Lithuanian agency warns against use of Chinese-made phones

Good for Lithuania! The CCP has made China the social equivalent of a cancer or maybe a plague of locusts. A big middle finger to the middle kingdom.

Anyone want to read the 32 page report? Its worth it.

https://www.nksc.lt/doc/en/analysis/2021-08-23_5G-CN-analysis_env3.pdf

Amazing, detailed work by the NCSC. I hope to read more in the future. Let the chips fall where they may, no matter what surfaces and from where.

Now, cue the CCP's indigent chorus of 'its all a horrendous lie and a vile slander.'

All operating systems and software come with cybersecurity risks and the danger of personal data leakage. That is why they are so frequently updated.

The censorship will be standard for domestically-released phones, because China is a censorious dictatorship. For sale abroad, they will do the lazy thing and just turn it off.

This may be the first round of moves by the US to take down another competitor and build a digital Berlin Wall between East and West. That has implications for Japan, which traditionally manages to trade with both.

Chiphones have a reputation for poor battery life and design compromises, but the best Chinese smartphone manufacturers produce excellent tech at decent prices. Personally, I recommend Moto phones for their features/price balance. They are manufactured by Motorola Mobility, now a subsidiary of Lenovo. Lenovo is incorporated in Hong Kong. It has global headquarters in Beijing, operational headquarters in the US, and an operational centre in Singapore.

I think you should always buy tech on tech grounds. But if you run your entire life through a nationalist political filter, that is your choice.

I don’t even trust Chines me washing machines and refrigerators.

Their electronics o. The machines require an email address and access to your iPhone and macMini to function. Shameful unbelievable. Shinjirarenai

Desert tortoise, you're afraid of being spied on by Chinese phones? Ha ha ha ha ha, what are you? A big major high profile target that's the stuff that keeps Xi up at night? And that coming from a pipsqueak country in Europe with an obvious axe to grind. Now run along and let Apple, Fujitsu, HTC spy on you then. Or Phillips or Alcatel if they are still making phones. You need a cool beer to cool your racist ardour. Cheers.

Kabuki C:

Has it not occurred to you that Desert Tortoise's concerns may be altruistic.....

Like a lot of liberal-minded people lucky enough to live in democratic countries which enjoy freedom of speech and expression, unfortunately these basic-rights are denied to the Chinese people - just ask the people in Hong Kong.

The fact that the Chinese are under constant video and audio surveillance is an extremely worrying situation, to consider that 1.4 billion people live their lives under constant subjugation by the state..... there is no racist aspect at all to highlighting this disgraceful situation as you casually suggest, it is an appalling situation which should concern us all.

Desert tortoise, you're afraid of being spied on by Chinese phones? Ha ha ha ha ha, what are you? A big major high profile target that's the stuff that keeps Xi up at night? And that coming from a pipsqueak country in Europe with an obvious axe to grind. Now run along and let Apple, Fujitsu, HTC spy on you then. Or Phillips or Alcatel if they are still making phones. You need a cool beer to cool your racist ardour. Cheers.

You kind of missed the point of the article. The software on Chinese made phones can allow the CCP to extend the Great Firewall abroad, imposing their censorship on everyone.

The Chinese allow their cyber spies to use the personally identifiable information they collect to earn some extra money on the side by doing the usual things cyber criminals do, steal from you, set up accounts in your name and run up bills, sell your information to other criminals for money. That is just one consideration. I know they took my PII during one of their hacks. How long before one of their Wumao start stealing from me?

My business probably doesn't interest them much but my wife's family might. The Red Guards ran them out of their home during the Cultural Revolution and a party cadre still lives there. They were run completely out of Shanghai for a couple of decades before they were allowed to return. Momma's first husband was arrested and killed by the Red Guards. They told her he "committed suicide". Sure thing. Momma was a primary school teacher but the CCP banned from the classroom permanently after the Red Guard terrorized her. A brother in law was arrested briefly for selling some fish he caught, accused of being a "capitalist". Oh the horror. He needed money to buy paper and pencils for school, supplies the CCP expected families to buy. Ours is a family the CCP views with suspicion. You really have no idea how profoundly evil the CCP is. You are very naive.

The fact that the Chinese are under constant video and audio surveillance is an extremely worrying situation, to consider that 1.4 billion people live their lives under constant subjugation by the state..... there is no racist aspect at all to highlighting this disgraceful situation as you casually suggest, it is an appalling situation which should concern us all.

What is most appalling is how the CCP finds ways, such as those detailed by the Lithuanian investigation, to impose their censorship outside of their borders.

The move comes amid tensions between Lithuania and China.

Is there anyone China does not have tensions with? European countries are apparently not immune to Chinese displeasure. Move over Canada, Japan, Australia, and everyone else, Lithuania is joining the long and growing list of nations China has manufactured issues with.

The CCP just cant help themselves even now. How much worse would they be if they became the sole superpower?

So many downvotes. I'll stick with my Moto. You can pay silly money to Apple to buy a phone with no memory card slot. Enjoy having your personal photos scanned.

-1.4 billion people live their lives under constant subjugation by the state.

As opposed to occasional lockdowns, travel bans and trade sanctions? The Chinese people are very good at evading this 'constant subjugation' whenever they need to. They just don't publicise it.

If 1.4bn Chinese didn't want to live their lives under the thumb of the state, they could get rid of the CCP by bumping them off. Revolutions used to happen all the time. You don't need a licence. I guess people have just gotten lazy.

@NoIdeaAboutAnything.

True. Wherever you live, if your government wants to spy on you, the internet is the finest surveillance state infrastructure there is. And we even pay for our own telescreens.

So many downvotes. I'll stick with my Moto. You can pay silly money to Apple to buy a phone with no memory card slot. Enjoy having your personal photos scanned.

I've literally never once even thought I needed a memory card on my iphone phone. And apple has never scanned any of my photos - I don't use icloud.

If 1.4bn Chinese didn't want to live their lives under the thumb of the state, they could get rid of the CCP by bumping them off. Revolutions used to happen all the time. You don't need a licence. I guess people have just gotten lazy.

Hard to start a revolution when a country is economically prosperous. Tens of millions of Chinese have come out of poverty im the past 40 years, and it's hard to want to overthrow the government that took them out of that.

Add this tot he fact that authoritarian governments actively work to ensure rebellion doesn't happen, can't happen, and is snuffed out hard and publicly when it does happen.

If the CCP were so easy to overthrow, the Uighurs probably would have already done it - they're being exterminated by the CCP. But, the CCP has their thumb on the backs of the Uighurs and there isn't much they can do.

Apple does not scan photos on iCloud. They were suggesting scanning for registered child abuse photos but have now decided to do more research first.

The irony being that Google DOES do this, so the people criticizing Apple for this while using Android have it bass-ackwards, criticizing Apple for something it doesn't do, while using Google that does that exact thing.

Not the sharpest pencils in the box.

Since CCP has threatened Australian and Japan with intercontinental missiles I've stopped buying Chinese.

There's no way I'm going to support my demise.

CCP Smart phones ?

You can stick them where the sun don't shine !

I wouldn't own one if it was given to me.