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U.S. unveils changes to attract foreign science, tech students

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> The Biden administration has announced policy changes to attract international students specializing in science, technology, engineering and math — part of the broader effort to make the U.S. economy more competitive.

Meanwhile, the Japanese government has been working to keep exactly these people away, to help make the Japanese economy less competitive.

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A much, much better tack, that also solves the horrendous problem of racial inequality in America, would be to provide funding and resources to schools in low income areas. In some states schools in low income areas which are often predominantly Black receive a staggering 30% less funding than schools across town in neighbourhoods that are predominately White.

If there is one thing I think every American regardless of political leanings would agree on is true equality of opportunity. Fund Black schools!

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Sorry, ‘cosplayers, anime enthusiasts and voice-acting aficionados’ don’t seem to be on the short list, at this time.

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"The State Department will let eligible visiting students in those fields, known as STEM, complete up to 36 months of academic training, according to a notice in the Federal Register."

Once a foreign national on F-1 completes his Masters in a STEM field, he can stay in the US under the OPT program for upto 3 years already. This is not new.

"Homeland Security will add 22 new fields of study"

This is the new part which is a result of this policy change.

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Why isn't the government encouraging US citizens to enter those programs?

Because the money has to come from within. With foreign students, especially those from China, they bring A LOT of money into America. And that money from abroad is shrinking thanks to America's sinophobia.

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And that money from abroad is shrinking thanks to America's sinophobia.

Chinese direct investment in the US is minor. They are not in the top ten. At over $637 billion Japanese firms have he most foreign direct investment in the US followed closely by Canada, UK and Netherlands. China's $38 billion is rounding error compared to the $2.83 trillion the top six investors have in the US.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/456713/leading-fdi-countries-usa/

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Why isn't the government encouraging US citizens to enter those programs?

They do. I can't think of a school district anywhere that isn't pushing STEM. Private schools too. It's the future. However in the US education is a state and local matter. All the Federal Government can do is offer grants to fund STEM programs and offer advice. There is a long list, over two dozen, possible grants available to school districts. The courses offered and their content are all determined at a local school board level. Every district does things differently.

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No thanks, I would never go to live in that country, even if the government gave me a house, job, car, scholarship, money, wife, cat and dog.. NEVER !!... Lol..

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Republicans will come in by next year and prevent further students from entering, then Trump will be in by 2024 and deport the students or prevent them from changing visas.

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The USA could not function without the many skilled workers filling its workforce. It is a shame that more emphasis is not given to training the locals to do skilled work, but it is cheaper to lure workers here after they are trained, than to train people here.

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LOL now that the US has over the years has an influx of useless labors with less than a 3rd grade education they want to change the laws to balance their screw up. One would think the country should have done this in the first place. In the past these large corporations wanted these uneducated people to do labor and small jobs in manufacturing but sense the US manufactures nothing and have become more of a service or should I say technical country they have realized they don't have smart people in the future to continue operating the technical innovation so this is why they are changing the rules. There is no shortage of people what they have is a country full of uneducated farm hands that has decreased the balance of the educated. “These targeted actions will help American companies meet their critical workforce needs moving forward and is one of a series of key actions needed to address the workforce shortage crisis,” said Jon Baselice, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce's vice president of immigration policy. “

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Why isn't the government encouraging US citizens to enter those programs? 

Graduate level classes in sciences and engineering at US universities have been full of foreign students for the past 20 years. Foreign students started to have visas restricted by Trump, then Covid. so the schools are looking for more money.

Math is hard. Being a social influencer or YouTuber is easier.

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There is no shortage of people what they have is a country full of uneducated farm hands that has decreased the balance of the educated. “

What you are ignoring is the history of immigrants to the US. The first generation arrives poor and uneducated but those immigrants push their children to take advantage of the educational opportunities in the US and go to college. The below link is very typical. In my own immigrant family it was only those in the US who managed to go to a university and earn a degree. I get tired of people disparaging immigrants. They are the hardest working and most appreciative people in the US.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jennifer-rocha-graduation-photo/

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No thanks, I would never go to live in that country, even if the government gave me a house, job, car, scholarship, money, wife, cat and dog.. NEVER !!... Lol..

