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"because we are currently trying to confirm if our customers will be able to use the equipment with a sense of safety", company spokesman Hiroyuki Mizukami told AFP.

This line is just SO Japanese, a "sense of safety", whether it is or not, just make sure the customer has a "sense" that they wont have problems with the product!

Much like many of the things the government does, and business just copies, making people feel or imagine they are safe in their bubble of ignorance!

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What stupid and uncivilized tribal mentality ! Let consumers decide, as simple as that.

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@Yubaru: impressive. This is a mess caused to the consumers worldwide by Trump, and also here some people like you find and excuse to bash Japan. Again, impressive.

Honestly, my smartphone is Chinese but not Huawei, anyway I have some close friends with Huawei smartphones and they are very afraid because of this mess that Trump is doing. Trump, people have already spent their Money on these smartphones, stop this stupid trade war.

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Honestly, my smartphone is Chinese but not Huawei, anyway I have some close friends with Huawei smartphones and they are very afraid because of this mess that Trump is doing. Trump, people have already spent their Money on these smartphones, stop this stupid trade war.

You should probably take some time to educate yourself before making comments like this. It isn't about cell phones. And while I am one of the biggest Trump critics out there, he's correct on his actions with Huawei. It's a state-company, run by ex-Chinese military. The state has people in the company, openly. Giving them the infrastructure of other countries would be like giving it to facebook - suddenly they'd have everything.

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 It's a state-company, run by ex-Chinese military

Im thinking you prefer nsa spying over the Chinese huh?

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@Strangerland: our personal data are already in American hands for decades. We have not any privacy anymore. This is only an excuse by Trump because Chinese technology became superior to American technology. Honestly I am starting to be tired of this crap. As usual, because of stupid American paranoia, us Europeans will be hurt, like with American sanctions towards Russia. Stop!

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The US is losing its grip. Trump's bluster may win him redneck votes, but not in the world market place. Huawei will develop their own OS - they are already working on it. Trying to stop them won't work.

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mobile phone carriers made a good decision.

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What a pity.

Shame on anybody who believes the blatant lie about security threat by huawei. It is nothing but a ploy to stifle competition and maintain dominance.

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Huawei will develop their own OS

Develop? Yeah, develop a way to avoid patent and brand rights infringements. Similar to their development of Fried Chicken restaurants like MFC, KFG, KLG and FBC, with the same colors and/or similar logos.

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@Yubaru: again, it's impressive how you turn a problem caused by the US into a Japanese problem. European mobile carriers are doing the same things as Japanese mobile carriers, if you didn't know it. We are having this mess worldwide thanks to Trump paranoia to lose to China.

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again, it's impressive how you turn a problem caused by the US into a Japanese problem.

Yes, it's America's fault that the Chinese build spy technology into everything and got caught.

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"Spy technology", lol. When did they get caught?

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I can only see this. When China was only used for work exploitation by Western companies, all these "trust problems" didn't exist. Now, just because Chinese became a technology powerhouse that can work for themselves, not as slaves for the others anymore, we shouldn't trust them anymore. Probably I am too stupid to understand.

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The fact that Huawei fearlessly stands up to the US means they're backed by their government. The US has all the reasons to prevent China from taking the no. 1 spot. For quite a while, I thought the US should have done something about China's growth. If China has the upper hand, I doubt they would be merciful to the US. In this power struggle, I've chosen my side.

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Meanwhile, ARM has reportedly stopped selling chips to Huawei, which, if true, would pretty much keep them from making phones at all.

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Like I have been saying for a long time, the WEST had a huge hand(& still does) in creating the current Chinese monster! We opened our Uni's companies have been giving away tech for decades & also China openly steals as well with no real consequences.

BUT times are changing, the monster is getting MUCH TOO big, its going to be pay now or later(at MUCH greater costs!)

