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High-fat flight is first jetliner to make fossil-fuel-free transatlantic crossing from London to NY

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“The world will always assume something can’t be done, until you do it,

Well, that's grandstanding the issue. It has been widely reported that near zero emissions flight is feasible. It's a question of if the fat cats want to support it or not as highlighted by this comment

though large hurdles remain in making the fuel widely available.

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If you want to 'just stop oil', you'll need to replace it with something at scale, across the board - from jet fuel and electrical power through to the everyday products that use fossil derivatives it as an ingredient, hopefully with lower full-life emissions. If you want to grow stuff to do this and switch from fossil to bio, you'll need lots of land for it. Will this actually deliver a lower environmental impact or just a different impact? Humanity will always generate emissions and impact upon the environment from birth to death (and after with cremation). All species do. The greatest reduction in environmental impact that humanity can achieve may simply be not having kids. Logically, that makes contraception one of our greatest weapons to fight climate change.

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The demand for tallow, as used in this flight, will provide a nice revenue stream for the beef industry and support ranchers around in many countries.

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Finally. An airline that accommodates fat people. By turning them into efficient fuel.

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"tallow and other waste fats."

Will vegans take these flights?

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Will vegans take these flights?

I assume so.

They are not physically consuming the said waste and it clearly makes environmental sense.

Many vegans wear leather shoes and use air-fryers (no lard)

Will you take these flights?

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Vegans do not wear leather shoes or any animal products. They do not consume any animal products. There is a wide range of footwear made from organic and synthetic materials.

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Vegans do not wear leather shoes or any animal products. They do not consume any animal products.

Are you vegan?

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The US Navy started flying Super Hornets on a 50/50 blend of biofuel and regular JP5 way back in 2010 and by 2016 was flying a Growler, the electronic attack version of the Super Hornet on 100% biofuel.

https://www.navaltoday.com/2016/09/19/us-navy-growler-flies-on-100-percent-biofuel/

https://www.navair.navy.mil/node/10611

The US Navy is increasingly using biofuels to power their surface ships.

https://energydigital.com/renewable-energy/us-navy-sails-12000-miles-algae-biofuel

Twenty five years ago when I was still in grad school and driving fuel tank trucks all night to pay my way I was frequently hauling biofuel blends to the Marines at Camp Pendleton for their ground equipment.

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"tallow and other waste fats."

Will vegans take these flights?

It'd be too woke for them surely? Guess they'll be travelling by sea.

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@Desert Tortoise

Bet you saw some tasty waves from Pendleton.

We were running Ford Transits on chip fat back in the '90s.

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Progress of a sort, but the smallest tip of the iceberg really.

Problem is that the world's top scientists and technologists are just not working hard enough (or smart enough ) to develop the future for synthetic fuels, e-fuels or bio-fuels.

Far too much time and money has been wasted on wars that are totally unnecessary, and pandemics which are totally avoidable.

Mankind needs to wake up and realise the insane wastefulness of our rapidly dwindling resources on this planet.

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How about not taking plane flights which are increasingly unnecessary these days?

Much better for the environment

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Stopping 100% of the private planes would be a great start. But then, we do not want to upset the very wealthy 1% or the politicians do we.

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Problem is that the world's top scientists and technologists are just not working hard enough (or smart enough ) to develop the future for synthetic fuels, e-fuels or bio-fuels.

The global maritime industry is leading the way developing engines that will use ammonia, hydrogen or a blend of the two to power variants of existing big diesel engines or perhaps fuel cells. Both Wartsila and Mitsubishi have such test engines running today. Bunkering ships and barges for hydrogen and ammonia refueling are being built. Green methanol fueled ships are already at sea today. There are other firms testing hydrogen powered jet engines. The Soviets tested one way back in the 1980s but didn't go forward with its development despite a successful test program. The use of biofuels may not be necessary considering the rapid progress developing hydrogen and ammonia fueled engines.

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@Desert Tortoise

Bet you saw some tasty waves from Pendleton.

Sadly I worked at night so there wasn't much visual enjoyment. But loading the truck smelled good (:

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Stopping 100% of the private planes would be a great start. But then, we do not want to upset the very wealthy 1% or the politicians do we.

I don't know about Japan but in the US there is large general aviation sector of not all that wealthy individuals who own and fly small single engine airplanes for enjoyment. Often people rent their planes to local flight schools to cover the costs of insurance and maintenance so they can enjoy flying on the weekend. Instead of a fancy car or motor home they have a small airplane. Someone with a professional income, like an engineer for example, can afford this. You don't have to be super wealthy. I would hate to see a government ban this activity.

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