Lol, they could do worse - some countries are so way down, they don't even make the list

https://www.educations.com/top-10-lists/top-10-places-to-study-abroad-global-18096

Top Countries in the World to Study Abroad in 2022

educations.com Country Rankings

2022

Australia- 83.31

Canada - 81.52

Germany - 79.94

United States - 79.08

Switzerland - 76.30

United Kingdom - 76.22

Netherlands - 73.82

France - 72.16

New Zealand - 68.70

Spain - 68.41

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Too late for both sides. lol Once it was a dream of me to go there. And when the iron curtain fell down I even tried to get a Green card. But at those times they’ve preferred people from those countries they are now trying to keep away from the borders. Now recognizing decades of errors they want new and real expertise from outside? No way, prepare for sinking into the third world swamp as once intentionally wished for and preferred.

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Do they have to pass a CRT test first? LOL

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Do they have to pass a CRT test first? LOL

Cognitive reflection test

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_reflection_test

The cognitive reflection test (CRT) is a task designed to measure a person's tendency to override an incorrect "gut" response and engage in further reflection to find a correct answer. correct "gut" response and engage in further reflection to find a correct answer. It was first described in 2005 by psychologist Shane Frederick.

According to Frederick, there are two general types of cognitive activity called "system 1" and "system 2" (these terms have been first used by Daniel Kahneman). System 1 is executed quickly without reflection, while system 2 requires conscious thought and effort. The cognitive reflection test has three questions that each have an obvious but incorrect response given by system 1. The correct response requires the activation of system 2. For system 2 to be activated, a person must note that their first answer is incorrect, which requires reflection on their own cognition.

Sounds simple enough

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Critical Race Theory

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Critical Race Theory

Ah, but these are tech and science students - the cognitive test makes more sense. ;-p

(Since CRT is out of context outside legal system analysis)

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"The government's National Science Board reported this week that international students on temporary visas account for more than half of U.S. doctoral degrees in economics, computer sciences, engineering and mathematics and statistics."

As far as doing a PhD is concerned, it requires sacrifices and the opportunity cost is too high for an American citizen. Only those who have a passion for their field and demonstrated ability are able to complete their doctorate, and the jobs relevant to your field of research are limited. After completing PhD getting a post doctorate fellowship is another challenge.

Someone who has done his bachelors or masters in a STEM field can get a decent job not necessarily limited to his field of specialization, and they will probably be earning more or almost equal to someone with a PhD. That is the one reason why many Americans shy away from spending 4-5 years of their life on doing a PhD.

In contrast, it is attractive for foreign nationals to enroll in a PhD because they will get paid (research grants, teaching stipends) in USD which will take care of their living expenses and even a somewhat low ranked US university offers better research opportunities than many top ranked universities in other countries.

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There is some truth in what EvilBuddah posts. What stopped me from pursuing a PhD was the necessity of going into debt. I worked my way through a Bachelors and Masters Degrees and graduated debt free with money in the bank both times. It took longer but I wouldn't do it any other way. To pursue a PhD however the programs require you to attend full time and the first two years you are not supposed to work. One program actually told me one was not allowed to work. After the first two years you can student teach or work as a lab assistant. For me it would have meant graduating at close to age 40 (I had a long period of military service between the Bachelors and starting in on the Masters) in debt and unemployed. That didn't sound to appetizing. Being in debt and unemployed at 26 and being being in debt and unemployed at 40 are two entirely different things, and I was accustomed to working, being debt free and having money. So I took my Masters and have a perfectly fine job that I enjoy tremendously and make enough to live comfortably.

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Critical Race Theory

Can't Remember Things :/

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