While U.S. President Donald Trump insists there is still a pathway to victory, some Republicans are criticizing the incumbent's strategy of seeking to overturn or block election results and are acknowledging Democrat Joe Biden as the president-elect Photo: AFP
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Walls close in on defiant Trump

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By Michael Mathes

President Donald Trump faced growing pushback from fellow Republicans Friday for resisting Joe Biden's election victory, as the increasingly isolated president pursued his crusade against defeat in an angry stream of tweets.

Insisting against all odds that a path to victory remains viable, Trump was meeting Friday with Michigan lawmakers in a bid to pressure districts in key states to overturn the voters' will.

But logic dictates that his days in the White House are numbered, with battleground states that sealed President-elect Biden's Nov 3 win rapidly approaching deadlines to certify their election results.

"Numbers don't lie," said Brad Raffensperger, the Republican secretary of state in Georgia -- which was poised Friday to certify Biden's win.

"I believe that the numbers that we have presented today are correct," he added, saying: "The numbers reflect the verdict of the people."

Senator Lamar Alexander became the latest Republican to nudge Trump, saying Biden "has a very good chance" of becoming the next president and should be provided "all transition materials, resources and meetings necessary to ensure a smooth transition."

The outgoing president though has bunkered down in the mansion, and for nearly two weeks has done something unimaginable one month ago: shunned the media.

He has maintained his busy tweeting scheduled however.

"A Rigged Election!" Trump fumed on Twitter Friday morning, calling the vote a "HOAX" and retweeting conservative personalities arguing that Biden's victory was fraudulent, and that Republican senators who accept the Democrat's win should be challenged in their next elections.

He notably retweeted a message about stopping the electoral "fraud and abuse" posted by Georgia Republican congresswoman-elect Marjorie Taylor Greene, who supports the QAnon conspiracy theory.

While Biden's team plows ahead preparing for taking over on January 20 -- his team announced new White House senior staff Friday -- Trump appears in denial.

He took the unprecedented step Friday of hosting at the White House two legislative leaders from Michigan, where Trump's team seeks to block the state from certifying the vote.

Biden won Michigan by 155,000 votes, a margin more than 10 times higher than Trump's state victory in 2016.

Biden, who turned 78 on Friday, slammed Trump as "irresponsible" for the move which also alarmed some Republicans.

Senator Mitt Romney accused Trump of trying to "subvert the will of the people and overturn the election" by pressuring local officials.

"It is difficult to imagine a worse, more undemocratic action by a sitting American president," Romney, the 2012 Republican presidential nominee, said in a statement late Thursday.

Trump's legal team fights on, however.

Rudy Giuliani and other lawyers hosted a conspiracy-laden press conference Thursday peddling unsupported allegations that Democratic "crooks" committed widespread fraud to deny Trump reelection.

The event fueled Trump's last-ditch effort to throw out ballots in counties that voted heavily Democratic, force recounts and otherwise delay the process enough so that an insufficient number of states will have finalized their results before the Electoral College votes on Dec 14.

Republican Senator Ben Sasse slammed the tactics as undemocratic.

"Wild press conferences erode public trust. So no, obviously Rudy and his buddies should not pressure electors to ignore their certification obligations under the statute," Sasse said.

Another Senate Republican, Iowa's Joni Ernst, said it was "absolutely outrageous" for Trump lawyers to declare that Democrats and Republicans might have rigged the election.

In a further blow to Trump's long-shot hopes of overturning results, Georgia officials on Friday were to formally certify Biden's victory there, the first time a Democratic presidential candidate has carried the southern state since 1992.

Georgia conducted a hand recount of some five million ballots, reaffirming that Biden won by more than 12,000 votes.

Trump's campaign will likely demand yet another recount.

While a growing number of Republicans are calling for Trump's administration to recognize Biden as president-elect, the party's leaders on Capitol Hill have attempted to humor the president -- while some conservatives are doubling down in his support.

Republican Jim Jordan wrote the House Judiciary Committee calling for an investigation into the election's integrity "amid troubling reports of irregularities and improprieties."

But more than two weeks after the election, a Pew Research poll shows Americans approve of Biden's conduct far more than Trump's.

Sixty-two percent said Biden's conduct since November 3 has been excellent or good, compared to just 31 percent who said the same of Trump.

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Trump and Rudy G. are the new faces of the Republican Party.

They are continuing to undermine the democratic principles the republic is built on, attacking elections and voting, cornerstone to democracy.

Trump is trying to steal the election.

BIDEN WON THE ELECTION!!!!

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I hope the walls that are closing in on him have bars, too.

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Trump is meeting with a Michigan state senator and representative.

My most optimistic hope for the meeting is that they tell Trump the truth that he lost Michigan and can encourage him to accept the results. Trump was friendly with another call to an election official, and he may be friendly with these guys.

They are in legal jeopardy should they do something for Trump that benefits themselves. The Mich DA will be issuing subpoenas and really mess up their political career and could face up to ten years of prison. Trump couldn't pardon them. Don't know that will happen, but it is the obvious intent of the meeting outside of my optimistic hope. Optimistic also because it would be undemocratic and could cause all kinds of problems.

Just wouldn't want to see people go to jail for getting close to a drowning man.

