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Tokyo to vaccinate 18,000 Olympics workers, volunteers

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On the one hand, it's good that they will get vaccinated because it's the best way to protect people from the coronavirus, and reduce the number of severe infections at this event that has the potential to be a massive super spreader event. I support as many people getting vaccines as possible.

On the other hand, what are the ethics of allowing people to jump the line like this, while so many people who desperately want the vaccine in Japan are not eligible yet? Just to hold the Olympics!? It's very disappointing behavior and in my opinion, unethical.

Also, where and when will these take place? Will it be at the Olympic village, or will they use one of the mass vaccination centers, reducing slots for the general public? Will they be fully vaccinated before the start of the Olympics, or will it be the same Japanese style if focus on everyone getting the first one first? A lot of details, as usual, hidden from public.

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I've asked over and over.

Can someone share with me one reason to get a "vaccine" for something that has a 99.7% survival rate for the ages of the the athletes whom they will be assisting?

Seriously - the threat of death is virtually "0" yet people are going to take these shots.

If working for no pay wasn't bad enough, now thousands of Japanese people are going to receive these potential DNA-altering shots?

I find this hard to fathom.

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Can someone share with me one reason to get a "vaccine" for something that has a 99.7% survival rate for the ages of the the athletes whom they will be assisting?

One, big news but athtletes on international competitions are not peak condition immunologically speaking, it is well known they are unusually susceptible to infections and complications because of the physical taxing efforts they have to make.

Two, if you can change a 99.7% for a 99.997% chance of surviving, for no real increase of risk it is still a much better situation, going from 3 in 1000 chances of dying to 3 in 100,000 chances is a huge thing.

Three, dying is not the only negative outcome, people can still lose that year of competitions because of complications, and for some unlucky few their whole professional career can get wasted because of complications.

Four, for people that can only think about themselves this may be surprising but some people actually care about others and can happily be vaccinated if that means reducing the risk of themselves infecting other people.

f working for no pay wasn't bad enough, now thousands of Japanese people are going to receive these potential DNA-altering shots?

There is no possibility the shots alter the DNA in any way, like at all. that came out of the mind of someone that never studied biology enough to understand the difference between mRNA and DNA. Most people know at least enough to understand this is no danger.

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Foreign delegates and media officials should also get vaccinated. Bubble strategy won't be sufficient. Forget omotenashi.

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But, unfortunately, not those who really need and deserve to be vaccinated.

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Over 18,000 Olympic workers jump the queue for vaccination.

18,000 over 65s have to wait longer for vaccination.

"Organizers say." Olympic organisers or vaccination organisers?

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6 weeks for “official” best results from first jab… oops.

… and they finish tomorrow… oops, too late. And besides these vaccinated people can still shed virus. They are a threat Maybe a bigger threat if they are foreign. Vaccination don’t make you safe to others (sic).

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@virusrex

absolutely. The idea is to peak for the games, and this is essentially the break-point for an over-trained state. It is ver common to come off a training cycle and catch whatever is floating around. It happens in my family (all athletes or athletes at one point) all of the time.

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Can someone share with me one reason to get a "vaccine" for something that has a 99.7% survival rate for the ages of the the athletes whom they will be assisting?

Grandparents

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And how are the 18000 really picked ?

friends, families, supporters among at least 200.000 directly involved.?

That is volunteers, JOC, Tokyo2020, Dentsu, Hakuhodo, officials, jury, local politicians, sports federation staff, Japanese press, tv production crews, …

i still officially represent officially NOC’s and they want to meet me. I need to see athletes and managers .. but i am not Japanese. I am entitled to vaccination because of my job but i refuse and will wait my turn.

As should tge olympics.. till 2022

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One, big news but athtletes on international competitions are not peak condition immunologically speaking, it is well known they are unusually susceptible to infections and complications because of the physical taxing efforts they have to make.

The paper you previously provided about this was not very convincing. It was largely based on anecdotal evidence about why they seemed to get sick, and included as a possible explanation that athletes have greater exposure to pathogens than nonathletes....

if you can change a 99.7% for a 99.997% chance of surviving, for no real increase of risk

The 99.7% includes those with comorbidities, obese, unhealthy... Any healthy person should expect a much higher survival rate.

And these experimental vaccines do have a risk, so you can't say "for no real increase of risk".

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Maybe Shinichi Hamada should read the replies and then he won’t need to ask it over and over.

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Can someone share with me one reason to get a "vaccine" for something that has a 99.7% survival rate for the ages of the the athletes whom they will be assisting?

For a very specific reason concerning the Olympics: any athlete that tests positive for Covid-19 is, for all intents and purposes, out of the Olympics since they have to be isolated for a couple weeks (doesn't matter if they survive - the Olympics is not gonna wait for them)

If the athlete got infected from an Olympic staffer, then that staffer pretty much shattered that athlete's maybe-once-in-a-lifetime dream

No staffer would want to be the reason for that

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The paper you previously provided about this was not very convincing. It was largely based on anecdotal evidence about why they seemed to get sick, and included as a possible explanation that athletes have greater exposure to pathogens than nonathletes....

Since it offered proper statistical proof the athletes have a higher incidence of respiratory problems and complications that people not involved professional sports but the same demographics that is definitely proof enough to prove it, athletes get sicker more often than non-athletes, specially in big international competitions, you saying it is not true simply do not carry the same weight.

And these experimental vaccines do have a risk, so you can't say "for no real increase of risk".

Of course it can be said, unless of course you can provide a source that say the risk coming from vaccination is even a significant fraction of the risk being prevented by them. If you prevent 1000 in a million chances of dying and come with 10 in a million chances that still means a decrease of 99% or no real increase of that risk.

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Seems like a common sense thing to do.

As for the survival rate, another way to look at it is to say that in the USA during this pandemic, so far, one out of every 580 people have died. That does not mean that all 600 people were sick. If everyone in the USA had gotten sick, the death rate would have been much higher. In New York City, 1 out of every 250 people died from the virus. Yes, 99.6% of the people did not die, but that is still a lot of needless deaths.

On the block where I live, four people have died from Covid-19 complications, and most of the people on the block have contracted the virus. If the vaccines had been available sooner, it is very possible that no one would have died from Covid-19, instead of four.

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Why do people keep saying that these mRNA vaccines change the DNA of the recipient?

That is absurd.

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Very good question, Shinichi Hamada, but I suspect you are not going to get a straightforward answer here.

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Very good question, Shinichi Hamada, but I suspect you are not going to get a straightforward answer here.

I just did above

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Meanwhile, my wife, who has underlying health conditions that put her at risk, still has no idea if and when she'll be eligible. Perhaps if she volunteered for the stupid Olympics . . .

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