U.S. bans sales, import of Chinese tech from Huawei, ZTE

Real reason: US can't compete anymore.

U.S. bans sales, import of Chinese tech from Huawei, ZTE

excellent news!

Actually, this is only a partial solution - a proper one would be to go for an all out ban on Chinese Tech being sold outside of China.

Simple things such as Home Surveillance cameras coming out of China are, easily hacked.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/08/03/update-now-warning-as-eavesdropping-risk-hits-millions-of-chinese-made-cameras/?sh=3946595f6bf2

Chinese Routers - that's the box you attach to your Internet connection, are similarly easily hacked - and by nature of being produced in China, have to have a "backdoor" installed (that's a secret way of someone in the CCP being able to access your box):

https://cybernews.com/security/walmart-exclusive-routers-others-made-in-china-contain-backdoors-to-control-devices/

I would most certainly avoid "TP-Link" products.

A few years ago, I took some non-Chinese routers to China with me, and installed them at my place there. Whilst away, the local (National) Telecoms company got so frustrated that they sent some of their "Engineers" over to "fix" my network... they may as well, just taken a hammer to the boxes! State Control - quite literally covers everything. Even the PC's /Laptop's you buy there are pre-loaded with backdoor spyware... I'd avoid Lenovo too:

https://thehackernews.com/search/label/Lenovo%20Backdoor%20Malware

https://www.pcworld.com/article/633410/up-to-100-lenovo-laptops-are-a-security-risk.html

As too SmartTV's in China....

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/tcl-smart-tv-security-flaws

TCL was mentioned there, but Samsung too (from experience), and I'd assume anything else sold on the mainland has to have a "backdoor" installed...

Continuing on from Chinese Tech, I think also, hiring Chinese Nationals in any overseas company poses a risk to that Company/National Security....

Tokyo man,you cannot ban Chinese in America,lots of Chinese are green card holders,they are legally able to work,beside it against the law,to be bias based on national origin

Tokyo man ,where are most iphone made,high end phone users are better target,than us poor android user

National Security overrides all else. How many North Koreans are employed in your Country ?

Real reason: US can't compete anymore

No, it’s just that our political leaders are more interested in personal profit and laying in bed with the Chinese rather than taking the long arduous road and trying to compete.

Bass4,with his 3g service,they did away with 3g in America

Chinese Nationals living in another Country, have a weakness... Family back home. It is well documented, that the CCP will place expat Chinese Nationals under duress, by threatening to do some harm to their Families back home in China.... that is something that is well documented. So all, are therefore a National Security risk.

Tokyo, Chinese have 5g

Good news. China is building its economy so that the US et al become so economically dependent, that when they take Taiwan or the Senkaku islands we will balk at an economic sanctions. We never bought. This much from Communist USSR, we didn’t encourage factories to set up cheap workshops in the USSR so we can buy cheap stuff. So we set them up in China. If They treat their own people as prisoners, without different opinions, threaten them, how do you think the Chinese communist party will treat treat NON Chinese? We’ve seen how Chinese students treat Japanese students with a different opinion in the UK university.

Let’s stop buying as much as we can from China, before we become dictated to by the CCP.

Are they ever gonna ban tiktok

gokai:

Real reason: US can't compete anymore.

Tee hee hee. Saying what most people don't want to admit. When you can't compete, ban your competitors. Just like when you fear the competition from your fellow ice skater, hire thugs to use a hammer and hit your competitor's knee.

tokyo:

Chinese Nationals living in another Country, have a weakness... Family back home. It is well documented, that the CCP will place expat Chinese Nationals under duress, by threatening to do some harm to their Families back home in China.... that is something that is well documented. So all, are therefore a National Security risk.

And then, what next? Ban Chinese-Americans. And then? Put them in camps? And then? Drop a bomb or two. And then? Oh, what's the Chinese version of the Plaza Accord?

I say China should let America enjoy their 4.5G. UK, at the behest of Master USA, had to drop Huawei even though they admitted nothing was wrong, no security threat, but threatened by America's threats. Result? UK has to spend even more money pulling down the Huawei infrastruture, just to end up like America aiming for 4.5G. By the time they figure out 5G, China will already be using 6G.

US can't hide its fear..

Too little too late. Global corporations continues to undermine and sell out middle classes of the world. Remember how the globalist used to say two nations with McDonalds restaurants would never go to war?

China needs to be diplomatically and economically isolated until the CCP falls and the Chinese have a choice about who they elect. Anything else is window dressing.

Chinese Nationals living in another Country, have a weakness... Family back home. It is well documented, that the CCP will place expat Chinese Nationals under duress, by threatening to do some harm to their Families back home in China.... that is something that is well documented. So all, are therefore a National Security risk

My wife is from Shanghai and we have not experienced that problem. What happens most often is that a family member from abroad will come to visit and then be prohibited from leaving China. Sometimes they are arrested and put under house arrest and isolated from the world, other times they sent back from the airport to fend for themselves. The reasons are usually to force a family member living abroad who is charged with crimes in China to return to China. They hold the family member hostage that way until the person they really want comes back to China to face arrest. Less often foreigners are refused exit because they are somehow involved in a business dispute with a Chinese business and the government doesn't want them going splitsville before the trial. I have multiple China born family members living abroad and there is no pressure on family members still in China. We have not seen this among our circle of Chinese born friends either.

US can't hide its fear..

You don't make sense. You have two posts above this one detailing how the Chinese imbed backdoors into their products to facliltate surveillance abroad, then you put up this comment implying the fear of these backdoors among US politicians and government officials is somehow unjustified, more paranoia than real. What is it? Be clear. It seems to me that the US and many other nations are becoming acutely aware of how pervasive Chinese government surveillance is, not just inside China but abroad.

