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'I don’t need the vaccine': GOP worries threaten virus fight

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By JILL COLVIN and HEATHER HOLLINGSWORTH

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“We still haven’t lost 1% of our population. It is just ridiculous.”

In the US so far 535,000 deaths, nearly 30,000,000 sickened, an economy in shambles (for all but the richest). The above quote typical of the compassion-free far right.

I don’t think it is the way God intended for us to be,” said Holloway. 

It has all been pre-determined: American fundamentalist 'reasoning' at its worst. No wonder it was so easy for Biden's predecessor to be seen as messianic (and a trifle satanic), and for him and his media to manipulate such a large portion of the US.

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While polls have found vaccine hesitancy falling overall, opposition among Republicans remains stubbornly strong.

This demonstrates the educate gulf between conservatives and liberals nicely. Conservatives act out of emotion instead of facts and logic. The main emotion upon which conservatives act is ignorance-driven fear.

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*education

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This whole thing is blown way out of proportion and a bunch of nonsense," he said of the virus. “We still haven’t lost 1% of our population. It is just ridiculous.

I know that public health professionals say we have to deal with vaccination reluctance with empathy, but goobers like this sure do make it a challenge.

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But Luntz said he thinks it's too late. In his focus group, an ad featuring the past presidents made participants less likely to want to get vaccinated. And participants said they trusted their doctors much more than the former president.

Luntz has always great focus groups. Makes sense to me. I don’t trust or let’s say, I’m more cautious and will take a let’s see approach to the vaccine first before deciding to let some doctor jam a needle in my arm. That decision is up to the individual and they can make the decision without the Federal government telling them what to do. There are thousands of people that have fallen ill to this deadly virus and those that are in the category of catching this horrible virus should get vaccinated as soon as they can as well as anyone that needs it. Others that don’t want to shouldn’t be forced. And regardless who’s trying to promote the vaccine whether Trump or former President’s won’t help influence anyone that’s being doubtful or cautious.

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That decision is up to the individual and they can make the decision without the Federal government telling them what to do. 

Too bad you don’t apply this standard consistently.

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I don't think you should take it bass. We lefties think it's a really good idea. That's got to make you suspicious. Don't you think anything this leftist is a little too risky?

I don't think you should take it.

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42% of Republicans say they probably or definitely will not get the shot

If they choose not to get vaccinated and then contract the virus, they should be refused medical assistance. Ignorance is not to be rewarded.

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If they choose not to get vaccinated and then contract the virus, they should be refused medical assistance. Ignorance is not to be rewarded.

Well at least now you’re locked into the statement that healthcare is not a human right, but a privilege that can be revoked depending on behavior. Good thing good doctors don’t subscribe to such an evil morality. Can imagine the country under such an ideology. Scary!

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The state where the governor will soon be under investigation for illegally giving vaccines to his very rich friends and donors in January? Funny you should mention it, huh.

Which will absolutely go nowhere especially with his rock star popularity, but the left can try. Bloomberg tried and he’s a billionaire, went well for him as well.

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Which will absolutely go nowhere especially with his rock star popularity, but the left can try.

Why would his popularity have anything to do with him being investigated or not? Are you implying that rich and "popular" people should escape the law?

Bloomberg tried and he’s a billionaire, went well for him as well.

What on earth are you talking about? Bloomberg tried to investigate DeSantis for corruption?

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Why would his popularity have anything to do with him being investigated or not?

they can investigate him all day long, they’re not gonna find anything on this guy unless he did some major crime. Anything else it’s just gonna be another witchhunt or a slap on the wrist

What on earth are you talking about? Bloomberg tried to investigate DeSantis for corruption?

No, Bloomberg tried to buy the state and even with all his money he couldn’t influence that state and look I feel like this if liberals want to go and try to investigate him and do what they did to him to whether to trump it’s not gonna work, especially in that state, but they should go ahead, but I know what the result it’s going to be it’s not going to be to their political liking. :D

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Another silly piece full of insinuation and plain misstatements.

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Well at least now you’re locked into the statement that healthcare is not a human right, but a privilege that can be revoked depending on behavior.

Good thing good doctors don’t subscribe to such an evil morality. Can imagine the country under such an ideology. Scary!

Hunan rights can be revoked based on behavior. The most fundamental human right is freedom of movement, i.e., not imprisoned; however, the US is chalk full of prisons operating well over capacity.

