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As Musk is learning, content moderation is a messy job

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By DAVID KLEPPER and MATT O'BRIEN

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To Musk’s many online fans, the disarray is a feature, not a bug, of the site under its new ownership, and a reflection of the free speech mecca they hope Twitter will be.

Being a disruptor is not always a good strategy, and can just be selfish.

Musk's inspiration, Iain M. Banks in his Culture book Look to Windward dealt with this quandary.

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45 gets shutdown for ‘incitement to violence’

Ye gets shutdown for ‘incitement to violence’ (by musk, his own words)

Some folks got tricked into believing twitter had ‘free speech’.

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Then just don’t moderate the content and return to freedom of speech. It’s such easy, isn’t it?

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She said “millions of Indians are terrified about who is going to get reinstated,” and the company has stopped responding to the group’s concerns.

Musk being a free speech proponent should reinstate the accounts critical of the Indian government, but that will set up a showdown for Twitter in its third largest market so let's see if he goes down that road.

https://time.com/5935003/india-farmers-protests-twitter/

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/congress-says-its-twitter-account-locked-four-days-after-rahul-gandhis-was-locked-over-rule-violation-2508513/amp/1

We are talking about the prevention of dangerous genocidal hate speech that can lead to mass atrocities.

Well in that case accounts linked to ruling BJP party members should be blocked, but that will most certainly lead to Twitter getting kicked out of its third largest market.

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Musk has defended the platform's sometimes herky-jerky moves since he took over, and said mistakes will happen as it evolves. “We will do lots of dumb things," he tweeted.

By now that is undeniable, the problem is that a lot of those dumb things could have been prevented by listening to the people that were in charge before and knew the consequences of doing them, having to re-learn everything almost from zero appears to be a bad move.

Maybe is time to let the service change and Twitter to lose relevance, make it a decentralized protocol that can be managed in portions.

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“What Musk is doing with Twitter is completely permissible under U.S. law,” Goldman said.

Correct. And if Americans disagree with the law then Americans can vote to change the law.

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“lawful but awful” is nothing to be proud of.

Twitter is a cesspool.

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I'm a lot more concerned with the scandal that is 'The Twitter Files' than moderation. even if there's lots of mistakes made in fine tuning it.

The Twitter Files scandal demotes democracy at a time when Russia and China is using a weak democracy to attack the west. This is a systemic fault. The Chinese Wechat are already full of Wumao warriors saying things like 'see the west suppresses even more than the CCP'.

Whilst moderation mistakes are only affecting the population temporarily and a small number at that. This is just a glitch.

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Elonald clown will be together with Putin the two most hated of 2022 ..

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I for one love what he's doing at Twitter. You're definitely more free to expression your opinion than this place.

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I for one love what he's doing at Twitter. You're definitely more free to expression your opinion than this place.

That’s the bizarre conundrum.

The people who are most vocal here about ‘freedom of speech’ and how great twitter is are the ones who spend the most time here, where they have none and their posts get removed regularly.

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Bob FosseToday  09:02 am JST

“lawful but awful” is nothing to be proud of. 

Twitter is a cesspool.

Why would you post or read anything on Twitter if you believe it is a cesspool?

“When push came to shove, when you buy a $44 billion thing, you get to have the final say in how that $44 billion thing is governed,” Roth said.

I trust Musk on this.

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Musk suspended the account of Kaney West. Restored Trump's account who said he won't be returning. Blockhead Jones was suspended.

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Unfortunately, our society's priorities are reflected in the news that we focus on. Sad.

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painkiller

“What Musk is doing with Twitter is completely permissible under U.S. law,” Goldman said.

Correct. And if Americans disagree with the law then Americans can vote to change the law.

Except they can not. Administrations make law changes.

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Twitter is a cesspool.

Why would you post or read anything on Twitter if you believe it is a cesspool?

I don’t, because it is a cesspool.

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Twitter was making a profit from adverts but since the Musk buy out many have cancelled.

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I don’t, because it is a cesspool.

but you keep telling me there are no changes, how how would you know?

Kinda like these people who claim they dont watch CNN but post as their "own comments" exactly what CNN is saying nearly word for word 5 mins after its said on CNN

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Why is there no serious analysis here of the highly partisan internal political collusion that Musk revealed ('The Twitter Files')?

Now Antifa are complaining that they can't openly threaten violence but this is never mentioned alongside criticism of Twitter under Musk:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/twitter-bans-multiple-antifa-accounts-after-threats-and-attempts-burn-down-tesla

Hmmmm

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I don’t, because it is a cesspool.

but you keep telling me there are no changes, how how would you know?

Wow. What a totally unexpected response. Wasn’t expecting that /s

Of course, we all know an opinion can only be valid if it is based on direct personal experience /s

”I’m tired of listening to all these experts! I’m going to try this cyanide stuff for myself and make my own kind up!”

I know it hasn’t changed because the reason twitter gave for 45’s shutdown, which you were so mad about, is the EXACT same reason musk himself gave for Kanye’s shutdown.

Also the whole ‘shadow banning’ thing, which you were so mad about, is now official twitter policy.

From the article above:

“None of our policies have changed.”

“Musk has said Twitter has reduced the spread of tweets containing hate speech, making them harder to find unless a user searches for them.“

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wallaceToday  10:50 am JST

Except they can not. Administrations make law changes.

Which country are you talking about?

Because in the US the Administration does not make laws, as this is spelled out in the Constitution.

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Congress makes the laws, not the voters.

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wallaceToday  11:28 am JST

Congress makes the laws, not the voters.

Congress is not the Administration, and voters can get laws passed on their own.

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Any voter election needs a majority. Congress makes federal laws. State lawmakers make State laws. Even the president is not elected by voters.

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