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So the election chaos proceeds as planned! Civil war slated to kick off early 2021

people should stop fighting amongst themselves and realize the 2 party system is just the illusion of choice

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Walls? The walls Donald promised to build?

The man should finally accept was has been decided.

He is out (well maybe not out of the walls that will surround him pretty soon), and Biden is in .... as the next POTUS!

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Trump is meeting with a Michigan state senator and representative.

He’s also calling on republicans held state houses to refuse to certify the election and select pro-Trump electors to cast votes in his favor. Repugnant as.

No rational adult with a measurable level of intelligence can continue to deny that Trump cares more for himself than our country. They also cannot continue to deny that he has had a severely corrosive effect on our democratic republic and the institutions that underpin it.

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> Walls? The walls Donald promised to build?

The man should finally accept was has been decided.

That Mexico isn’t going to pay for his non-existent wall? That’s asking a bit much of a petulant rich kid who has never had to work a day in his life or accept responsibility for anything.

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Those who follow Trump may well create their own party like UKIP in Britain or the Front National in France down the road. It's better for the GOP to split into two entities.

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Trump has to move on, this has gone off the rails. He deserves credit for all he did, but he is his worse enemy right now. There just isnt anything there to suggest massive fraud. He got a really bad deal in 2020: COVID, media, and the mail in ballots but that does not equal conspiracy. GWB2 had 9/11, the financial meltdown, and he had to move on, it happens. People have accepted he lost, and moved on to Biden. A constitutional crisis and switch back to Trump would be unstable, its bigger than Trump now, its the transfer of power. I think Biden is all about nothing and deserves no credit for anything until he proves himself, but it looks like things are moving back to the center, with moderate dems and diversity in the repub ranks with fresh senators. I can live with that, Ive made the transition. I was concerned the radical left would take over, seems things might go to the center...who knows.

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P.Smith

all you can expect from a man who has been fed with golden spoons all his life!

He has divided the US to a point I've never seen in my life!

But back to the topic, even quite some Republicans (try to) tell him where his limits are.

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Walls close in on defiant Trump

And Mexico offers to pay?

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I had a very open mind and wanted to see evidence. As much as I see Trump as being unfit if he really had something I would say challenge the results.

However it appears that their argument is weak.

Trump does not deserve the office. He has been derelict in his duty. Seeing him on a golf course while the pandemic is exploding is disgusting and a slap in the face to Americans. On the other end we have California politicians at the French Laundry and off to Hawaii while locking down Californians).

Seeing all of this (from both extremes) makes President Elect Biden look very reasonable.

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This is a dangerous time for the US. The man-baby is flailing around trying to find ways to get revenge on everybody that he thinks is responsible for his national/international status as a major LOSER!

He is has been sulking around in embarrassment. Now he is hiding out in the WH for the holidays trying steal something and hoping to barricade himself in. Not to mentio his cronies are destroyiing documents as we speak that incriminate him with world leaders in Russia, China, NK, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia.

Unlike Pres. Obama who left the US better off than when he received it, the idiot currently in the WH is going to make it even worse for the country then tell his ignorant followers that it is Pres. Biden's fault, and they should have elected him again.

He is already fuming because if there is a cure for COVID-19 then Biden will get credit for it.

The only solution is to lock him up or at least prosecute him in the public eye. Anything less will just fuel more conspiracy theories.

If not, trump will be pi'#&'g in the punch bowl for the next 4 years (Domestic terrorism).

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He got a really bad deal in 2020: COVID, media, and the mail in ballots but that does not equal conspiracy. 

He’s been his own worst enemy since day one. Mishandling covid and almost everything else. As far as you claiming the media gave him a raw deal, damn it to hell for reporting Trump’s words and actions!!!!!

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@Tokyo Eng,

My concern was the radical left, but it seems things have self corrected to the center. Trump should shake on it, and just hand it over, there is nothing there when it comes to conspiracy, it would help the transition and his image. This drama is making things worse. I agree that Biden might be handling the pandemic better, but thats not saying much because now there is a vaccine, that he had nothing to do with. I agree that a temp lockdown might be needed because of the surge, but when there is light at the end of the tunnel, thats a much different situation to deal with than what we were hit with in March.

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@TheLongTermer

As an old “kusojiji” I’m always open to listen to other ideas but in the case of Trump I really have to say he has been his own enemy.

The way he has acted over the past couple of weeks is an embarrassment. He is obviously a true narcissist megalomaniac. He is not “Hitler” or anything like that but he is just not suited for the job and therefore “he’s fired”.

He did not cause the virus and we will never know how others may have handled it but he certainly did not take it seriously enough,

Biden has the right idea; don’t prosecute him for anything and just put this all behind us and start trying to bring people together and focus on doing something positive to help all Americans.

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TheLongTermerToday  07:10 am JST

Trump has to move on, this has gone off the rails.

There's a sensible attitude. I doubt it'll be shared by many of Trump's JT cult.

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The trump dream team submitted an affidavit alleging irregularities in Michigan voting, but the affidavit contained data about Minnesota!!!!

The depths these geniuses fall to is mind boggling.

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the 2 party system is just the illusion of choice

True. I was forced to vote for someone I wouldn't have selected. OTOH, my vote was in the 12K+ that mattered in Georgia.

