless networks

Is this the new iObsolescence model phone?

Great, now the battery in my year old iPhone will start losing charge after an update until it only works for 20 minutes. And this new and improved model comes with no charger or earphones.

Samsung Galaxy 9 specs now with an Apple logo... Samsung seem to be three generations ahead. Look at the spec and camera quality of a Galaxy 20, blows Apple away:

https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/13/21514500/apple-iphone-12-samsung-galaxy-note-pixel-android-comparison-specs

They now charge you separately for the charger at $20 or $50?? How greedy can they be? "Because having no charger makes it easier and less bulky shipping you the handset" is an insulting explanation. Who cares if you get a handset in smaller box if you don't have a charger?!

I've used iPhones starting one year after the first model was introduced. I'm done. I hated that the Japanese ones were locked. This gives me an excuse to get a new number too so I can choose who I want to talk to now...

Apple have always had the best video camera in the iPhone and this release will increase the gap with their competitors - it's hard to see any Android phone doing real-time 4K 60 fps Dolby Vision anytime soon.

Not only that, their still camera is looking pretty good, especially in low light. But the proof will be in the pudding - can't wait for the reviews to come out.

gogogo

Look at the spec and camera quality of a Galaxy 20, blows Apple away

Yeah, cos that's what I do - judge a camera by the specs. Not. Except, if you look at the specs, apart from telephoto, the S20 barely competes with the iPhone 11, last year's model. A general perusal of the reviews and you will find that iPhone is generally considered a better camera. That's before comparing to this year's iPhone 12 Pro Max, which looks set to establish the benchmark by which all other phone camera will be judged.

Peter Neil

Great, now the battery in my year old iPhone will start losing charge after an update until it only works for 20 minutes.

Not sure why you think that will be the case.

Speed

They now charge you separately for the charger at $20 or $50?? How greedy can they be?

Not very. You get 5G added for the same cost as last year's phone. That's a trade I'm willing to make - considering I have a bunch of chargers already.

Peter Neil

I've used iPhones starting one year after the first model was introduced. I'm done. I hated that the Japanese ones were locked. 

BTW Japanese iPhones haven't been locked since 2015 (at least). I'm pretty sure that a law was passed around that time to allow anyone to buy a non-locked phone.

BTW Japanese iPhones haven't been locked since 2015 (at least). I'm pretty sure that a law was passed around that time to allow anyone to buy a non-locked phone.

They come locked. You have to pay to unlock them.

No charger or earphones, but it's not cheaper.

Great, now the battery in my year old iPhone will start losing charge after an update until it only works for 20 minutes.

Apple to pay up to $500 million to settle U.S. lawsuit over slow iPhones.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/02/tech/apple-lawsuit-settlement-slow-batteries/index.html

Btw, my S20+ 5G is a beast, 12GB ram, dual sim, 4500 mAh battery, amazing camera and 8K vid

Strangerland

They come locked. You have to pay to unlock them.

Actually, no, you just have to order them as unlocked. You don't have to pay anything more.

HenryK

Apple to pay up to $500 million to settle U.S. lawsuit over slow iPhones.

Sure. But they didn't admit any wrongdoing. In fact, what they did was beneficial to their users and still exists in iOS today.

What they did was to prolong the life of people's iPhones by managing the battery life.

Actually, no, you just have to order them as unlocked. You don't have to pay anything more.

Actually I think you are both right. If you want it unlocked before 180 days are up you will have to pay. Otherwise the carrier can't refuse.

On the iPhone 12.... I'm a little surprised they haven't gone with USB -C yet. Otherwise this seems like a good phone... I did hear the battery might not be as good as the 11 but that remains to be seen. If I needed to upgrade now I'd have no problem going for the 12 but I'm happy with the 11 I have and won't be looking to upgrade for a few years yet.

iphones are very popular in Japan because people here are sheep.

My gfs have them because everyone cool has them. No idea about camera, battery or fast just press the button.

It is from a US company not Korean or Chinese.

natsu823

My gfs have them because everyone cool has them. No idea about camera, battery or fast just press the button.

Luckily they have great battery life and the camera is top quality.

Haaa Nemui

On the iPhone 12.... I'm a little surprised they haven't gone with USB -C yet. 