Clearly the west is on a collision course with the Chinese Govt(NOT its people, although they are severely brain washed sadly)

We will be in for interesting but highly likely UNPLEASANT times wrt to China!

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As long as not every piece of software running in your phone is not open sourced, you can be sure it will be used for spying you.

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Brainwashing is not an act mastered by only the chinese or NK as we are made to believe. It is practised by every govt on this planet.

I can't believe that in this age of technology that it is not possible to know whether huawei is used to pass data to the chinese govt.

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What's with the Japanese, Canadians .Europeans the UK , Trump says jump and they all jump, this is all about jealousy and the rise of China as a technological powerhouse. Seems everyone believes all the spin that comes out of Trump and America's mouth. America believes it should always be No 1, at all cost, remember Libya and Gaddafi's plan to ditch the metro dollar for gold and look what the US did there, and the EU floating the idea as the Euro to run along side the petro dollar, that idea 's fizzled out, why ? Venezuela the same, and America's sanctions which are mostly illegal and hurting millions, just so America can stay No1. ? China was abused for years by the west exploiting China and its workforce for its cheap labour, and everyone seems to forget how Japan was in in the same position once. Well America all your tariffs and sanctions, wars and regime changes are not going to keep you at No1 any longer, Asia is the place to be now , its exciting, its has a younger more intelligent workforce, with a hunger for knowledge ,technology is growing at such an alarming pace, so Trump, singling out Huawei is childish and is a battle you won't win.

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Those of u supporting this nonsense created by Trump, don't complain tomorrow when prices of most things increase. As America the manufacturing base to take over at short notice if the chinese decide to stop export of finished and semi finished components and materials.

I don't think it does. When two elephants fight it is the small creatures that get hurt.

Be wise and think twice what u wish or support as u may end up being the victim in the power play.

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Alex. I agree this issue was brought upon by US Corporate greed. However I’d never buy one of these phones.

Here is one example of spy technology

https://thehackernews.com/2018/10/china-spying-server-chips.html?m=1

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I can't believe that in this age of technology that it is not possible to know whether huawei is used to pass data to the chinese govt.

Why can't you believe it? As a tech person, I'm not seeing how there is logic in this statement.

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@Yubaru: again, it's impressive how you turn a problem caused by the US into a Japanese problem.

There is more to this than what the article is talking about, Panasonic and Huawei.

European mobile carriers are doing the same things as Japanese mobile carriers, if you didn't know it.

Doing what? Being prudent about who they allow access to? If that's true, good to know that the Japanese are following suit!

We are having this mess worldwide thanks to Trump paranoia to lose to China.

While I think Trump is a demented fool, I also do not give him credit for the problems with this company, it is knownto be backed by the Chinese government and we ALL know China can be trusted to play fair!

Seems to me that you believe that too!

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I can't believe that in this age of technology that it is not possible to know whether huawei is used to pass data to the chinese govt.

Why can't you believe it? As a tech person, I'm not seeing how there is logic in this statement.

My thoughts are that it would be possible to know whether Huawei products are used to pass data but it would take a significant amount of time to determine this. There are also ways to make detection difficult; especially of the technology used to move the data to China is hosted in the country where the Huawei product is used.

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Didn't the CIA/FBI/Trump demand the American phone makers provide them with a backdoor, which Apple refused to do. Is there a difference between American spying and Chinese spying?

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@Zichi. I think you identified the difference in your post

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Develop? Yeah, develop a way to avoid patent and brand rights infringements. Similar to their development of Fried Chicken restaurants like MFC, KFG, KLG and FBC, with the same colors and/or similar logos.

Not to mention the fake Apple stores all over the country!

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@drlucifer; You make a good point and it is actually more dangerous than people would imagine.

What if the U.S. could not get the natural resources (rare earth elements) needed for manufacturing electronic components, batteries, etc.