Next is the US Senate runoff in Georgia. I will be voting the opposite this time from what I voted in November. Cannot allow 1 party to have all three parts of the law-making process. That is just too scary, though I really wish fiscal conservatives controlled the House (where all spending bills start) and the Libs controlled the Senate and Prez.

January 20th can't come quickly enough for Americans and our non-political govt employees! They all want to get back to work, following science in making recommendations, not delusional rants.

Don't misunderstand, about 20% of what Prez Trump did was good, but that other 80% was usually scary.

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Nobody likes a bad loser.

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I think he got allot of things done, and got no credit for it...but this does not equate conspiracy. If there is something there, we deserve to see it. I dont see anything. Trump was a disrupter, and exposed allot that is wrong in gov. What he is doing now, however, I cannot agree with. He should step out graciously with charm, and campaign in Georgia. 2020 was a twisted year, and I have absolutely no admiration for Biden or the dems, but people have moved on. You cant let the system judge the new team if they arent allowed to move in. The dictator like behavior....its really a bad look, this has gone too far. The media will come for Biden but with Trump in the way, its just making him look more ridiculous.

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I think he got allot of things done, and got no credit for it

He did get A LOT of credit for what he did. Just look at the most mainstream of the MSM - Fox “News” - to see all of the credit he got. Also, looked at the 70 million votes he received, which is A LOT of credit for what he did.

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Michigan Sec of State to certify Biden as winners Michigan electors Tuesday

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The trump dream team submitted an affidavit alleging irregularities in Michigan voting, but the affidavit contained data about Minnesota!!!!

Trump has provided some laughs along the way. My personal favourite was him saying he’d release his tax returns, then refusing to do so and afterwards tweeting he’s running the most transparent administration in history. That is superb trolling.

The predictable idiocy and incompetence we can see as his phalanx of clowns chase his conspiracy theory is less funny. The country needs a focused leader at this time, or at least one willing to cooperate with the incoming administration. Trump’s s##tgibbonry is costing lives.

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You cant let the system judge the new team if they arent allowed to move in.

But your comment which follows is trying to do exactly that...

I agree that Biden might be handling the pandemic better, but thats not saying much because now there is a vaccine, that he had nothing to do with.

and it's completely unfair to Biden to suggest that would be any different. What IS different is how they are handling it NOW... and you are correct that Biden is doing a better job of it. TBH though... Trump did pass off the handling of it to Pence and in that regard, maybe we should be looking at Pence as the major failure.

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Amazing Rudy press conference with his hair dye running down his face like a horror movie.

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The republicans are playing this smart. By letting the lame duck fight, they allow Trump to kill what ever bit of political credibility he has left, tag and list his newly elected congressional supporters and isolate them when the next term starts. Hard part is just the waiting and recording.

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So much winning this past 2 weeks; by those who believe in Democracy. trump is a reverse Midas, anyone still on that boat after everything we’ve seen deserves to go down with it. Absolutely nuts.

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Why doesn't Twitter censor him for misinformation?

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Mary Trump said of her uncle that it's ok to win even by cheating, and that is what he is trying now. Say the other side cheated to divert the attention, and trying every unimaginable attempts to confuse and overrun the popular vote.

In a sense this will be a great case study for judicial authorities, they'll know how to handle those loonies in the future.

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He needs a padded cell.

Trump has divided the country more than any of the other 12 presidents within my life. Hard to say how long, if ever, it will take to heal.

Very different from his slogan about making America Great Again.

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Sixty-two percent said Biden's conduct since November 3 has been excellent or good, compared to just 31 percent who said the same of Trump.

Which means that 31% of the respondents are still sick with the stupidity pandemic! Which seems to be incurrable!

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Seems like many Trump apologists are finally seeing what a lowlife loser Trump is now that he is refusing to admit he lost badly. But the fact is Trump is no different now than when he began to take office. Trump supporters may need to ask themselves why did it take you four years to see the obvious.

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The dictator like behavior....its really a bad look, this has gone too far. The media will come for Biden but with Trump in the way, its just making him look more ridiculous.

Like he gives a damn what former supporters think. He's for himself, not the fools that supported him.

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The US records the highest number of daily covid-19 deaths in a single day since May. Thursday 2,015 deaths and more than 187,000 new cases.

Trump is blocking President-elect Biden from having access to government info on the covid-19.

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He's finally got his wall. Encircling him, forever.

Must admit, I will miss the warm up act, Rudi. He's a dye-hard Trump disciple, for sure, but he's also comedy gold.

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Trump is toast. He'll soon be just a bad memory. America is now moving on, but the ills that spawned him remain. One trope that has been harmful to political maturity is the specter of socialism:

My concern was the radical left,

But what "radical left"? Where? In Amerika? The Left is a chimera, a bogeyman conjured up by the establishment to spook a naive population (72+million) into paroxysms of paranoia and xenophobia . Both parties stand well to the right of even the conservative parties of established European democracies. America has no social democratic party and has consequently now become a dysfunctional plutocracy with a polarized society sickened on right-wing propaganda promoting racism and religiosity.