There's no upside for changing to a USB-C, yet. People would get annoyed with the change.

2020hindsights... I don't know that people would be annoyed. I just see they've already started the transition with the iPads and the sooner they start with the iPhones as well then the better most people will be for it... even those who might be disappointed at first will soon realize they are better off for it.

I don't know much about phones, but I have an iPhone because the most apps are likely to be available on it, plus I have music and films bought using my Apple ID, now. I won't be buying these phones for a while, though. My 5S lasted me about 5 years, until I got the SE this year. I can wait another 5 for a new phone.

Phone locking in Japan. Unless you buy the phone directly from the make, carrier phones are carrier locked. The only thing the law changed is that prior to the law, service providers could reject your request to unlock a phone you did not own. After the law changed a few years ago, they must now accept all request to unlock a phone that doesn't have a balance on it.

@Sneezy

I have an iPhone because the most apps are likely to be available on it,

I think you are confusing apple and Android. Android is the UI that has the most apps and typically has newer apps frequently available.

Rare for me to stick up for apple, but here we are , who in 2020 doesn't have at least a dozen chargers laying around their house? I have Anker powerports - at home and work. I like most high end phone buyers do not need another (and lower power charger.) In fact as an Android docomo user, I haven't gotten a charger with my past three devices,Sony, Sony, Samsung. No new charger, no problem.

Price hasn't changed? More like they haven't jacked up the price on the latest models.

Earphones? Don't need them either.

I wouldn't complain about getting another charger, but have already installed electrical outlets with built-in USB ports in most of the rooms, so I don't use a charger as often as I used to. Still need to take a charger along when traveling.

Haven't seen anyone mention that all the iPhone 12s are supposed to be water resistant down to 30 meters, for half an hour. Does that mean that I can start shooting underwater photos and videos? That would be cool.

Looking forward to using the built-in 5X telephoto camera. As for the lidar feature, not sure what it is, but look forward to finding out.

The new 120 hz refresh rate sounds good, as well, even if they do have to rely on Samsung to make their OLED screens for them.

And then, there is the 5G capability. Not a Mickey Mouse 5G, but the real thing, where ever available.

People would get annoyed with the change.

Ha ha like apple cares about that. Annoying me has been the reason why I quit Apple. Waterproof...in the next iPhone, big screen...in the next iPhone. NFC ...in the next iPhone....headphone plug....gone in the next iPhone. Widgets...in the next iPhone. Split screen....in the next iPhone. OTG...in the iPhone, 5g in the next iPhone.... With every release they add one new option..or remove one. So annoying.

Good to see Apple catching up to Huawei... well, except on price and battery life...and durability.... and...

The fatal flaw with Apple is that they control both the software and the hardware. Once you buy in you basically cannot escape.

With Android every time I buy a new phone I can choose a different company. This time I got a Moto G7plus for about 30,000 yen with 2 sim slots and a battery that rarely seems to need charging. The fast charger (supplied free with headphones, natch) charges the thing over breakfast. Headphone plug and USB-C goes without saying.

Only a freak will by a 5G smart phone this early while no carrier can support it, it's like driving a Ferrari on a beach sand just makes a good show but useless. 2022 ~ 23 will be just about right to get one.

In a move that may annoy some consumers, Apple will no longer include charging adapters with new phones. It says that will mean smaller, lighter boxes that are more environmentally friendly to ship. Apple, however, separately sells power adapters that cost about $20 and $50, depending on how fast they charge phones.

*Apple has one of the most loyal and affluent customer bases in the world, which has many analysts betting the next wave of phones will sell well. The iPhone remains the foundation of Apple's business. *In other words the technology controls the stupid. It was just a matter of time, Apple took away charging adapters and used taking away the earphone jack as a test to see how the buyers would react. Now they are taking away the charging adapters and making you buy them with a twist on saying the cost depends on how fast you want your phone to charge. As long as the people continue to buy into this ruse Apple will continue to exploit them. Next up would be changing what you can put on your display, it would be call APP display storage!

The fatal flaw with Apple is that they control both the software and the hardware.

Fatal flaw? You do realize Apple is the richest (or at least top five) company in the world, right? And that they've controlled both the hardware and software for years, right?