I say China should let America enjoy their 4.5G. UK, at the behest of Master USA, had to drop Huawei even though they admitted nothing was wrong, no security threat, but threatened by America's threats. Result? UK has to spend even more money pulling down the Huawei infrastruture, just to end up like America aiming for 4.5G. By the time they figure out 5G, China will already be using 6G.

What are you talking about? I have 5G in the US now.

Too funny"

https://www.scmp.com/tech/tech-war/article/3196632/defect-rate-chinese-chips-shipped-russia-surged-40-cent-after-western-sanctions-local-newspaper-says

They hold the family member hostage that way until the person they really want comes back to China to face arrest.

I don't think this^^^ is contradictory to what TOldMan posted. Leverage domestic population, reaching overseas jurisdiction is well known.

https://safeguarddefenders.com/en/blog/involuntary-returns-report-exposes-long-arm-policing-overseas

Wechat was discussing this a decade ago when there was suspicious 'sales' activities of $1 torches. Why would the government buy millions upon millions of torches to then on sell on Alibaba, ebay etc.. Because the CCP wanted to know the name and addresses of ALL Chinese living overseas (and they thought Chinese people would jump at bargains).

IMHO, just because you have relations with a mainlander, doesn't necessarily mean that you will be neutral in your view of China. There is no neutrality, because there are two systems, one is suppression, and the other is freedom (though there's enough posts on here from posters who prefers suppression). Until one system wins, there will always be biased generated by the disparity between the two systems.

 There is no neutrality, because there are two systems, one is suppression, and the other is freedom

Refresh your understanding of Yin-Yang. Almost nothing in the world is one way or the other, and particulary when it is the degree or lack thereof of personal liberty among the governments of the world. It is very much a sliding scale.

Wechat was discussing this a decade ago when there was suspicious 'sales' activities of $1 torches. Why would the government buy millions upon millions of torches to then on sell on Alibaba, ebay etc.. Because the CCP wanted to know the name and addresses of ALL Chinese living overseas (and they thought Chinese people would jump at bargains).

Lol, nobody here buys anythinng off Alibaba, the products are well known to be counterfeit or at the very least low quality, and using their payment system is basically handing your personally identifiable information to thieves. If that is how China thought they were going to find the names and address of their diaspora they underestimated the ability of that very same diaspora to smell a rat. Unly a chump uses Alibaba.

Senate Votes to Ban All Sales by Toshiba in U.S. LA Times JULY 1, 1987 

We have been here before.

"The Senate, seeking to avenge damage done to Western military security, voted overwhelmingly Tuesday to bar Toshiba Corp"

And then all Toshiba tech was taken by Intel, Qualcomm.

This is all for optics. Every device has a backdoor. Every tech company is spying on you. China and America don't play well together, thats all there is too it.

People suggesting Chinese nationals are a threat to national security, are just stupid, information travels so much easier over the web, this analog spy theory is so out of date its ridiculous.

If you can't keep up with the technology just invent some security concerns..... Pitiful.

This is all for optics. Every device has a backdoor. Every tech company is spying on you. China and America don't play well together, thats all there is too it.

Here is an example of the problems Chinese made products present that are not present in products from other nations. Take something as innocent seeming as a quadcopter. They have a camera, gps, a charging station and a computer link to upload the images from the camera. But guess what, it has been found that the Chinese military can access the video from Chinese made quadcopters. Who cares you say? If said quadcopter is flying near something of interest to the Chinese military, say near a military base, test range, important public infrastructure, government buildings, ports, airports, just use your imagination, the Chinese can use somebodies home quadcopter for their own surveillance needs. These problems do not exist with other nation's products. Only those from China.

We have been here before.

"The Senate, seeking to avenge damage done to Western military security, voted overwhelmingly Tuesday to bar Toshiba Corp"

No we haven't "been here before". What Toshiba did was completely different, selling very special computer controlled milling machinery to the Soviets. That milling machinery was based on US technology and was given to Japan to use to make the very quiet propellers they needed to have their considerable advantage in quieting compared to Soviet designs. That equipment was not to be sold to anyone else. Toshiba sold it to the Soviets, then lied about selling it. The upshot was that sale cost the west a considerable degree of its acoustic advantage over Soviet subs. Now the Soviets had the precision equipment to mill quiet submarine propellers.

@gokai_wo_maneku Are you serious? The REAL REASON is to prevent the Chinese from stealing more than they have already stolen!!!

Real reason: US can't compete anymore.

@Yrral WHAT DO YOU MEAN the US cannot ban Chinese in America, yes Many Chinese have green cards but that is just a PASS to work and live legally REMEMBER they are not US citizens and if you KNOW ANYTHING about US LAW and you don't know nothing at ANY GIVEN TIME those Chinese Green Card holders can have those cards revoked at moments notice,. You said "it against the law, to be bias based on national origin" LMFAO if they are not US citizens all of that goes out of the window especially when National Security is at RISK!

Tokyo man,you cannot ban Chinese in America,lots of Chinese are green card holders,they are legally able to work,beside it against the law,to be bias based on national origin

@TokyoLiving You have it all wrong! Do you mean TRUST in China!! US fear no one!

US can't hide its fear..

ANY GIVEN TIME those Chinese Green Card holders can have those cards revoked at moments notice.

A "Green Card" means an immigrant has been granted permanent residence. The only ways you can be deported is if you commit a crime, lied on your residency application and the lie is discovered, or move out of the US and live somewhere else long enough. US law does not permit permanent residents to be expelled for no reason. Even though not a citizen permanent residents have a right to fight expulsion in the Federal Courts.