If Biden continues to do the bidding of the DNC and does not tack left to give the people the health care and jobs they need, want and expect so that they can live their lives with more assurance and less stress and, if he makes no progress on abolishing mass incarceration, curbing police violence and burying the toxic legacy of racism and injustice, then a demagogue smarter and more dangerous than the conman from Queens will come. It is ironic, but symbolically fitting that hope for a better America will likely soon be in the hands of a multi-ethnic woman with an immigrant background. The fairy story continues...

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I wonder if Trump will declare himself as President for life. Then have his lackeys in the military enforce his decision. Arrest any opposition to his new dictatorship. The Trump supporters do not care about the rule of law, only Trump remaining President.

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Ivanka was whining on Twitter yesterday about all the open investigations against her family!!!

When Ivanka has a meltdown you know things are bad.

The walls sure are closing , so are the cell doors.

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Trump never admits he lost the election. He is really the worst loser in US history. He looks more like a Brazilian, Georgian president. They similar dictators. No more democracy there.

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The reps from Michigan released a statement after meeting with Trump:

"We have not yet been made aware of any information that would change the outcome of the election in Michigan and as legislative leaders, we will follow the law and follow the normal process regarding Michigan’s electors, just as we have said throughout this election."

Georgia just said they will certify for Biden.

Can't stop what's comin'.

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Trump and Rudy G. are the new faces of the Republican Party. 

No, they’re goal is to cast a light on this election and highlight the voter irregularities of what has happened and they have the absolute right to pursue this course of action not to mention to ensure these kinds of shenanigans don’t happen again and now the Dems, the dominion software, the voting machines...

They are continuing to undermine the democratic principles the republic is built on, attacking elections and voting, cornerstone to democracy. 

If you say that then Stacy Abraham fought on didn’t concede still didn’t technically so in that case the same standard should to her as well and she still thinks she was robbed.

Trump is trying to steal the election.

Not him, but seeing the videos and seeing all those “sworn” affidavits should be looked at, taken seriously and scrutinized, Gore alleged the same in 2000 and he was given the chance to prove and make his case and Trump also, there’s still time and he should use it, it won’t change the outcome but that is his constitutional right as an American bring forth all allegations.

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Giuliani is certifiably crazy. Trump is certifiably a narcissistic sociopath. He has had his turn, failed miserably and it's time for someone who actually cares a bit more about the people to have a turn. If evidence later shows that Trump committed crimes before or during his tenure as POTUS, then he should be punished. That's how life works. Do the crime, do the time. If no evidence is found, he shouldn't go to prison and can continue to cheat on one of his golf courses (if he can hang on to them).

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there’s still time and he should use it

Quarter of a million dead, and you still want 45 to stall and put more lives in jeopardy?

Maybe if one of his kids got the virus he might get over the fact that he lost, and concentrate on what's important for your nation's health. What do you reckon?

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to ensure these kinds of shenanigans don’t happen again and now the Dems, the dominion software, the voting machines...

First they have to prove shenanigans happened at all. And they can’t.

If you have any evidence, get it to Rudy quick because so far they have nothing. You know this.

It’s just pathetic smearing, no better than kindergarten level.

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It’s just pathetic smearing, no better than kindergarten level.

It's all they have.

All they ever had, come to think of it. Must be a scary time for them, as the walls of (their) reality come tumbling down.

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@Bass

I read your post a couple of times and I understand your points. I have always said I am willing to listen to the arguments of those supporting Trump on this issue. I am reading what you are saying and I do not agree. Please allow me to elaborate.

The problem is it seems they have not provided any solid evidence of the voting machines switching votes.

I am liberal and certainly not a Trump supporter but I also watch Tucker Carlson (yes I like to hear both sides of arguments). Even Tucker Carlson has said no evidence has been presented and he asked the lady who is claming the machines changed votes for evidence and he offered her his entire show to present it......nothing from her at all.

Considering they did not take this offer from Tucker Carlson (a very, very widely watched show during prime time) leads me to believe they have nothing. Yes; the issue with Carlson does not prove the allegations of rigged voting machines are false but it gives a pretty solid argument to the fact they have nothing.

Also as you correctly stated the outcome will not change.

Considering the above two issues I believe Trump really needs to concede and allow the country to move forward. What he is doing now is really proving to his distractors (I am one of them) that he truly only cares about himself.

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The election is playing out just liked I hoped, with Trump being dragged from the White House like an infant having a tantrum.

I need to order some more popcorn while the cultist babble about 'Dominion' and any other meaningless scraps that have been thrown their way.

But let's face it, they weren't all wrong - some were calling "landslide" a couple of weeks ago. In that sense they were correct, but just had the wrong party.

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The problem is it seems they have not provided any solid evidence of the voting machines switching votes.

Oh, is that the problem? Thanks Sherlock. Case solved.

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@wipeout. Ok Watson. Roger that. Glad you agree

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My concern was the radical left,

But what "radical left"? Where? In Amerika? The Left is a chimera, a bogeyman conjured up by the establishment to spook a naive population (72+million) into paroxysms of paranoia and xenophobia . Both parties stand well to the right of even the conservative parties of established European democracies. America has no social democratic party and has consequently now become a dysfunctional plutocracy with a polarized society sickened on right-wing propaganda promoting racism and religiosity.