Didn’t think that one through, did you?

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The politicization of basic safety measures and health care is just another way for Trump and the far-right media hate machine to fleece their flock and pocket more money..."don't listen to the experts, get your health advice from someone who really knows; "Mr Pillow Guy" - and buy a pillow while you're at it...

Its just more of the black and white, bi-polar fantasy world they live in 24/7...where you get advice like;

"Don't believe in the COVID vaccine"...

"Pay no attention to those tornado sirens going off"...

"Head out on the lake and forget those life preservers"...

"Never sleep in a house with smoke detectors"

"Those things all limit your freedom and are just for Libs"....

Beyond crazy...

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Hunan rights can be revoked based on behavior. The most fundamental human right is freedom of movement, i.e., not imprisoned; however, the US is chalk full of prisons operating well over capacity.

Yes, in Hunan, Chinese officials can arbitrarily suspend human rights based on behavior. And it would seem the us government, then, is the biggest violator of human rights. But you love both the Chinese and US governments. So nothing to worry about for you.

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Trump's tactic: Using "Fear" to scare the people in desperated mood and come to seek his "Influences" to calm down the fear ! The Covid19 vaccine hesistancy has played well into his hands!

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I do like how you pivot from your original assertion once it’s been demonstrated utterly incorrect instead of simply admitting you were incorrect like rational adults do.

It wasn’t an issue of being wrong or right. I just pointed out that you’re locked into the statement that healthcare is not a human right. I’m just saving that for later when you’ll argue for free healthcare and say it’s a human right. Especially for illegals. But as to the topic: I’m stunned by your coldness to deny someone medical care because of a belief or action they hold. That has huge ramifications later down stream. If doctors dole out healthcare only when the person has behaved correctly, where does it end? Should prisoners be denied healthcare? Certain religious practitioners? People who lied on their resumes? Etc.

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I’m stunned by your coldness to deny someone medical care because of a belief or action they hold. That has huge ramifications later down stream. If doctors dole out healthcare only when the person has behaved correctly, where does it end? Should prisoners be denied healthcare? Certain religious practitioners? People who lied on their resumes? Etc.

Look next door for the answers to how it should probably be done. Canada gives healthcare to all residents, and even some temporary foreign workers and international students.

Do Non-Citizens or Permanent Residents Get Free Healthcare in Canada?

On the other hand, Canada’s “universal” healthcare system is a little less universal when it comes to non-citizens or non-permanent residents. However, temporary foreign workers and international students who hold valid permits may be eligible for healthcare coverage. Usually, workers must be employed full-time by an employer and students must be enrolled in full-time studies for a period of 12-month to qualify.

The Canada Health Act states that all insured persons are entitled to the insured benefits offered within that province. “Insured persons” are lawful residents who have lived in the province for three months and live there for at least 183 days a year. Tourists, visitors, and “transients” are excluded.

Those who obtain permanent residency in Canada may have a waiting period of 3-months before they can access free healthcare - it all depends on the provincial government in which they reside.

https://canadianvisa.org/life-in-canada/health-care

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I remember when Trump said it was the flu and would be over by Easter. Already another Easter.

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the fundamental problem that I have with this vaccine is that not a lot is known or what the side effects are depending on the person who has them and the people that are susceptible of having side effects, I’ve never been a risk taker

It might give you AIDS. You shouldn't take it. Too leftist.

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The keyword is "die needlessly"

Death is death. Trump push to make sure a vaccine is available, it is now available and it has saved thousands and thousands of lives, but people are still dying people are still getting infected, It’s not about needlessly or not, the result is all the same if you have a negative prognosis.

Biden is giving it everything,

As to Trump and all the more reason why he pushed so hard for this and Democrats said that it could not be done and yet he managed to push to get it through and now the vaccine is available to those that need or want it.

Why so few died here

Few? Funny, you guys making making a fuss about people dying in Florida, compared to the overall number that I stated for the entire nation, so basically you’re saying for the entire nation the few people a day that was OK, but in Florida for the few people that died in that state that’s bad, huh? What? The point is people died, Biden said they wouldn’t it would stop and it’s not stopping. Stop sparring words now this is what Joe was claiming and I submit to you that it’s going to be a while before you start seeing thousands of these numbers drop off consistently.

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Trump supporters refuse to take the vaccine, yet they are quick to commend Trump for creating them thru Operation Warp Speed....

