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Critics warn of Apple, Google 'chokepoint' repression

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Don’t let people physically congregate anymore, all communication, socializing, data & information passing through One, or two sources? Where have we read this before? Fiction? Science Fiction?

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Yes, the 2020 US election was a glaring example of tech censorship interfering with the Democratic process including censorship of the sitting President!

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So they're not complaining about doing it in the West, just when their enemies block them out elsewhere

Get off Big Tech and set up parallel structures... while you still can

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The tech companies can distance themselves from content using distributed topologies. They have been too lazy to adopt them but really need to.

Services like social media need to switch to self-censorship, so users can decide what they want to see, and providers are no longer forced to act as pan-/national censors by proxy.

Microsoft also has a certification procedure, so it also acts as a gatekeeper. Google, Apple and Microsoft need to move to a hybrid model where folk can release software for their platforms through their stores (offering official certification), via an alternate platform or directly.

This loosening of control will allow them to obey local laws without being forced to act as censors. Users can make their own decisions should they wish to obtain software from third parties and run it.

Governments need to be careful when legislating here, to ensure they do not break things they are trying to fix, by listening to activists with tunnel vision or the authoritarian desires of their own security services.

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If you do not like it, make your own tech company.

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Nobody, but I mean NOBODY, is talking about how both Google and Apple banned an innocent vote suggesting app created by jailed Russian dissident Alexei Navalny ON ELECTION DAY at the request of the cheating Putin government.

How convenient! And how wonderful that the press mostly refuses to even cover such censorship episodes for Google and Apple...it's almost as if they're not helping autocrats maintain their unfair advantages whenever possible. Remember, the domestic Russian equivalent, Telegram, only shut down their Navalny aps AFTER the Global "responsible" companies quickly capitulated to the pressure easily enough at first...

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When people demand that laws be put in place to stop "misinformation" than tech companies have no choice but to complain.

The people at fault here are the ones who keep chanting "stop disinformation" etc.

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Concerned Citizen

Yes, the 2020 US election was a glaring example of tech censorship interfering with the Democratic process including censorship of the sitting President!

It wasn't censorship. The president got banned because he broke the rules. If Biden or others broke those rules, they would be banned too.

The right think they are targeted. They are not. They just tend to break the rules more. Whatever happened to taking responsibility for your own actions.

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Google and Apple aren't to be blamed here. If you want the situation to get better, then vote Putin out. Of course, that won't work because Putin has rigged the system. And part of that rigging is to force Google and Apple to remove the app.

In this case, the blame falls fare and square on Putin.

"As long as Apple maintains a stranglehold over what software millions of people (use)... the App Store will continue to be a convenient chokepoint for government censorship and crackdowns on dissent,"

Actually, no. Because Google allows sideloading of Apps and the situation is the same for Android phones.

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 including censorship of the sitting President!

of a president that continued to state lies that were verifiable, and was banned because he refused to stop stating those lies. Private companies aren't covered under the 1st amendement, that only applies to government entities, proven time and again in court. dont like their terms and conditions then dont use them.

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Nobody, but I mean NOBODY, is talking about how both Google and Apple banned an innocent vote suggesting app created by jailed Russian dissident Alexei Navalny

Probably wasn't that innocent, was it? Navalny is a known crook, not surprising.

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I'd rather Apple and Google have control than the situation it was in Japan with Docomo, AU and SoftBank having control pushing the tie-ins and multitude of substandard non-cross platform services with no accoutability. One of the best things Apple did was give Docomo the finger when they wanted to install all their tie-in rubbish on iPhones.

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It wasn't censorship. The president got banned because he broke the rules..

It was far far more than mere censorship, where-in a parallel media platform was completely taken out, and who makes these rules, these firms are all but left aligned and that's why he was banned.

dont like their terms and conditions then dont use them.

Well they have protection via section 230, those terms and conditions makes no sense as they are not liable on what is posted on there platforms.. and he was not using them..but another platform which itself was taken out.

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mrtinjp

It wasn't censorship. The president got banned because he broke the rules..

It was far far more than mere censorship, where-in a parallel media platform was completely taken out, and who makes these rules, these firms are all but left aligned and that's why he was banned.

Actually, Facebook is more right leaning, but it doesn't matter because that is not what is happening here. The right vehemently think that it is their politics that causes these bans. It isn't honey. It's not all about you. It's because you broke the rules.

Well they have protection via section 230, those terms and conditions makes no sense as they are not liable on what is posted on there platforms.. and he was not using them..but another platform which itself was taken out.

Yes, they have that protection and it's interesting that the right would want to take that away. However, this is bigger than being sued. Social media platforms have to be responsible and consider the overall effects of their platforms on society. While I would have banned the former president years ago, Twitter waited to give him the benefit of the doubt,

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The current system of anti-trust litigation is based on how much market share a single company has within the specific economy, but it does not take into account the market share a company has globally. Comcast is arguably a far more powerful foe than Vodafone, despite the latter having a larger market share in the UK. It is important for a anti-trust regulator to take into account how much market share a company has on the global stage as well, because we live in a globalised world.

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If you want to avoid censorship and government spying and control, you really must stop relying upon profit first companies like Google and Facebook. Try these two options instead.

https://freenetproject.org/index.html

https://www.torproject.org/

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the situation it was in Japan with Docomo, AU and SoftBank having control

Don't forget EO net with service as fast as 10Gb/s for around 6,000 yen per month

Internet in Japan is much faster and cheaper. Also, they have adopted net neutrality (the thing that Trump hates because Obama likes it). They have control, but they have regulation and it is treated as a utility in Japan. I'll take one of those three (and I do) over Comcast any day.

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Really the big tech companies are so powerful because people make them powerful. How about making your own ISP and search engines?

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