Exactly! But what I will also offer is that corporations and their political supporters need to realize that capitalism as it is practiced in the US is a grim distortion of the sorts of competitive markets with a multitude of sellers envisioned by Adam Smith and David Ricardo when they laid out the intellectual foundations of market capitalism. In the US, this distorted version of capitalism is currently emiserating a large swath of the American public. Most working wage earners think their lives will be worse than that of their parents and see limited or no way to change this. When you have a situation like this that appears to be hopeless for so many, they will quite naturally and predictably reject the current economic system and seek something else. A problem for the US is that economics is not often taught in secondary schools and few undergraduates will ever matriculate an economics class (gawd, how dreary they will often tell you). So we have a nation of economic illiterates, including most politicians, that don't really know what a functioning competitive market should look like to know how far from that the nation is. So a few vocally grasp at socialism not really knowing that that is either, mostly out of anger at big corporations, and start promoting that as the solution. It isn't.

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I guess I should add that corporations and their political water carriers are shooting themselves in the foot by allowing these distortions to persist. If these companies really understood their long term interest and could worry less about the next financial quarter, they might not be in such a hurry to merge or do all the other things they do to reduce competition in major markets. Just because one can do something doesn't always mean one should and corporations need to rethink their approach to the conduct of business and in particular mergers and acquisitions before they are all figuratively burned at the stake. They really do have a strong interest in a thriving and upwardly mobile middle class if they want customers for their products in the future.

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 the dominion software

Isn't this the software from 1973 and not used in the election? Makes for a good conspiracy theory if you believe that would be even remotely possible.

If you say that then Stacy Abraham fought on didn’t concede still didn’t technically so in that case the same standard should to her as well and she still thinks she was robbed.

That is a good analogy, but it fails in not being comparable. She was running against a person who actually altered the election results. That is what Trump is asking the Michigan politicians.

Nice to know that you know Stacy Abrams name. She' s coming for the Senate majority. I'd be scared of Stacy Abrams too. She's causing conservatives to worry, that voters will vote. Happy to see it.

No, they’re goal is to cast a light 

If buy cast a light, it can only mean to awaken conservative's to their failing ability to control voters.

There is also the idea to keep the current power with his supporters as an ex-president.

Trump and his cronies are just filling the air with lies and poison.

The only solution would be to put criminal investigations into action and tell him to retire or they go forward. Yes, that is blackmail done by prosecutors every day. Probably best to send him to jail for all his past and current crimes.

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Maybe if one of his kids got the virus he might get over the fact that he lost, and concentrate on what's important for your nation's health. What do you reckon?

Don Jr. tested positive. So, we will see.

I see Trump as a modern day Jupiter, eating his children to preserve his rule. Sorry Don Jr., your toast.

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The 'kid' in the WH should be spanked for misbehave!

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Oh, is that the problem? Thanks Sherlock. Case solved.

Generally that's how things work. You claim something exists or has happened, provide the evidence.

If you claimed you owned a dog, I probably wouldn't demand the evidence. If you claimed that that there had been a massive conspiracy to change an election, I need some pretty good evidence. As we stand, there is none. Therefore, we can assume that the elected victor is Biden. End of.

(I am answering as though you are not being sarcastic, but you quite likely are).

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@bass

No, they’re (sic) goal is to cast a light on this election and highlight the voter irregularities of what has happened and they have the absolute right to pursue this course of action not to mention to ensure these kinds of shenanigans don’t happen again and now the Dems, the dominion software, the voting machines...

Trying to decipher this word salad- do you believe Biden won- or there is such massive fraud (the Trump legal team is 0-27 thus far) that Trump is due a second term?

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Isn't it ironic that a man that started his bid for the Presidency by promising to build a wall of concrete and steel - and failed to do that - is now leaving the Presidency by building walls of lies and distortions...

And, as been pointed our above, will be facing significant time behind thick brick walls once he is turned out on Jan 20th...

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He has maintained his busy tweeting schedule however.

oh, the shade. LOL

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*Quarter of a million dead, and you still want 45 to stall and put more lives in jeopardy?*

He’s not, he’s not a governor and yes, I think and hope and support the President should use his constitutional authority and use all avenues to pursue this, the Democrats would, they would never stop and would be unrelenting in trying to prove they were robbed, so Trump has more than enough time.

Maybe if one of his kids got the virus he might get over the fact that he lost,

No, Don Jr. has been tested positive, but he’ll pull through.

and concentrate on what's important for your nation's health.

Tell that to Gavin Newsom

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Not him, but seeing the videos and seeing all those “sworn” affidavits should be looked at, taken seriously and scrutinized, 

Me too, Bass. Bring 'em on! That weird robot lady that the Trump campaign is rolling out seems to have a lot of them.

But the walls are closing in on Trump. There is a window, but it has bars on.

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The 'kid' in the WH should be spanked for misbehave!

Exactly. I have thought that so many times, that the man child needs a good paddling and then have to sit in the time out chair until it's time to brush his teeth and go to bed.

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It's refreshing to see some Trump supporters here recognize that "the game is over", and for the good of the country, it is time to move and and proceed with the transition from Trump to Biden...

But as expected, some of the more fervent "believers" refuse to accept reality...so a question for them...

If all these accusations of fraud are true, why are Trump's lawyers making the legal case for these allegations, forced to admit in court that "this is not a fraud case"?