As a result, they're more likely to be hospitalized - maybe in the ICU - with hundreds of thousands in medical bills - paid for by Obamacare...

And if they're unfortunate, like Herman Cain, and pass away - their funeral will likely be paid by Biden's $1400 stimulus...

Likely because they gave all their money away in contributions to Trump...

What a life, huh?

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Trump supporters refuse to take the vaccine,

Depends on the person. They’re also liberals that are reluctant about the vaccine.

yet they are quick to commend Trump for creating them thru Operation Warp Speed....

Yes, even Shumer begrudgingly had to give Trump credit on that.

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Considering how rushed all the vaccines came to market -- 9 months versus six years for the polio vaccine, for example -- no one should be blamed for not wanting to be forced to become a human guinea pig by Big Pharma and the U.S. government,

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The vaccines aimed at taming the coronavirus, however, aren't so popular.

Thinking is not popular amongst donald's supporters.

“This whole thing is blown way out of proportion and a bunch of nonsense," he said of the virus. “We still haven’t lost 1% of our population. It is just ridiculous.”

Neither is simple mathematics!!!

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Considering how rushed all the vaccines came to market -- 9 months versus six years for the polio vaccine, for example

If you think there have been no advancements in medical technology between 1955 (polio vaccine) and 2020 (corona vaccine), well... You're comically wrong.

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As to Trump and all the more reason why he pushed so hard for this

The only thing Trump "pushed hard for" during his 4 years as president is for people around to commit fraud on his behalf. He wasn't interesting in any other aspect of governance.

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If it was left to donald, we'd be injecting bleach and sending lasers to where the sun dont shine.

The Vaccines might have been fast tracked but there has been testing.

Except the Russian and Chinese once though, they dont have the concept of testing over there.

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It wasn’t an issue of being wrong or right. I just pointed out that you’re locked into the statement that healthcare is not a human right.

I never said healthcare wasn’t a human right; I actually explained that it was, but could be limited. To be fair, I did not state it explicitly, so those without the ability of logical inference wouldn’t have caught it.

Glad you agree it’s a human right and should be free.

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Considering how rushed all the vaccines came to market -- 9 months versus six years for the polio vaccine, for example -- no one should be blamed for not wanting to be forced to become a human guinea pig by Big Pharma and the U.S. government,

No such thing, not only we have much better technology, but actually the coronavirus vaccine has been in development since more than a decade now, all the way since the first SARS scare that made people realize how close we were of a real pandemic and began research focused on quickly and reliably identifying the best viral proteins to target with the immune defense and making and testing endless vaccine candidates with related coronaviruses so all the problems that could be identified could be ironed out before the real deal happened.

This led to a smooth and quick preclinical development for the lead vaccines, that got translated to quick and smooth clinical trials that proved the safety and efficacy of the vaccines without problem. You only want to see the year it took to produce the vaccines, but not the decade that took to develop them.

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> Considering how rushed all the vaccines came to market -- 9 months versus six years for the polio vaccine, for example -- no one should be blamed for not wanting to be forced to become a human guinea pig by Big Pharma and the U.S. government,

All thanks to Trump and his Operation Warp Speed.

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Thinking is not popular amongst donald's supporters

Everyone that I personally know so far that hasn’t taken the vaccine is doing just fine come to think of it.

The Vaccines might have been fast tracked but there has been testing.

Utter and ludicrous nonsense! Everyone says penicillin is safe, but I’m allergic to it, if I take it I would have serious complications breathing and possibly worse. So you really can’t say just because they tested a vaccine it’s OK for some people it is, but it’s still new, it was rushed and we just don’t know and even many scientists couldn’t guarantee that there would be no side effects.

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Trump supporters refuse to take the vaccine,

Depends on the person. They’re also liberals that are reluctant about the vaccine.

Always helps to read the article first...

*While polls have found vaccine hesitancy falling overall, opposition among Republicans remains stubbornly strong. A new poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research found that *42% of Republicans say they probably or definitely will not get the shot, compared with 17% of Democrats — a 25-point split.

yet they are quick to commend Trump for creating them thru Operation Warp Speed....

Yes, even Shumer begrudgingly had to give Trump credit on that.

But Trump supporters refuse to take the vaccine they give him credit for. Hmmmm....

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Personal anecdotes about the people you know are not legitimate evidence in critical discourse.

