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A health disaster waiting to happen.

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How about testing the possible dangerous health effects of millimeter wave radiation first?

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Its going to happen, regardless of your concerns. Move on.

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A health disaster waiting to happen.

Yes, it's looking that way. Insurance companies tend not to do business with telecom companies now and the telecom companies themselves have been warning investors that they many eventually be held liable for harm caused by their devices and transmitters.

The insurer, Swiss Re, has classified 5G as a 'high impact' risk and earlier this year they put out a report stating that "Existing concerns regarding potential negative health effects from electromagnetic fields (EMF) are only likely to increase. An uptick in liability claims could be a potential long-term consequence. … interruption and subversion of the 5G platform could trigger catastrophic, cumulative damage.”

In February, telecom execs admitted in the US congress that they had NO scientific evidence to show that 5G is safe. There is a boatload of studies and evidence to show that it's a dangerous technology though.

Interesting that the 5G "service" is starting in places like rural areas first rather than just 'upgrading' in urban areas like they did with the previous generations. I guess they'll be the guinea pigs ... or canaries. (Not really 'upgrading' because it's a new tech.)

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5g will save more lives than it takes. ....

Like all technology.

Its coming if you like it or not so don't give yourself health problems worrying about it.

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Been talk of problems from RF radiation for donkeys years. There’s been lots of assertions and misinformation but in fact there’s no evidence to suggest any health risk.

The Swiss Re report earlier in the year discusses the political, cyber and espionage risks. The health risks it discusses were also faced by the 3G and 4G implementations. The WHO notes RF radiation as a potential health hazard (possibly carcinogenic to humans). However a potential hazard that never manifests represents no risk.

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Someone said watching TV was dangerous. I'll wait for it to be proven safe before I start watching.

Or not...

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Been talk of problems from RF radiation for donkeys years. There’s been lots of assertions and misinformation but in fact there’s no evidence to suggest any health risk.

So no evidence to suggest any health risk? Did you hear that on ABCNNBCBS? The same used to be said about smoking and asbestos.

The difference between 5G and earlier generations is that 5G uses a millimetre wave and the body absorbs the energy just like a microwave oven to cook your food. It operates at frequencies between 10 and 100 times higher than what 3 and 4G cell tower transmitters operate at. On the other hand the lower down the spectrum you go the more chance it has of benignly passing through you, like AM or FM radio waves. Same for TV.

The sweat ducts in the skin act as an antenna to 5G and it was the military who first developed 5G as a crowd control weapon. Anyone targeted will feel as if their skin is on fire. Not saying that is how it will be used (although it can be), only to point out the risk of this tech.

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GreenPeas, no I looked for the results of credible research and found nothing other than unsupported assertions and claims. Like yours.

Microwave radiation in an oven is high powered and set at a frequency (2.4GHz) that resonates with the atoms of water molecules. They are emitted from different directions to form standing waves which excite the water molecules to heat your frozen dinner. 5G frequencies are 410MHz to 7125MHz and 24.25GHz to 52.6GHz and low power (hence the requirement for more transmitters). To the best of anyone’s knowledge, these frequencies don’t resonate with atoms within the human body and are transmitted rather than focussed so no, people cannot be cooked as you assert. Also, far as I can tell it’s only ionising radiation that impacts DNA when passing through or being absorbed. Radio is not ionising radiation.

Always willing to alter my thinking when presented with good evidence but remain sceptical enough to fact check.

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SwissToni

You said you found nothing other than unsupported assertions and claims but did you find any studies showing 5G to be safe? There is an appeal to the UN by 252 EMF scientists (currently) who are calling for greater health protection on EMF exposure because they believe it is not safe. The person who started the appeal has "over 30 years of experience conducting EMF research at Colombia University and served as the president of the Bioelectromagnetics Society." - ie; not an amateur so shouldn't these people be listened to before a potentially dangerous technology is rolled out?

https://vimeo.com/123468632

The letter’s signatories also say much of the research saying EMF is safe is commissioned and paid for by telecom companies.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/health-experts-say-cancer-threat-from-cell-phones-is-greater-than-we-think-162857426.html

To the best of anyone’s knowledge, these frequencies don’t resonate with atoms within the human body and are transmitted rather than focussed so no, people cannot be cooked as you assert.

Not according to guy in the video below who was a former royal navy microwave weapons expert.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2DSKl1ts0w  (ignore the visuals - nothing to do with the interview).

"To the best of anyone's knowledge..." - Think you meant 'to the best of MY knowledge or what I could find'!? Neither of us has a crystal ball nor immune to the massive amount of spin and effects of lobbying these days.