This is postulated in this article:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/21/china-raises-threat-of-rare-earth-mineral-cutoff-to-us/

I agree with calling China out (and I have made my feelings known about their surveillance) but there are dangerous consequences that need to be addressed carefully. China has done a very good job of ensuring they can have and control access to alot of these resources including outside of China.

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BUT times are changing, the monster is getting MUCH TOO big, its going to be pay now or later(at MUCH greater costs!)

Clearly the west is on a collision course with the Chinese Govt(NOT its people, although they are severely brain washed sadly)

Well, I am not so sure that Americans are any less brainwashed. And I am very familiar with both countries. This and other comments seem to press for the sort of actions that will lead a globally destructive war with billions of deaths. For what? To rule over a wasteland? How much this resembles Game of Thrones. And any war on a country is a war on its people. The 2 cannot be separated.

So far as privacy on smart phones, there is none. Assume everything you do on a smart phone can be seen if a government desires it. Because that's pretty much the case. Whether Apple refuses access or pretends to refuse access matters little. The governments of China and the US both have almost limitless resources in this area.

For quite a while, I thought the US should have done something about China's growth.

When a country starts to think this way, it has already lost. Rising powers upset old, stale and corrupt powers. It has been done since the dawn of civilization. It's like trying to stop gravity. If the old power decides to fight it, it will probably lose, but will certainly cause massive death and destruction.

I don't like the Chinese government either, but so far they haven't shown the inclination to rule over the world as the USA has. Nor have they tried to enforce their own political ideas on opposite ends the world. The US is far more powerful than any one country should ever be. That sort of power leads to increasing corruption and oppression.

Pretty sure the US will overstep in some big ways, and the destruction will be widespread. The collision course is not a fact of nature, but due to the power plays of those in charge and the masses of brainwashed people on either side who can't see the obvious outcome.

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halted the release "because we are currently trying to confirm if our customers will be able to use the equipment with a sense of safety", company spokesman Hiroyuki Mizukami told AFP.

We must be careful. These handsets could be hand grenades.

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China is copying. Their phones are a copy of Samsung and Apple produts. The next stage, which they have already entered is adaptation and improvement and finally, they will be creating entirely new products. They have the brain power and labour power to do it. China is looking to the future, building up relations in Africa and Asia and it's already entrenched in Australia and the U.S.A. At the same time, the U.S.A. is stuck in a past when all that was needed to quieten the natives was a gunboat or two. As the U.S.A. gets itself deeper and deeper in debt, frittering its taxpayers' money on arms and a possible wall down south, China gets stronger and stronger.

Huawei has the China market and they'll soon have Africa and Asia too. Eventually, they'll get the rest of the planet. Sanctions won't hurt them.

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While it doesn't require a huge stretch of any imagination to believe Huawei is involved in spying technology and practices - probably more so than we can fathom, I'd suggest it is par for the course for many hi-tech corporations world wide, esp those in the cyber fields.

We have no idea for example what US technologies are currently in place spying on countries, companies, citizens etc. The US with a Research & Defense budget far greater than Russia & China commbined, with specific Pentagon programs directly funding physical sciences, computer sciences, engineering in universities (many public) to the tune of $billions annually. Cyber security offense/defense, spy technologies mmust be an integral part of this R&D. And of course who's doing most of this in the US - US companies. Boeing is huge. Are Boeing aircraft flying into every country of the world, secretly relaying vital strategic info back to the Pentago/CIA complex??? Who knows, but I'd never for a moment believe that such common name companies could never be involved in the hacking/spying/data retrieval world.

And the other big spin on Bogey-Man Huawei is, it is simply challenging the order of financial dynamics in a way that many are running scared of.

Currently the top 10 smartphone companies are ( the list is not static change and is open to change) -

Samsung - Korean

Apple - US

Huawei - China

OPPO - China

Vivo - China

*Xiami - China

*One Plus - China

LG - Korea

Lenovo - China

Nokia - Finland

Anything stand out here? Well obviously China which commands about 50% of the world market - and growing.