So you really can’t say just because they tested a vaccine it’s OK for some people it is, but it’s still new, it was rushed and we just don’t know and even many scientists couldn’t guarantee that there would be no side effects.

Thanks to Trump’s Operation Warp Speed.

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Trump staffers, even those who worked for officials who publicly flouted coronavirus safety guidelines, were secretly scrambling for a COVID-19 vaccine: report

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Everyone that I personally know so far that hasn’t taken the vaccine is doing just fine come to think of it.

Says more about your social circle or the lack of it!!!

Utter and ludicrous nonsense! Everyone says penicillin is safe, but I’m allergic to it,

So should we ban penicillin because one person dubiously claims he is allergic to it!!

Utter and ludicrous nonsense.

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The Vaccines might have been fast tracked but there has been testing.

Then why has Germany, France, Italy and Spain now halted use of the AstraZenica vaccine because of a rise in blood clotting issues among people who have received it?

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33,000 people in Florida have died from covid.

Then why has Germany, France, Italy and Spain now halted use of the AstraZenica vaccine because of a rise in blood clotting issues among people who have received it?

15 million people in the UK have been vaccinated without a single case of blood clotting.

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Always helps to read the article first..

Yup and understanding the topic at hand: Vaccinations.

Personal anecdotes about the people you know are not legitimate evidence in critical discourse.

For reference they do. Why is it that the left just can’t accept that not everyone wants any part of this vaccine? It’s not that when you get angry or insult people that people are going to run to the nearest clinic and get vaccinated, that’s not going happen for some people.

if people want to get it, they get it, if they don’t, then they don’t, it’s that simple. If I were to catch the virus and some thing would happen to me, then that’s on me, not on a group of people not because of any particular political party, it was my decision.

So should we ban penicillin

Nothing Dubiously about it. Millions of people are allergic to penicillin and no of course not. But you’re making my point for me, we can have the vaccine, but that doesn’t mean everyone can take it, some people Ken and some people cannot

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If I were to catch the virus and some thing would happen to me, then that’s on me,

But when you infect other people who couldn't get vaccinated, or you and your unvaccinated friends develop a new variant stronger to the vaccine that starts the whole pandemic all over again, then it's not a matter of choice anymore, it's matter of criminal liability. This is what you stupendously fail to understand. In order for a pandemic to completely end, the virus has to be completely eradicated. And it can only be eradicated by a lot of vaccines or by a lot of deaths. You choose deaths.

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But when you infect other people who couldn't get vaccinated, or you and your unvaccinated friends develop a new variant stronger to the vaccine that starts the whole pandemic all over again, then it's not a matter of choice anymore, it's matter of criminal liability. This is what you stupendously fail to understand. In order for a pandemic to completely end, the virus has to be completely eradicated. And it can only be eradicated by a lot of vaccines or by a lot of deaths. You choose deaths.

Well, that’s one debatable Hypothetical hypothesis, but still that’s not going to make me or thousands of people that are worried about their own potential safety to take on this virus, so no argument is going to rectify that. In the end It’s all about self-preservation.

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Drugs have side effects and reactions, clinical trials are studying the same. There are rules for approvals and they have been followed.

However idiots using that as an excuse or lying about made up allergies should not mean vaccination should be stopped.

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I’m glad “conservatives” are admitting Trump’s Operation Warp Speed has been a debacle since it resulted in rushed and untrustworthy vaccines.

It’s hilarious that you people were touting Operation Warp Speed as one of Trump’s accomplishments just days ago!

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Apparently donald is getting ready to make a PSA.

Might help him in the courts later on!!!

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There are rules for approvals and they have been followed.

I would hope so!

However idiots using that as an excuse or lying about made up allergies should not mean vaccination should be stopped.

If you have people that lie, that would be wrong, but so far I don’t know any person that has lied about their symptoms or allergic reactions to the vaccine

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I’m glad “conservatives” are admitting Trump’s Operation Warp Speed has been a debacle

Huh? how so? It was the Democrats that taunted and told Trump it could never be done, even mini medical expert said it couldn’t be done, so much for that.

It’s hilarious that you people were touting Operation Warp Speed as one of Trump’s accomplishments just days ago!

Still do.

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When people claim they might be allergic to a vaccine they haven't even taken, it is lying.

donald's supporters have proved time and time again they will make misleading and false claims about Covid and its treatment because they believe it suits their politics.

Their leader meanwhile has taken the vaccine, hidden the fact from everyone.

What a bunch!!!

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