Trump's Arizona lawyer said; "we are not alleging fraud or that the election was stolen"...

Even Giuliani had to say; “This is not a fraud case.” 

Could it be that Trump and his lawyers are free to make any wild accusation or crazy conspiracy in public, but once in a courtroom, and under oath, are forced to tell the truth under penalty of contempt?

And if this is true, is this not just one more Trump con-job?

The light is coming on for some, when will it come on for the others?

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@bass,

Each and every one of the Trump campaign's allegations has been demonstrated in court to be false. Every single one. Not one allegation has had any merit. Judges have even had to force Trump campaign attorneys to back down and admit they are not alleging fraud. The bit about Dominion was laughable on its face. The US Army conducting a law enforcement raid in Germany? Really? And people believed it. The US Army doesn't have any such authority to do that in the US much less a foreign country. Then the best part, Dominion is wholly US owned and its servers are in the US. The bit about the supposed food truck full of forged ballots brought in through a back door to a Pennsylvania vote counting center? Same door all the trucks loaded with ballots were unloaded at, and obtw the trucks were rented for the election and all of them had out of state license plates. They were just commercial rentals. Accusations that dead people voted turned out to be nonsense. The voters had the same names as dead people but different birth dates and social security numbers. Not only that the actual dead people had been removed from the voter rolls. As an exercise Google up how many other people are out there with your name. But to vote, the signature and address have to match your registration records so no fraud happened. Tucker Carlson had to apologize for that one and to his credit he did while explaining the non fraudulent truth. The Trump campaign is throwing everything they can come up with hoping something sticks but so far all of their allegations of deliberate fraud, or of massive computer glitches have been demonstrated to be false.

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What happened in Georgia is this: Stacey Abrams helped to stop the suppression of votes. That is what the GOP continuously want to do. Their actions are to try and suppress as many of the votes against them as they can. Stacey Abrams should be credited for registering so many who had their voices stifled before.

And in Michigan, it was shameless that two GOP officials wanted to not certify the votes from Detroit (mostly Black), but allow other areas of Wayne County (which are mostly White). But then again, it's par for the course for the GOP.

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The good news is that the institutions and courts of the various states and the Federal courts have proven to be resilient. So far they have shown themselves to be stronger than the attempts to subvert them. Even Republican majority legislatures have chosen to honor the will of their voters who have gone against their part for the sake of protecting the very institutions upon which the nation is founded. While it looks scary now, the nation will survive and be wiser for it.

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the Democrats would, they would never stop and would be unrelenting in trying to prove they were robbed, so Trump has more than enough time.

Getting down to « well the other bad guys would do the same so why can’t we, it’s so unfair ». First symptoms of despair

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Me too, Bass.

Thanks

But the walls are closing in on Trump. There is a window, but it has bars on.

Well, that won’t happen, so liberals don’t get your hopes up. Trump going to prison is equally to Trump getting this election overturned.

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bass4funkToday  10:38 am JST

Trump going to prison is equally to Trump getting this election overturned.

So you don't think he has any chance of changing the outcome and beating Biden, yet...

bass4funkToday  10:03 am JST

I think and hope and support the President should use his constitutional authority and use all avenues to pursue this,

"Pursue this?" You mean keep disputing the election outcome? Haven't you acknowledged that it's pointless?

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Then the best part, Dominion is wholly US owned and its servers are in the US. The bit about the supposed food truck full of forged ballots brought in through a back door to a Pennsylvania vote counting center?

I will say this, I wouldn’t deny, dismiss a sworn affidavit, I think they should be heard, you and I are not in any position to call these people crazy or whacked, they might be telling the truth, they might be lying, but you or I wouldn’t know that so these people should be taken seriously and heard and see if their testimonies hold up or not.

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So you don't think he has any chance of changing the outcome and beating Biden, yet...

Biden will do that for himself, he already is

"Pursue this?" You mean keep disputing the election outcome? Haven't you acknowledged that it's pointless?

overturning it, I do, but moving forward and focusing on 2024 now would be a fantastic time to continue to build up his base.

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Dominion Voting Systems was used in at least 24 states in November 2020, not only the states where Trump has filed lawsuits, of which there are five, not six.

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Trump will be too old to run, I mean crawl in 2024.

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Trump will be too old to run, I mean crawl in 2024

Healthier than Biden and it hasn’t stopped Biden, so....

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bass4funkToday  10:50 am JST

"So you don't think he has any chance of changing the outcome and beating Biden, yet..."

Biden will do that for himself, he already is

"Do that for himself?" Do what? Change the outcome of the election? You mean Biden is somehow going to mess things up so badly between now and January that Trump gets a second term?

"Pursue this?" You mean keep disputing the election outcome? Haven't you acknowledged that it's pointless?

overturning it, I do, but moving forward and focusing on 2024 now would be a fantastic time to continue to build up his base

So you didn't mean that he should use "his constitutional authority and pursue all avenues" to change the outcome, but use his power to pursue his own political ambitions? It doesn't look like he's thinking that way.

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2024 now would be a fantastic time to continue to build up his base.

Do you know the last time a president had a second non consecutive term? He has more chance of overturning this one.

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Trump is obese with a heart condition. The GOP won't want him in 2024. Heck they'll disown by next year.