The fear of Huawei jumping to # 1 globally is very real, reminiscent of the shock and awe of and outright despise of the rise of Japan Inc (autos & electronics) in the 70s & 80s.

Never suggesting spying was part of that strategy - lol - but as a Real Threat to the Establishment - meaning the US/Europe order of things - China tech is shaking that foundation and Huawei is an easy target because of it's Govt affiliations. More difficult to attack a totally private independent company.

And what's at stake with this. $Trillions.

So yes, spying is one part of this saga, but other Big forces are in play as well - power & money.

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commanteer,

I hear you to a point this following doesn't ring true to me:

I don't like the Chinese government either, but so far they haven't shown the inclination to rule over the world as the USA has. Nor have they tried to enforce their own political ideas on opposite ends the world. The US is far more powerful than any one country should ever be. That sort of power leads to increasing corruption and oppression.

China IS doing PLENTY in this regard inside China & issues at its land borders, its blatant lying about NOT militarizing islands in SE Asia & then doing just that BIG TIME!

Toss in all the BS about ancient China this & that with the region & YES China is throwing its weight around!

Plus look at what it is doing all over Africa...…….not going to end well there for sure!

Of the Yanks aren't innocent but at least they are more transparent & govts can be voted in\out while in China the commies control China & its people full stop!

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HUAWEI is not a company.

A fake spy agency by the Chinese Communist Party.

If it is terrible, the Chinese Communist Party who does not allow the existence of foreign private enterprises.

It is not irrelevant at the time the technology and information of the private companies in other countries that

 have made inroads into China are copied to HUAWEI products as they are.

Moreover, it is the Chinese side that broke the promise with Trump President this time to stop technology plagiarism and copying.

A fool who misunderstands that free competition includes freedom to break rules.

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China IS doing PLENTY in this regard inside China & issues at its land borders, its blatant lying about NOT militarizing islands in SE Asia & then doing just that BIG TIME!

Like you say, these are issues around China's land borders. Yes, China has been aggressive there and done unforgivable things. But land borders often have these problems. The US projects its will well beyond any land borders. That's why I wrote "opposite ends of the world." The US has troops in well over 100 countries around the world. Nobody else even comes close to a fraction of that.

Plus look at what it is doing all over Africa...…….not going to end well there for sure!

Of the Yanks aren't innocent but at least they are more transparent & govts can be voted in\out while in China the commies control China & its people full stop!

Things rarely end well in Africa for anyone. But China has a reputation in Africa as being much better than Europe or America. Chinese are all about business and making money, and interfere very little in local politics. It's the US and Europe who play games at destabilizing nations.

Finally, yes, US governments can be voted in or out, unlike China. But look how little things really change. Americans are mostly as brainwashed as the Chinese about being the "good guys." The US has 7 times the amount of people in prison per capita than China. The US has military bases in over 70 countries. The Chinese has them in 2 or 3. The US controls banking in countries around the world, forcing them to turn over private information. The US seeks to arrest people for violating US financial and other laws wherever they are in the world, even those with no connection to the US at all.

Maybe China will try to catch up with all this. But I wonder if the Chinese people will be as patient with Chinese troops dying far overseas as the Americans are.

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ARM also decided to discontinue licensing to Huawei.

Therefore, it is not possible to manufacture a legitimate CPU.

Companies in Taiwan that do contract manufacturing must follow this.

Intel and Qualcomm, which manufactures components such as chipsets for smartphones, have announced that they will stop partnering with Huawei.

Huawei can not procure high quality parts.

It is natural that Japanese mobile phone companies have announced the postponement of Huawei's mobile phone release.

Panasonic announced yesterday that it has ceased trading with Huawei and its affiliates.

Other Japanese companies will follow Panasonic.

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They are postponing, not cancelling. Huawei could survive on the Chinese and asian market while Apple can't. In terms of sales, Huawei has overtaken Apple and is now in second position.