It's actually one of the main reasons I buy iphones myself - my phone is ALWAYS updated to the latest version of the OS, and other than the extremely rare app that makes it into the app store with malware in it, you can download Apple apps worry free, knowing they won't rip off your data, or use up the battery on the phone in minutes.

Some people prefer the wild west of Android. And I get it - when I was a younger man, that would have appealed to me more than the closed Apple system. But as someone who just wants a phone that is high quality, secure, and easy to use, and doesn't care about a lot of customization or what, Apple fits my mindset perfectly.

And that of millions of other people - which is why it's one of the richest companies in the world.

Now they are taking away the charging adapters and making you buy them with a twist on saying the cost depends on how fast you want your phone to charge.

Um, chargers have always been that way. Apple has always included fast chargers with the phone - which of course will bring up the price, and often results in an extra unneeded charging cable, due to already owning a bunch. After all, all iphones have been using the lightning chargers for enough versions that pretty much anyone buying a new iphone that already had an iphone, will already have one or more chargers.

Leaving out the charger keeps the cost down for those who don't need a charger, and allows those with less money to buy a slower charger if they want to save a few bucks.

cracaphat

Since Jobs died,the energy and creativity died with him.Just getting rid of things like fingerprint function,headphone jack and now chargers etc 

Getting rid of those things is such a Jobs move. You do realize that Jobs got rid of the floppy drive on the original iMac to much derision. And the CD-ROM drive on the Mac Air.

Apple says no accessories because they want to reduce their carbon footprint. But buying the accessories separately will increase the carbon footprint.

The fatal flaw with Apple is that they control both the software and the hardware.

Fatal flaw? You do realize Apple is the richest (or at least top five) company in the world, right? And that they've controlled both the hardware and software for years, right?

Me, sowing capitalism: Yes!! This rules!!!

Me, reaping capitalism: What the heck. This sucks.

JJ Jetplane

Apple says no accessories because they want to reduce their carbon footprint. But buying the accessories separately will increase the carbon footprint.

Ummm, no it won't.

@2020hindsights

Ummm, no it won't.

Yes. It will. Have you seen the box for the charger? The box for the earphones and/or airpods? The box for the charging cord because that no longer comes with the charging brick. That is a much bigger footprint that including them in the box. At least 3 to 5 boxes that are now much bigger than the previous box.

JJ Jetplane

Yes. It will. Have you seen the box for the charger? The box for the earphones and/or airpods? The box for the charging cord because that no longer comes with the charging brick. That is a much bigger footprint that including them in the box. At least 3 to 5 boxes that are now much bigger than the previous box.

OK. But if only 50% of the people order chargers as well because they already have chargers lying around from their previous three phones, then that's millions, tens of millions of chargers that don't get made to be discarded. That's a BIG carbon footprint removed.

the problem with me is i really care about my phones. I still use iphone7, i hope it breaks so i can buy the iphone12mini. the good side of apples iphone is they are very solid. actually the phone is worth if you take care of it enough. the hardware will last 10 years.

I have been buying i lhknes because i am a snob, skip usually one release, so my wife and I have together 8 phones in use, although only 3 each with active numbers. We checked and we have 5 workable chargers. I do not use earphones, my wife does. I , strangely enough hse my phones mostly for calling, calling

continued..

for SMS, checking website and the odd picture mostly work related.

So, i do not use about 90 % of an i phones capacity. Conclusion, i am a snob

zichi

No device, like a laptop or phone should be sold without a means to charge it. 

Why? You can buy a charger from Apple when you buy it. Or buy a third party charger. Most people I know already have many of these from previous phones, but if you don't then buy it. Also, laptops are completely different because there is no actual standard for laptop power supplies. USB chargers are standard.

New cables and chargers also need boxes.

Boxes aren't the problem.

Also the earpods are now missing, which both my wife and I use.

Since you already use them, you can keep using your existing ones.

zichi

How to explain the cable with the iPhones is now USB-C and won’t fit into the chargers we have?

Assuming that the chargers you already have came with cables, it's obviously not to replace those.

Not sure. I would guess that they want people to move to USB-C. I would welcome it though, because it means that you can buy a cheaper fast-charger, which require USB-C to support the fast charge current requirements. It could also be used from any recent MacBook.