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They can't bully the US or allies of the US. China has a long history of violating international rules on trade. Too many examples to list them all.

Market principals?

Like requiring all foreign companies have a 51% Chinese partner company in order to do business in China? I know of 1 exception to that rule and that company's owner

Or having state supported industries flood markets with lower cost products for years to put the local industry out of business?

Those market principals?

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Like requiring all foreign companies have a 51% Chinese partner company in order to do business in China?

Or making companies provide the government with blueprints to their products for the right to do business in China.

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This whole separation from China movement began when former US President Trump lost confidence in the ability of the USA to compete with China.

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The Chinese are just irked that they couldn't innovate a piece of plastic dog poo without stealing the tech first.

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The US are just irked by the growing Chinese military. Things change and will continue to change as China grows.

The US banned China and the Chinese from the International Space Station but years later NASA Administrator Bill Nelsonhas told Newsweek that he wishes China would co-operate with the U.S. space agency, in the same way that the Americans have worked with Russia for decades. China has its own space station now.

The U.S. once declared Taiwan as China but flipped throwing Taiwan underneath the bus in 1972 and 1979.

Hongkongers in Britain have called on Suella Braverman to reconsider controversial measures in her public order bill, which they likened to the repressive measures used to crack down on democratic opposition in their home city.

In time, the US controls on technology exports will be seen as a failure and the US will be requesting for market access.

China and Australia trade relations are thawing. Spats don’t last. Money talks.

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China is reaping what it has sowed well time for peaceful agricultural age is round the corner

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China took advantage of US and world support in the 90s to open up to the world and be able to join the WTO. They took everything that was thrown their way, making promises to liberalize fanning the hope of the West that they would move away from authoritarianism. They lead the world on with their "Peaceful Rise" lie, plowing their economic gains into building a military to take down the United States. Their territorial expansion, breaking the first then second island chains, establishing the ridiculous 9-dash line in violation of international legal rulings has awakened the world to the threat that China poses to the region and the world. It is China itself that first employed the "all fronts war" using trade as another part of it's weapons, along with infiltrating and directing public opinion in target countries. Now China doesn't like it when we do the same thing back to them and laughingly call it "abuse".

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This whole separation from China movement began when former US President Trump lost confidence in the ability of the USA to compete with China.

Exactly. The US empire in decline is try to delay the inevitable.

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movement began when former US President Trump lost confidence in the ability of the USA to compete with China.

Exactly. The US empire in decline is try to delay the inevitable.

I would characterize it as not as strong as it once was. China, Russia, and Saudi Arabia have stopped financing the United States, which means that in order to maintain the federal budget deficit, the US has to print money, which is resulting in inflation.

The US is under no threat of losing its role as a superpower, but I do think that by 2030, it will be obvious to everyone that the US is not the only superpower in the world despite the fact that it wants to be.

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The US banned China and the Chinese from the International Space Station but years later NASA Administrator Bill Nelsonhas told Newsweek that he wishes China would co-operate with the U.S. space agency, in the same way that the Americans have worked with Russia for decades. China has its own space station now.

The US Senate (responsible for treaties) banned NASA working with China AFTER China was caught stealing avionics secrets from Loral - a US Space/Satellite company. Loral was fined $20M for their failure. Clinton was President and pushed for the state department exception to allow the Loral Satellite to be launched using Chinese rockets. Google "Chinagate". To ensure that no additional research for the satellite components stolen would be found, China blew it up during launch (unproven). That was an $85M loss. https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/missile/keystories.htm The US satellites had extremely sensitive encryption hardware on-board.

Disclosure: I worked for Loral, but not on that specific satellite.

The U.S. once declared Taiwan as China but flipped throwing Taiwan underneath the bus in 1972 and 1979.

This was the least worse way to get China to engage with the rest of the world. Nobody liked the compromise. Taiwan certainly was screwed, but they were unwilling to change their name and mainland China wanted to be the only "China" in the UN. There were hundreds of other subtle issues worked out in the compromise. After all, Taiwan's largest trading partner is mainland China by far with nearly 30% of all Taiwanese trade. That doesn't count the 14% going to Hong Kong. Mainland China had a big advantage in the compromise.

The US doesn't care about the "superpower" label. We are all in this together trying to have the fairest world for as many humans on it as possible, while leaving countries alone as long as they treat their people and neighbors appropriately.

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LOL cry me a river they can't cheat anymore. Opps I meant steal

China’s government on Monday criticized U.S. controls on technology exports as a trade violation, after Japan and the Netherlands agreed to join Washington in limiting Beijing’s access to materials to make advanced processor chips they say can be used in weapons.

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The chief executive officer of ASML - the overwhelmingly dominant supplier of lithography equipment to the semiconductor industry - warned that China will eventually learn how to make the semiconductor production equipment it cannot import due to sanctions imposed by the US. In an interview with Bloomberg News published on January 25, Peter Wennink said,

“If they cannot get those machines, they will develop them themselves. That will take time, but ultimately they will get there.”

“The more you put them under pressure, the more likely it is that they will double up their efforts.”

This has been true with the space station and GPS from which they were also blocked. They’ll just go and make their own. This is not denying or condoning the theft of technology. Decoupling is not the answer because you will have essentially created an even bigger monster.

The CEO of ASML implies something more: that the sanctions may lead to the creation of what the US is trying to prevent – an independent Chinese semiconductor industry. 

No matter what happened next, that independent Chinese semiconductor industry is now a given.

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The Communist Party has invested billions of dollars to develop its own chip industry, but its vendors still need foreign manufacturing equipment, raw materials and other technology.

Hey CCP, you want to be the 'Great Proletarian Marxist People's Republic of China' so damn bad then why don't you build your own chips yourself? You're the second largest nation in the world with over a billion in population, yet you're crying for technology to steal. Never mind the cyberattacks on Western industrial factories, trying to steal industrial secrets.

kaimycahlJan. 31  11:31 pm JST

LOL cry me a river they can't cheat anymore. Opps I meant steal

China’s government on Monday criticized U.S. controls on technology exports as a trade violation, after Japan and the Netherlands agreed to join Washington in limiting Beijing’s access to materials to make advanced processor chips they say can be used in weapons.

WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH. CCP, stick it where the sun don't shine - cuz we don't want to hear it!

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