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A no, not in any market outside of mainland China anyways since OS and CPU will be considered as bootlegged copies with ARMS and Google pulling out the plug.

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OK, so let's see: Huawei is banned; American and Japanese companies will suffer a $15 billion loss; Huawei will start using own operating system; Google will not be a monopoly anymore; Google and all the companies who are suffering from the brilliant New York deal maker Trump will run very fast in 2020 to vote for him, ha, ha, ha...

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I would rather have China spy on me than the NSA/CIA/FBI/ Mossad.

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Huawei is banned. American and Japanese companies will suffer a $15 billion loss.

Profits may decline in 2020.

But in the long run it will be a big plus.

That is because Huawei can not grow technically and can not release high quality good products.

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 Google will not be a monopoly anymore

Google never had been a monopoly since there was iPhone all the time and Windows for a short period of time.

Huawei start using their own operating system is only part of the solution. They need to persuade thousands of app developers to join their group for them to create a successful eco-system which will take time, money and lots of negotiations.

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If all this was really about security, why would Trump care about the sale of Huawei products in Europe and Japan?

That is because Huawei can not grow technically and can not release high quality good products.

So why were so many people buying Huawei products (before the ban).

BTW, Huawei had been expecting something like this to happen so they have apparently been working on developing their own OS (and apps?) for some time.

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@commanteer: great posts, I agree with you.

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While the Non Chinese phones have American spyware built into them.

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I don't like the chinese as well but they are not as hypocritical like the US, France and England which preach about freedom and human rights but support or prop up tyrants in Africa and the Middle East.

The don't go around bossing other countries or tell them how to run their affairs or use the IMF to enforce austerity measures that create untold sufferings on the citizens.

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The US should accept they must grow together with the world, not ABOVE everyone. Which is the problem if they are not number One anymore? It's not like American people would start to starve. There are so many things that American politicians can do to improve the life quality of their people, like to create Universal health care system, for example. All things INSIDE American borders. China can't be stopped, it's a huge Country with more than 1 billions of people and a smart and educated workforce. The US should learn to work TOGETHER with the other Countries in a multipolar world, where even if you are not the Number One anymore, you can be still an Amazing Country respected by both your people and abroad. Instead the American leaders chose the greedy and suprematist way, and this whole Huawei case is only the tip of the iceberg. They brainwash their own people with superheroes movies all the time, so also your average American person has always this American superhero mindset since his childhood. The world doesn't need "superheroes", but peaceful cooperation and respect. If you can't be the Number One anymore, because the times changed, you can be an Amazing Number two or three. Every Country can have its own eccellenze accepting its new role. The other alternative, it's scary: war. It brings only sufference. America is losing the respect also of its allies, that follow its crazy moves more for fear of sanctions, revenge, etc, than for any real advantage. I wonder if this is what American people want to be for real.

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And yeah, Chinese government can be very harsh towards its own people. But, honestly, it's not our business. Chinese want only to trade with the rest of the world, not changing our political system and values.

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I would rather have the Chinese listen in to my calls than the American government. Then again my calls are boring. Come to thing of it I am rather boring and I can talk people to death. Remember the Japanese soldier in Airplane the movie?

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I do not disagree with what some other posters say about the U.S. (my country of birth). Take a look into the first major capitalization of Facebook, which speaks volumes. Additionally the huge data center in Utah is not being used to store U.S. tax returns. It has more sinister applications.

On the other hand China has a track record of some of this as well. Also below is an interesting article on China's Social Credit system. Reading the article sends shivers down one's spine. It is also quite interesting that Huawei is featured in this article and a photo shows at the Huawei's Bantian campus where facial recognition is used to facilitate the Social Credit system.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/consumer-issues/chinas-new-techfuelled-social-credit-system-a-dystopian-nightmare/news-story/9198a6c7b1113b03234ea86a2c5e099a

It is all a matter of who you want spying on you, how they will accomplish it, and what they will do with the data (i.e. deny travel, deny loans, etc.)