Also, far as I can tell it’s only ionising radiation that impacts DNA when passing through or being absorbed.

Non-ionising radiation also damages DNA.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/8606104/Mobile-phones-cause-five-fold-increase-in-brain-cancer-risk.html

Resonance: Beings of Frequency

https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/resonance-beings-frequency/

Mobilize - Official Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBVJ05u_o5I

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There are not any studies on the dangers of 5G to show its safety.

The risks to health are unknown...

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GreenPeas, 5G systems sit on the shoulders of all the work previously done on earlier communications systems by hundreds of thousands of engineers and scientists. Radio is well understood. The problem is you’re conflating high power, low power, RFR, EMF, microwaves, mobile phones and selected out of context pseudoscientific blah blah from conspiracy theorists and concluding mobile phones will cook people’s brains. You’re doing the 2 + 2 = 5 thing.

The 252 scientists appeal to the U.N. is about the levels of unnatural radio, microwave and EMF emissions in the background which they see as increasing further with 5G and are calling for more research. They are not calling for a stop to the 5G roll out. So far any increase in cancers and other problems due to radio emissions and EMF, if there are any, have been so insignificant as to be unquantifiable. Particularly in the face of the more obvious carcinogens from fossil fuels.

None of this is to say that life is perfect and some new horror won’t be unearthed. That is why research continues. But to say mobile phones act like microwaves on the brain and to insist 5G is a health disaster waiting to happen is uninformed claptrap.

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Radio is well understood.

Yes, that's why there is a strong movement against implementing 5G without thorough testing beforehand.

selected out of context pseudoscientific blah blah from conspiracy theorists and concluding mobile phones will cook people’s brains.

Nothing in my post was associated with "pseudoscientific blah blah" and "conspiracy theorists". Those phrases are dismissive and a cheap shot used to shoot down any view different to your own.

The 252 scientists appeal to the U.N. is about the levels of unnatural radio, microwave and EMF emissions in the background which they see as increasing further with 5G and are calling for more research.

Nonsense, it has nothing to do with... "unnatural radio, microwave and EMF emissions in the background increasing with 5G". They are specifically talking about the effects of 4G and 5G antennas using higher frequencies etc. From their website. 

"The Advisors to the International EMF Scientist Appeal, representing 248 scientists from 42 nations, have resubmitted The Appeal to the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) Executive Director, ... requesting the UNEP reassess the potential biological impacts of next generation 4G and 5G telecommunication technologies to plants, animals and humans.

There is particular urgency at this time as new antennas will be densely located throughout residential neighborhoods using much higher frequencies, with greater biologically disruptive pulsations, more dangerous signaling characteristics, plus transmitting equipment on, and inside, homes and buildings. The Advisors to The Appeal recommend UNEP seriously weigh heavily the findings of the independent, non-industry associated EMF science"

The scientists who have signed the appeal have all "published peer-reviewed papers on the biological or health effects of non-ionizing electromagnetic fields, part of the electromagnetic field (EMF) spectrum that includes extremely low frequency fields (ELF) emitted by electrical devices; and, radiofrequency radiation (RFR), used for wireless communications."

https://emfscientist.org/

They are not calling for a stop to the 5G roll out.

Never said that. I said "(they) are calling for greater health protection on EMF exposure"

So far any increase in cancers and other problems due to radio emissions and EMF, if there are any, have been so insignificant as to be unquantifiable.

Again, there's no way that you can know that. If there have not been any extensive studies on this then how would you know? Looks like you're projecting and have taken a page from the book on pseudoscientific blah blah that you accused me of. Try something different instead of making stuff up as you go along. Links to stats and research from independent sources would be a good start.

But to say mobile phones act like microwaves on the brain and to insist 5G is a health disaster waiting to happen is uninformed claptrap.

"Uninformed claptrap" - projecting again? There's very little that you have written here which shows me you are informed as you pretend to be.

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GreenPeas, I guess when you can’t refute my statements you attack me. No studies provide absolute certainty, including those submitted by your 252 scientists, but there is no suggestion anywhere of the impending health disaster of which you speak.

The uninformed claptrap to which I refer, “5G uses a millimetre wave and the body absorbs the energy just like a microwave oven to cook your food”, could possibly be called misinformed claptrap if you prefer, other than that I stand by the statement.

There are many hundreds of studies published in respectable journals for you to seek out. No study is perfect and the research goes on. But we know what we know and that is that low power radio is not ionising, doesn’t cause cancer and isn’t mutagenic. Research and testing has shown 5G to be safe enough to roll out.