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David Brooks said it well today - Trump is doing nothing but using a "firehouse of falsehoods"... Accurate, but I thought he was being too kind.

It appears even some of Trump's most ardent supporters have decided to exit the Trump crazy train.... First Rudy's latest meltdown (literally and figuratively) and his cohort lawyer saying Hugo Chavez helped steal the election - when Chavez has been dead since 2013. Then when Giuliani yells in front of the courthouse that the election "was fraudulent" and "stolen", then walks inside and says before the judge "this is not a fraud case" and "we are not alleging anything was stolen"....has all seemed to have crossed the rubicon for them...

The nightmare of the Trump Presidency will soon be over - it will be noted in history as an aberration - and a warning of the consequences foreign interference can have on free, democratic processes...

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Bob FosseToday  11:07 am JST

2024 now would be a fantastic time to continue to build up his base.

Do you know the last time a president had a second non consecutive term? He has more chance of overturning this one.

His base may look pretty impressive now but in 2024 I think we'll have found that a big chunk of it is made up of fairly reasonable people who will have dismissed Trump as soiled goods. They'll either give him credit for the strong economy but remember the narcissism, bankruptcies, nepotism, endless lies and fabrications, scandals and botched handling of the COVID-19 crisis, or decide it was all a big con perpetrated by a shameless fraud. Either way I don't see him having much of a base to speak of by 2024, especially not if the GOP and Fox News turn on him. Conservatives generally tend not to like losers very much.

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Before 2024 Trump will become debased.

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Every time I search "Trump News" on the Internet, every time I find some headlines about Trump for all the wrong reasons.

Given the end of Trump's presidency is around the corner and that he is still trying to trouble Biden, the only person who would grant him a pardon for his accumulated karma over the years. This make me wonder if Trump, except himself, will ever be outstupided by anyone in years to come.

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Rudy had one affidavit in his hand and wouldn’t disclose who it was from.

Reminds me of the time he went on tv is supposedly incriminating document which turned out to be newspaper clippings.

The idiots who are funding Rudy are in for another disappointing.

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"Do that for himself?" Do what? Change the outcome of the election?

I already talked about it.

You mean Biden is somehow going to mess things up so badly between now and January that Trump gets a second term?

Yup! Case in point, what happened with this blue wave sweeping over the nation, now you may not know this about US politics, but the Dems lost 11 House seats and not one single Republican did and that’s huge, in 2021 as Biden and these radicals implement their socialist policies at this rate they will lose the House just like they did in 2010 so let them try and give free stuff away and give student relief, take away private healthcare insurances, let them legalize 15 million illegals, this all goes in Trump’s favor and why wouldn’t it, add to that you have half the nation teed off, I can’t definitely Trump easily coming back.

So you didn't mean that he should use "his constitutional authority and pursue all avenues" to change the outcome, but use his power to pursue his own political ambitions?

As every politician would.

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Before 2024 Trump will become debased.

Not even close, quite the opposite actually.

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Not even close, quite the opposite actually.

Oh dear...

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Trump is obese with a heart condition.

He has more than enough money and the best healthcare to help him with that.

The GOP won't want him in 2024.

The GOP won’t go against Trump not if they want to lose future elections, the people don’t have an appetite for establishment conservatives.

The haters, they will and no one is paying attention to them, but the 70+ million won’t.

This is a warning to the entire Washington establishment and CNNs David Gergen is absolutely correct on this dire reality..

https://grabien.com/story.php?id=313491

But that he will leave office with some 70 million people who voted for him. A lot of them are going to back him up when he goes back into civilian life. And he will build a foundation to potentially run again. Certainly he’s building a foundation to be a shadow president.

I think he could leave the White House being the most powerful in the Republican Party. We won’t be giving him the kind of coverage we’ve given him, but he still will have a following of immense size.”

Dems are once again setting themselves up at underestimating this man and at their own political undoing.

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pathetic loser reinforces the image of being a pathetic loser.

He’s lucky this isn’t Romania in 89. They knew how to deal with his ilk.

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His base may look pretty impressive now but in 2024 I think we'll have found that a big chunk of it is made up of fairly reasonable people who will have dismissed Trump as soiled goods.

Yeah, that might be the Europeans thinking, but not so much for the Trump supporter, they didn’t bail on him with the Billy Bush tapes, Stormy, Cohen, the Russian hoax, the impeachment farce and now this garbage? No, they won’t and most are digging in their heels, thank God.

They'll either give him credit for the strong economy

Even more reason to support him, you are absolutely right on that.

but remember the narcissism, bankruptcies, nepotism, endless lies and fabrications, scandals and botched handling of the COVID-19 crisis, or decide it was all a big con perpetrated by a shameless fraud.

Yeah, liberals tried their best, they really did to push these narratives.

Either way I don't see him having much of a base to speak of by 2024,

I disagree 100% in fact, I think it betters his chances overall.

especially not if the GOP and Fox News turn on him.

Not Hannity, Carlson and Ingram the rest just get their marching orders from Lachlan

Conservatives generally tend not to like losers very much.

But they sure cling on to winners and people surround them. 70+ million ain’t no chump change.

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Dems are once again setting themselves up at underestimating this man and at their own political undoing.