If I have to chose between participation in the Social Credit system or the U.S. I will choose the U.S. (for now). However I will bet anyone on this website that we will see the Social Credit system start to be applied more globally within one more generation. It is truly a Brave New World!!! All glory to our masters or the party or whatever you wish to call it.

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Sorry: I forgot to add the peer reviewed paper, "The Chinese social credit system: A model for other countries?" to the bottom of my previous post (yes this is a serious paper). Link is below.

http://cadmus.eui.eu/bitstream/handle/1814/60424/LAW_2019_01.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

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"KDDI and SoftBank Corp, the country's number two and number three carriers respectively, said the decision was taken to give them time to assess the impact of the U.S. ban."

Yeah, it's actually because they are waiting for the government to ask to be an exception to any US retribution. If China demands they sell it, they will.

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And the hits just keeping on coming!

Huawei executive accused of stealing trade secrets from microchip company backed by Microsoft and Dell

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/f543f9eb-f858-3306-9f10-57f17a0eef36/huawei-executive-accused-of.html

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Current Huawei phone owners would continue to be supported by Google

It's the new Huawei phones that Google says they'd no longer support

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I doubt Drump thought about the repercussion of this trade war that he has decided to wage against the the No.2 economy in the world and the main factory of the world.

Is America not vulnerable with china in possession of US treasury bonds.

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Panasonic announced yesterday that it has ceased trading with Huawei and its affiliates.

It was finally reported.

https://japantoday.com/category/tech/Panasonic-suspends-some-component-shipments-to-Huawei-amid-U.S.-blacklist

Retaliation against fools who misunderstand that free competition involves freedom to break the rules can not be stopped.

"Wake up and smell the coffee!".

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Pls ask trump for money, Lets see if both these companies get the money ???.

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Currently, China is only bullying countries around their area and exploit areas outside the vision of the others. When they get to the top, that'll be a different story. You'll be happy if you have the ability to whine about them. The Chinese has a saying "if you want to pluck out the weeds, you have to pluck all the way to the roots." It's only reasonable that the US applies this first when they have the leverage.

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vinarius@pm.catv.ne.jp

 Good luck, I am going for Samsung.

I really wish you will make that happen!

But I think Samsung refuses.

"Excuse me, we do not need spies". LOL

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@Travelmaster: but according to other news, Panasonic denied to have suspended any shipments to Huawei.

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@Alex80

Spy technology", lol. When did they get caught?

lol, right? Oh, wait...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/04/chinese-spy-chips-are-said-to-be-found-in-hardware-used-by-apple-amazon-apple-denies-the-bloomberg-businessweek-report.html

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ARM also decided to discontinue licensing to Huawei.

Therefore, it is not possible to manufacture a legitimate CPU.

But this gets complicated. Huawei holds many patents related to 5G technology. So do we stop 5G development? (Some might see that as a good thing.)

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But this gets complicated.

The problem is simply.

Follow the rules of preventing plagiarism and duplication of technology, and open up free markets.

Huawei holds many patents related to 5G technology.

So do we stop 5G development?

It is up to themselves(Huawei) to decide whether to stop or continue 5G development.

Huawei's patent has not been determined as a global standard.

It is easy to predict.

Huawei can't make goods for sale and Huawei can't earn foreign currency.

In other words, Huawei(CCP) can't get a big profit.

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First Trump says he's banning American companies in dealings with Huawei because of security risks, but today he announced that Huawei can be included in American Chinese trade talks.

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The move by the two companies is politically and otherwise a sound move in light of the "doubt" that exists in the "honesty" and "reliability" of not necessarily Huawei, but the Chinese government itself which in essence "control" Huawei any way. Ever since Xi, China has "weaponized" economics and their companies to "control" and "dominate" world economies and through that world politics.

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Taking sides without deep considerations are the 1st sign that a company is failing.

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