Cancer Research UK

4G or 5G networks rely on radio waves to work just like older mobile phone networks. The difference with 4G or 5G networks is that they use higher frequency waves than older mobile networks, but they still don’t have enough energy to damage DNA to cause cancer. 

US Department of Health National Cancer Institute

The only consistently recognized biological effect of radiofrequency radiation in humans is heating. Radiofrequency exposure from cell phone use does cause heating to the area of the body where a cell phone or other device is held (e.g., the ear and head). However, it is not sufficient to measurably increase body temperature. There are no other clearly established effects on the human body from radiofrequency radiation.

The Million Women Study

During 7 years’ follow-up, 51 680 incident invasive cancers and 1 261 incident intracranial CNS tumours occurred. Risk among ever vs never users of mobile phones was not increased for all intracranial CNS tumours, for specified CNS tumour types nor for cancer at 18 other specified sites. For long-term users compared with never users, there was no appreciable association for glioma.

Lönn S, Forssén U, Vecchia P, Ahlbom A, Feychting M. Output power levels from mobile phones in different geographical areas; implications for exposure assessment. Occupational and Environmental Medicine 2004.

The Interphone Study. International Agency for Research on Cancer (part of the WHO).

Johansen C, Boice J Jr, McLaughlin J, Olsen J. Cellular telephones and cancer: a nationwide cohort study in Denmark. Journal of the National Cancer Institute 2001; and it’s update, Frei P, Poulsen AH, Johansen C, et al. Use of mobile phones and risk of brain tumours: update of Danish cohort study. British Medical Journal 2011.

Inskip PD, Hoover RN, Devesa SS. Brain cancer incidence trends in relation to cellular telephone use in the United States. Neuro-Oncology 2010.

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The uninformed claptrap to which I refer, “5G uses a millimetre wave and the body absorbs the energy just like a microwave oven to cook your food”, could possibly be called misinformed claptrap if you prefer, other than that I stand by the statement.

Excerpt; 5G radiation is similar to the waves used to cook food in your microwave. Because of that, in 2016, Dr. Yael Stein of Jerusalem's Hebrew University sent a letter to the FCC Commissioners, the U.S. Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions, and the U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation, outlining the effect of 5G radiation on human skin.

https://ehtrust.org/letter-fcc-dr-yael-stein-md-opposition-5g-spectrum-frontiers/

According to Dr. Stein, over ninety percent of microwave radiation is absorbed by the epidermis and dermis layers of human skin, essentially making it an absorbing sponge for microwave radiation. Also, the sweat ducts in our skin's upper layer act like helical antennas, which are antennas specially designed to respond to electromagnetic fields. In essence, our bodies will conduct 5G radiation, and how this will affect babies, pregnant women, and the elderly is not known.

In fact, the U.S. Department of Defense already has a weapon called the Active Denial System, that uses MMWs to make people's skin feel like it’s stinging or burning. Turned up a notch, this weapon could microwave people to death. -- interestingengineering.com

In that comment I also wrote: "The sweat ducts in the skin act as an antenna to 5G..."

Is my comment still uninformed or misinformed claptrap? It was based on the letter above as well reading about the directed energy weapon mentioned that uses millimetre waves. The potential for harm and even lethality of this tech may only be a matter of time. Hence the reason for a trial period.

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There is also this:

The human skin as a sub-THz receiver - Does 5G pose a danger to it or not?

.... Starting from July 2016 the US Federal Communications Commission (FCC) has adopted new rules for wireless broadband operations above 24 GHz (5 G). This trend of exploitation is predicted to expand to higher frequencies in the sub-THz region. One must consider the implications of human immersion in the electromagnetic noise, caused by devices working at the very same frequencies as those, to which the sweat duct (as a helical antenna) is most attuned. We are raising a warning flag against the unrestricted use of sub-THz technologies for communication, before the possible consequences for public health are explored.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29459303

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5G is just another tool to make you buy a new phone to connect to phone companies who will charge you more money because they say they have to invest to bring you a service that will not be any more reliable, but they think you're so stupid that you'll buy a new phone and pay more to watch short Instagram videos faster and get tweets faster... maybe.

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GreenPeas, my earlier response was a little impatient and appears to have been removed. In answer to your question, yes it is and I refer you to my previous posts to explain why.

And just to reinforce my point, the Active Denial System operates at different frequencies to 5G phone systems and also at high power.

The basic physics is that different atoms resonate at different frequencies. The resonance frequencies of atoms is known, as is the make up of the human body. This information is used to decide frequencies and power ratings during design. The many massive cohort studies done across the world to date back this up.

To others reading this and who may have questions. Don't just accept the hyperbole, do some balanced research.

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