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Japanese firms prefer to use 5G networks of domestic carriers

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How long before Japanese 5G technology becomes available. South Korea is already using it.

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In terms of 5G-related patents, Chinese firms hold an overwhelmingly dominant position. But it will be difficult to adopt them given the possibility of a leakage of information," a machinery maker manager wrote in the May 8-17 survey

Wed have to pay royalties to the Chinese anyhow.

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Owner does not want the company secret to be stolen. It is only companies under CCP that don't worry about that.

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This is hilarious, the CCP had no problems banning foreign tech in Chinar but threaten their Huawei sweetheart and now they start complaining about injustice.

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You can understand the dangers by reading the "Huawei Controversy Timeline".

https://www.computerworlduk.com/security/huawei-controversies-timeline-3692840/

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Huawei owns most of the 5G technology, can't go forward without it in some way.

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There are no domestic carriers with 5G.

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Looks like there is an opportunity to develop a new technology!

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@zichi: the article already answered to your question. Japanese 5G technology will be ready next year.

Like the article said, China 5G technology is superior to everyone. In my opinion, this is the only reason why the US asked to boycott Huawei. I bet if China hadn't had this technology superiority, nobody would have spoken about China spying everyone and stuff.

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Alex80

@zichi: the article already answered to your question. Japanese 5G technology will be ready next year.

The articles says so but we'll have to see if they achieve it and will still in part have to use licensed Huawei technology.

Trump stated this week, Huawei could be part of the trade talks so the situation could change.

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 It underlined the fact that Japan is lagging other countries such as South Korea and the United States that have already begun rolling out 5G services.

Why is Japan lagging behind USA, South Korea, and Chiba in 5G? Article doesn’t say.

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In my opinion, this is the only reason why the US asked to boycott Huawei. I bet if China hadn't had this technology superiority, nobody would have spoken about China spying everyone and stuff.

Or there is the possibly that Chinese 5G technology has backdoors like other Chinese government backed companies and industries and could be used by the Chinese government to steal data or disable countries. They have already identify issue with Chinese 5G technology.

‘Hidden backdoors’ were found in Huawei equipment, reports Bloomberg

https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/30/18523701/huawei-vodafone-italy-security-backdoors-vulnerabilities-routers-core-network-wide-area-local

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Why is Japan lagging behind USA, South Korea, and China in 5G? Article doesn’t say.

5G features is..

High-speed communication (peak data rate 10 Gbps or more), low delay (1 ms or less), high reliability, simultaneous connection of multiple terminals (1 million units), low cost and power saving (network cost reduction / IOT terminal support)

The cost and technical hurdles of using these 5G technologies all in one network at one time are high.

In addition, it is thought that there are not many scenes where all these functions are used.

In Japan, since 4G networks already cover most of the residential areas, we do not think it is necessary to introduce them immediately.

Currently, 5G compatible mobile phones that are commercially available do not meet 100% of the 5G standard.

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There are two different 5Gs. One is defined by technology, and the other is defined by stupidity.

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Kenji Fujimori wrote:

In terms of 5G-related patents, Chinese firms hold an overwhelmingly dominant position. But it will be difficult to adopt them given the possibility of a leakage of information," a machinery maker manager wrote in the May 8-17 survey

Wed have to pay royalties to the Chinese anyhow.

Better to just pay money than to pay money and have your secrets stolen!

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quercetum wrote (on May 26 05:18 pm JST)

Why is Japan lagging behind USA, South Korea, and Chiba in 5G? Article doesn’t say.

If you continued reading the next paragraph, you would have found this:

Roughly nine out of 10 firms have not secured enough engineers who can deal with cutting-edge technologies such as artificial intelligence (AI) and Internet of Things (IoT).

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This is a strange and confusing article.

Japanese companies do not choose whose 5G equipment to use, Japanese telcos do. Yes, Japanese companies can choose LAN and WiFi equipment, but these aren't called 5G.

As for Japan's four telcos, they already vowed to not use Chinese equipment, leaving Japan's 5G equipment in the hands of Ericsson, Nokia, and Samsung.

