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Huawei sells folding smartphone with no Google after U.S. ban

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Google bit its own foot by refusing to do business with Huawei.

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BB, did you read this fact?

Huawei smartphones sold in China already use local music and other apps because Google services aren’t licensed by Beijing.

It's not Google but China that's biting it's own foot.

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China's tech strategy: Protect, Steal, Copy, Compete!

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Hmm... I'm not exactly a guy that supports C-tech and it's conpanies, but I'll have to admit, their folding implementation is far better than Samsung's. Heck, I'm surprised Samsung didn't get sued for essentially selling a flawed product. "First gen tech" my rear, a product should go to the market only when it's at least fully finalized, if not perfected.

Curious to see that rumoured Xperia rollable, and also Sharp's foldable.

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I wonder is the spyware in it optional or built right into the firmware?

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TawkeeoToday  10:39 am JST

Hmm... I'm not exactly a guy that supports C-tech and it's conpanies, but I'll have to admit, their folding implementation is far better than Samsung's. Heck, I'm surprised Samsung didn't get sued for essentially selling a flawed product. "First gen tech" my rear, a product should go to the market only when it's at least fully finalized, if not perfected.

Curious to see that rumoured Xperia rollable, and also Sharp's foldable.

A lot of people agree with this, but get drowned out by bots/fake social media accounts retweeting hype over what is a flawed implementation.

Motorola also have a (I thnk) far better hinge solution with the Razr, it also looks like the old school Razr phones from the 2000s which is nice.

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American paranoia has prevented the spread of 5G technology.

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Huawei would have trouble selling this outside China - people rely so much on their familiar apps, which will be missing here

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I wonder is the spyware in it optional or built right into the firmware?

You think Google isn't cooperating with US spy agencies to spy on your phone? It's simply a matter of choosing who you prefer to be spying on you. A country in which you are a citizen, or that holds sway over a country in which you are a citizen? Or a country that has no potential hold on you at all?

The sensible thing is for an American to use a Chinese phone, and for Chinese to use an American (or Korean, or Japanese) phone.

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Hllclimber, oh yeah totally forgot about that! That's also a really good implementation, and a great way to resurrect the RAZR brand. Actually it might be the best so far, considering that, the point of these foldables is to get a smaller-footprint device but with the same big smartphone screen.

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The Huawei Mate X is a work of art and has no competition as there is nothing else on the market that comes close in design and performance.

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@Tawkeeo

but I'll have to admit, their folding implementation is far better than Samsung's.

Which one are you talking about, the Lenovo Moto Razr or the Huawei Mate X?

If Huawei Mate X, the answer is no. This one is a spectacular failure and will be forgotten in a couple of years.

If Lenovo Moto Razr, then the answer is debatable, as this design has yet to prove its durability in the real world. The Moto Razr is exposed to same set of problems that caused problems for Samsung Galaxy Fold, such as the gap between the screen and the chassis that lets debris ingress due to screen lifting. Samsung fixed this problem with a screen cap, but a screen cap is impossible on the Moto Razr due to the fact that the screen slides up and down during folding and unfolding, while it is tightly fixed on the Galaxy Fold.

Furthermore, the Moto Razr's hinge design doesn't allow wide screens; it's only for narrow screens.

I am sure someone will do 200K fold/unfold test on the Moto Razr and see when the Moto Razr's hinge fails. On Samsung Galaxy Fold, the hinge stunningly outlast the fold/unfold test machine when the test machine broke down at 120K folds.

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I wonder is the spyware in it optional or built right into the firmware?

The current strategy for C-Tech companies is not to place spyware directly on their devices. That is only for technology sold with China. For technology abroad, the strategy is offer technology with minimal security. They contain either hardware or software that have known security issues. They offer to provide update patches but never do. Therefore, if they are caught, they can easily deny the accusation because it wasn't their own backdoor, but one that already existed.

New Research Paper on Security Concerns Related to Huawei, 5G, and Chinese Technology

https://ccdcoe.org/news/2019/new-research-paper-on-security-concerns-related-to-huawei-5g-and-chinese-technology/

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Paid Samsung advertisement quoted below:

Samit BasuToday  06:13 am JST

@Tawkeeo

but I'll have to admit, their folding implementation is far better than Samsung's.

Which one are you talking about, the Lenovo Moto Razr or the Huawei Mate X?

If Huawei Mate X, the answer is no. This one is a spectacular failure and will be forgotten in a couple of years.

It will be forgotten just as the Galaxy will. What a massive failure for Samsung, who tried way too hard to 'be the first' only to get egg on its face.

If Lenovo Moto Razr, then the answer is debatable, as this design has yet to prove its durability in the real world. The Moto Razr is exposed to same set of problems that caused problems for Samsung Galaxy Fold, such as the gap between the screen and the chassis that lets debris ingress due to screen lifting. Samsung fixed this problem with a screen cap, but a screen cap is impossible on the Moto Razr due to the fact that the screen slides up and down during folding and unfolding, while it is tightly fixed on the Galaxy Fold.

You keep mentioning Lenovo like they had anything to do with the development. They didn't. A 5 second read of Motorola Mobility's wiki page will tel lthe truth:

"Lenovo maintained a "hands-off" approach in regards to Motorola's product development. Head designer Jim Wicks explained that "Google had very little influence and Lenovo has been the same."

Furthermore, the Moto Razr's hinge design doesn't allow wide screens; it's only for narrow screens.

This is superfluous as the Razr is a narrow screen phone. A wide screen will utilise something else.

I am sure someone will do 200K fold/unfold test on the Moto Razr and see when the Moto Razr's hinge fails. On Samsung Galaxy Fold, the hinge stunningly outlast the fold/unfold test machine when the test machine broke down at 120K folds.

This is pure advertorial fluff that can't be proved or disproved. It's what companies release when they are in full damage control. Samsung is the best in the world at damage control as they've had the most practice out of anyone.

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U.S. accusations the company might facilitate Chinese spying. The Trump administration is lobbying European and other allies to exclude Huawei equipment

Maybe we should also exclude USA made stuff to avoid Homeland spying on USA allies

Which country does not spy on Friends and Foe ?

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Which country does not spy on Friends and Foe ?

So we should all just lay down and ignore violations of our privacy?

That’s what the people in dictatorships are conditioned to do.

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Hmm... I'm not exactly a guy that supports C-tech and it's conpanies, but I'll have to admit, their folding implementation is far better than Samsung's.

As for actual use I dont think so, your screen is screwed. You'd have to fold it up then put it in a case or pouch to put it in your pocket. The Razr is kinda cool but saw a couple of hands on videos and...yeah pass.

But the good thing is this tech will get cheaper and better so I'm looking forward to the next ones.

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I just don't get this folding fad, sure new tech is interesting etc, I get that but so many drawbacks for little gain. Bottom line: a weak screen in this day and age is a very bad idea

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