You’ve been saying this the whole time and we’ve yet to see it. “Not even close, quite the opposite actually”.

In fact, just in case you hadn’t noticed and as a small reminder, the Dems just won and the whole world is watching trump’s political undoing.

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Anyone who thinks trump will run and win in 2024 is absolutely out of their mind.

Only ONE president has had 2 non consecutive terms. A Democrat, 130 years ago, 56 years old when re-elected.

But after all this, some unbelievably can believe an 82 year old, disgraced laughing stock will get a second chance. Oh my.

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I'm not too concerned with Trump in the future. No matter what he says or does he won't be able to shake the fact that he was a one-term loser. He can go after Biden all he wants but it will always come with the asterisk that he lost to him.

The GOP needs some new, fresh, young talent to keep up with demographics. Trump will fade into the background and at some point will only be supported by racists and bigots.

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You’ve been saying this the whole time and we’ve yet to see it. “Not even close, quite the opposite actually”.

Not really, if that were the case, millions wouldn’t March against it

In fact, just in case you hadn’t noticed and as a small reminder, the Dems just won

but lost 11 House seats, that’s not good, not good at all and Dems are worried about that.

and the whole world is watching trump’s political undoing.

For the left, yeah.

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Not really, if that were the case, millions wouldn’t March against it

They didn’t. You know this.

More people attended the Women’s March. It’s documented fact.

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Bass:. I wouldn’t deny, dismiss a sworn affidavit, I think they should be heard, you and I are not in any position to call these people crazy or whacked, they might be telling the truth, they might be lying, but you or I wouldn’t know that so these people should be taken seriously and heard and see if their testimonies hold up or not.

So how do you feel about the sworn affidavits women have made against Trump alleging sexual assault?

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so many of us thought he will be impeached

Errrrr... he was.

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@bass

The GOP won’t go against Trump not if they want to lose future elections, the people don’t have an appetite for establishment conservatives.

The first part of your statement is probably true, though why they’d want to lose future elections is beyond me. Their craven actions regarding Trump will more than likely ensure the GOP spends the next 4 years eating itself.

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After 4 years of incessantly claiming that US elections are hacked, the Democrats have finally convinced me.

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So many of us thought that in 2016,

You did.

so many of us thought he will be impeached,

He was.

so many of us thought Mueller was going to recommend him to be indicted,

That was never Mueller’s job.

liberals were out of their minds thinking this garbage.

You thought Trump was part of a lunatic fringe. Are you saying you’re a liberal?

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I'm not too concerned with Trump in the future. No matter what he says or does he won't be able to shake the fact that he was a one-term loser. He can go after Biden all he wants but it will always come with the asterisk that he lost to him.

Wait until Trump tries to claim Biden isn’t a US citizen. It must really burn Trump that he lost to Obama’s VP by such a huge margin and that Biden actually has a mandate from the people - determined by the winner of the popular vote - to govern.

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You did.

And never made that mistake again.

He was.

And acquitted forever as well. 

That was never Mueller’s job.

And failed to get Trump anywhere near close to a whiff of prison.

Are you saying you’re a liberal?

No, I’m saying Dems were wrong at every turn underestimating this man, they keep stepping in it.

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Is that why Moscow Mitch and Leningrad Lindsey were re-elected?

What?

Childish dodge after having stayed this:

Nope, I specifically answered a irrelevant question and gave it a relevant answer.

The only standard you have is a double standard.

Not anymore than Democrats, not even close.

It really is tiresome

I agree and we have 4 years of Biden to drag this out even further. Yaaawn...

Awesome! So that's one against Biden and 16 against Trump. Good to see you do a 180 on sworn affidavits to let these women's voices be heard

I didn’t, nice try, I just feel that everyone should be heard and even the people the Dems don’t want to hear from. Too funny these people.

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Awesome! So that's one against Biden and 16 against Trump. Good to see you do a 180 on sworn affidavits to let these women's voices be heard. 

That's growth.

Bingo!

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Nope, I specifically answered a irrelevant question and gave it a relevant answer.

First time for everything.

I agree and we have 4 years of Biden to drag this out even further. Yaaawn...

So don’t.

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I remember impeaching Trump was gonna be the end of the Democrats. Funny how that turned out.

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It’s gonna stop? Great!

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Fared Zaharia is on tv saying that the GOP is now a cult of Trump.

He’s correct. They are trying to steal an election Trump lost. They will try to repeat Mitch’s strategy.

Trumpism is the fever-dream of the cognitively challenged, the mentally unbalanced and/or the substance addicted.

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I remember impeaching Trump was gonna be the end of the Democrats. Funny how that turned out.

When Biden became the candidate, they celebrated, saying that said decision guaranteed a Trump win.

I guess that was Trumpet speak for now Trump is going to have to figure out a way to steal the election from Biden.

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What a bunch of Losers with a capital L.

If he and his supporters had been even a little gracious during their tenure there might be a little less schadenfreude now.

But it is what it. Enjoy.

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Biden declared winner in Georgia. Biden declared winner in  Michigan with Biden’s 154,000-vote margin of victory.

The Trump campaign has lost 33 court cases.

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Such small victories. Cling to whatever hopes you have left. At this point you’ve nothing more to lose.

Did you put all your savings in gold?

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