As for traditional Japanese telco equipment vendor Fujitsu and NEC; they have fallen behind foreign competitors so much that they agreed to act as resellers of foreign 5G equipment; Fujitsu will resell Ericsson's 5G equipment while NEC will resell Samsung's. Call this the act of putting a friendly Japanese face on otherwise foreign equipment.

https://www.ericsson.com/en/press-releases/2018/10/fujitsu-and-ericsson-team-up-on-5g-partnership

Fujitsu and Ericsson team up on 5G partnership

https://www.zdnet.com/article/samsung-and-nec-announce-5g-partnership/

Samsung and NEC announce 5G partnership

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@zichi

How long before Japanese 5G technology becomes available. South Korea is already using it.

Japan has little stake in 5G technology; the current 5G standard was essentially agreed between Chinese, Koreans, Americans, and Europeans.

As for Japan's 5G launch date, it is schedule around the 2020 Tokyo Olympics.

Sadly, almost all 5G phones available at the time of Japan's 5G launch will be either Korean or Chinese.

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As for traditional Japanese telco equipment vendor Fujitsu and NEC; they have fallen behind foreign competitors so much that they agreed to act as resellers of foreign 5G equipment; Fujitsu will resell Ericsson's 5G equipment while NEC will resell Samsung's.

It's weird - you made the above statement so confidently, and even seemed willing to support it by providing links. Except that neither of the links you provided support the assertion you made. So for anyone to takes the time to read your links, we're wondering what you were talking about, since it doesn't appear you read the links yourself. It leaves one thinking that you probably made up that assertion that I quoted, without expecting anyone would actually cross-reference it to the links you posted.

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Sadly, almost all 5G phones available at the time of Japan's 5G launch will be either Korean or Chinese.

But the one that the majority will buy, will be American - the iphone.

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@Strangerland

OK.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Business-deals/Fujitsu-and-Ericsson-to-join-forces-on-5G-base-stations

TOKYO -- Fujitsu and Ericsson will team up to develop and manufacture base stations for fifth-generation wireless communications, creating an immediate rival for the just-announced partnership between Samsung Electronics and NEC.

Tokyo-based Fujitsu is expected to sign a memorandum of understanding with its new Swedish partner as early as this week. The two will jointly develop equipment used in 5G base stations, with Fujitsu bringing its miniaturization and energy-saving expertise to the table. Marketing of the stations will benefit from Ericsson's international sales channel.

On Wednesday, South Korea's Samsung and Japan's NEC announced a partnership to jointly develop and produce 5G base stations, initially targeting the Japanese market, where 5G communication is expected to launch as soon as next year. But their combined market share of base stations does not add up to 5%. And in addition to the Fujitsu-Ericsson team, they will be facing off against the market leader, China's Huawei Technologies, along with Finland's Nokia.

You can ignore the "Joint" part as this simply means some parts subcontracting work. These are Ericsson and Samsung 5G basestations being resold in Japan.

But the one that the majority will buy, will be American - the iphone.

There is no 5G iPhone ready in time for Japan's 5G launch next year. I stand by my assertion that all 5G phones available at the time of Japan's 5G launch will be either Korean or Chinese.

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You can ignore the "Joint" part as this simply means some parts subcontracting work.

Why would I ignore reality, to come up with some anti-Japan frame that you're trying to create?

Once again, you've posted something that does not support your assertion that:

As for traditional Japanese telco equipment vendor Fujitsu and NEC; they have fallen behind foreign competitors so much that they agreed to act as resellers of foreign 5G equipment; Fujitsu will resell Ericsson's 5G equipment while NEC will resell Samsung's.

You seem to be having reading comprehension problems, as you're reading one thing, and then making up something else altogether that wasn't stated, or can even logically be inferred from what was stated. Or maybe you can comprehend just fine, and are hoping that the rest of us won't cross check your claims against the supposed 'evidence' you are trying to support them with.

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5G is so over hyped. Far better to do it a little slower and be safer than to rush

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But the one that the majority will buy, will be American - the iphone.

What's American about the iphone other than the brand?

They are mostly assembled in China in Foxconn factories. The parts come from Japanese, Korean, and other companies that actually manufacturer those parts not just in the countries where they are based but in other countries, mostly low wage countries in South East Asia.

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What's American about the iphone other than the brand?

The brand is what makes it American.

By your logic, Sony products would not be considered Japanese.

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