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Boeing acknowledges flaw in 737 MAX simulator software

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By Luc OLINGA

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The damage has been done.. Hundreds died for Boeing's rush for profits.  I'll never set foot on one of these planes.

And someone from Boeing and another from FAA at a minimum need to be in the dock over this fatal  and avoidable scandal.

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American made products are death traps. Boeing jets crashing and burning. Even worse, babies dying in Fisher Price sleepers. Makes Made in China products look good in comparison .

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Boeing was trying to meet a customer need for no retraining because that was demanded by the customers. They tried and failed.

Also appears that 2 independent software mistakes happened - the flight software AND the flight simulation software. That is extremely odd in my experience writing flight software. I never worked for Boeing.

Where I worked, usually both software builds are believed to be perfect. Having both mask a problem is really, really, unlikely. We used statistical analysis for all levels of our development process to help predict issues before the client every saw any. It was almost magic when the statistics predicted a problem was likely based on peer reviews AND we'd find one or two. The quality of the software delivered to the client was amazing. As a team, only 1 bug would be found every 2 yrs. If you aren't in the software industry, it is hard to understand how amazing that bug rate actually is. Whether Boeing's development process is that good is something only they know, but pretty much all flight control software with human passengers follows similar, proven, development practices.

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Unclear if putting them back into service is going to be anything less than a marketing problem as I don't see how anyone is going to want to fly a plane with a history of fatal accidents. Even if fixed, why take the risk?

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Finally.

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I predict all of us will be flying Boeing 737 MAX soon enough. There are too many of them and not enough substitutes.

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I predict all of us will be flying Boeing 737 MAX soon enough

You can count me out. There's always a choice.

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I am a staunch Boeing guy vs. Airbus but this airplane's software flaw has cost the lives of hundreds of people. I hope that I and none of my loved ones have to fly on these and I want to see genuine apologies, liberal compensation and punitive damages being handed out for the two crashes.

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Wonder if the ex-Microsoft Flight Simulator team could help out Boeing ?

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As for choice of Aircraft... I only ever find out on the day of departure and have no option to cancel.

I don't even get the luxury of choosing between a 737 Max or Jet Ski....

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Boeing.. take a lesson from Trump. (Yes! Sadly in your case, he is absolutely right!).

Rename the 737 Max.. the consequences will be that Pilot training will have to be done from scratch... but that's what you tried to avoid in the first place, by including this aircraft under the 737 banner.. so take it onboard as a bad decision. The 737 Max does not belong within the 737 class of Aircraft... Pilots of 737s cant be expected to seamlessly switch to the 737 Max just like a switch of a button... clearly as has been proven with the loss of several hundred lives that Boeing is STILL in denial over.

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As for Airbus, and other Manufacturers... I hope Boeing's experience may be a lesson to you.

Take short-cuts, blame the Pilots , and you will go down - really down...

Does anyone want to own or fly a Boeing 737 max ?

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The new 737-Max 8/9 aircraft are the most fuel efficient, most maintainable, and have the lowest single-aisle operating costs in the 175 seat market.

Airlines choosing to use the 20 yr old 737-NG designs will be leaving profit behind. Changing to any other aircraft model or line will have high retraining costs for all the pilots to get certified and gain enough hours to fly legally.

If you are a 737 pilot today, would you get into a Max aircraft without knowing exactly how to handle this known issue?

When you buy something like an airliner, or even a car, it isn't like you can take it back months later for a refund. It is yours, so either you make money using it or take a huge loss selling it on the used market, probably while your company is still making payments or in a multi-year lease contract. Airline financing isn't like buying a car or house. Often an aircraft will be re-re-refinanced over the useful life, which is about 30 yrs for commercial airliners.

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Boeing should take MCAS anti-stall software out from 737 MAX. If the 737 MAX has crashed again after it has fixed and then Boeing will be finished.

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I am a staunch Boeing guy vs. Airbus.

I've ridden the new a350 a few times recently, and it's made me into a convert.

Boeing should take MCAS anti-stall software out from 737 MAX

It didn't remove the fire-causing lithium batteries, so I doubt it will do the same with this software. Profits come first at Boeing, safety second.

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The article has avoided clearly spelling out what the problems discovered by the pilots in the sim actually were.

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I've ridden the new a350 a few times recently, and it's made me into a convert.

I've never thought there was sufficient difference between Boeing and Airbus to strongly prefer one over the other. What's going to affect passengers more is the seating configurations that the airlines select, some of the features (entertainment system etc) and the model and age of the aircraft. Even where an Airbus and a Boeing model are broadly comparable, the airline and the age of the aircraft would be more important than most other considerations.

And of course, since we're talking 737 Max, better a shabby old uncomfortable plane that doesn't crash than a new one that does.

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