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Gang activity fuels Portland violence

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My sister lived in Portland, and when I visited, expecting a cool vibe, I was shocked at the right-wing influence. It's anarchy, not from the left, but from the right.

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The issue with this statement is that police have to have a reason to make a traffic stop.

True, but according to the left and BLM the cops can’t really do that. All these idiot pen pushing politicians that have never worked or walked the streets policing should just mind their own business and let the police do their jobs. If they are alerted or suspect a person is doing something illegal, it should always be within that cops discretion to pull someone over if needed.

If the vehicle is in good working order, the plates come back clean, and the occupants aren’t visually breaking the law, the police have no legal basis to initiate a traffic stop.

That’s visually, but if it’s a wanted fugitive or maybe someone that has committed a crime, or maybe one of the 4 occupants of the vehicle is wanted for a crime. We just don’t know, there is a reason why cities like Portland, Chicago and NYC are just spinning out of control. The cops have their hands behind their back and the criminals are reaping the benefits of what the Democrats are doing, so if you’re a thug, these are just the golden times for you.

Dulio appears to be advocating profiling, which is unconstitutional.

If the majority of crimes overwhelmingly are committed by a certain segment of a racial group of course they should be profiled more, that’s not being racist, that’s just going by all the police records and stats. I get it, it’s an uncomfortable thing, but we have to view the reality not in the way we would like to see things, but as it actually is.

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This is what happens when there are no gun laws based on protecting people.

Oregon gets a C+ from Gifford's Law Centre for its gun laws. It has:

Universal background checks

Extreme risk protection orders

Certain domestic violence gun laws

State database background checks.

The most pertinent to your comment are the universal background check law, and the state database checks. These go beyond federal law.

Although it lacks in other areas, such as open and concealed carry restrictions and child access prevention laws.

https://giffords.org/lawcenter/gun-laws/states/oregon/

This is evidence that the US needs more firearms and those firearms need to be more easily accessible.

And fewer gangs too, right?

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Gun laws only cover legal guns but American streets are flooded with illegal ones.

I'm not taking a side here. Oregon does have "gun laws based on protecting people" but they are proving pretty ineffective as related to their gang problem. In Gifford's list of laws Oregon doesn't have, assault weapons and large capacity magazine restrictions, and waiting periods won't have much, if any, effect. The others, absolutely.

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The police are supposed to serve and protect.

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oh, and a request; can we try to be civil and on topic this time? It's frustrating to see most gun-crime related sections shut down 20 or so comments in. Especially when American politics articles have much more vitriol but are allowed to continue to 100 comments.

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America has had gang problems for two hundred years.

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...and interestingly, California (A from Gifford’s) has the strongest gun laws in the country –all of those that Oregon lacks- and has more gun related homicides. I'm sure there are other factors involved also.

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/guns-crime/news/2019/11/20/477218/gun-violence-america-state-state-analysis/

American streets are flooded with illegal (guns).

And what of the gun laws that Oregon lacks will get those off the street? No, the police need to crack down on gangs. Put bangers in prison longer, stronger bail conditions, fund, staff and support the police department, reinstate the "specialized unit focused on curbing gun violence” (while hopefully not unfairly targeting specific racial groups). Gun violence reductions will follow.

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America could look to how Australia got rid of their guns.

Australia certainly succeeded in getting lots of guns out of circulation, although how effective it was in reducing gun violence differs depending on who you ask. The latest research seems to show it worked. And by a conservative prime minister, as well.

I'm not sure how that would go down in the States, though. Especially considering that last week, a Californian judge ruled that state's assault weapons ban unconstitutional, subject to appeal.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-35048251

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Or we could push for our elected Democrat leaders to enforce the gun laws already on the books.

Why only democrats when there are gangs in every state?

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Portland, like many other Democrat-controlled cities, is a cesspool.

Antifa and BLM have ruined them.

Defunding the police was a bad idea, after all.

It's actually a very good idea. Sadly, Portland has not defunded its police. So I don't know what you're referring to, here. It would do you good, in future, to do even a cursory Google on the subjects you want to discuss.

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Whoops! Turns out I was thinking of somewhere else. It's good to remember to follow one's own advice. Thanks, BL.

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My sister lived in Portland, and when I visited, expecting a cool vibe, I was shocked at the right-wing influence. It's anarchy, not from the left, but from the right.

Joey Gibson and his “Patriot” Prayer love crossing the Columbia and instigating violence in Portland.

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Flooded with a sea of guns obtainable on the streets for a few dollars. This is what happens when there are no gun laws based on protecting people.

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Oregon gets a C+ from Gifford's Law Centre for its gun laws. It has:

Nothing to boast about.

What Oregon Is Missing

Gun owner licensing

Assault weapon restrictions

Large capacity magazine ban

Waiting periods

Strong concealed carry law

Open carry regulations

Child access prevention laws

Lost & stolen firearm reporting

Gun laws only cover legal guns but American streets are flooded with illegal ones.

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And what of the gun laws that Oregon lacks will get those off the street? No, the police need to crack down on gangs. Put bangers in prison longer, stronger bail conditions, fund, staff and support the police department, reinstate the "specialized unit focused on curbing gun violence” (while hopefully not unfairly targeting specific racial groups). Gun violence reductions will follow.

America could look to how Australia got rid of their guns.

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America in 200 years has never dealt with its gang problems. Nothing has worked to date. There are more than 33,000 violent street gangs. Answers on a postcard to the FBI.

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Hispanic gangs form the largest group of ethnic-based gangs in the United States.

The Chicago Crime Commission publication "The Gang Book 1012" gave the statistic that Chicago has more gang members than any other city in the world with a reported population of 150,000.

Texarkana

The crime rates are 78% greater than the Texas average and 101% greater than the national average. SafeWise, in 2019, graded this city as the Most Dangerous City in the US. It recorded a violent crime rate of 420 for every 100,000 people based on the FBI's Crime Report.

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Answers on a postcard to the FBI.

Opportunities, education, intervention, housing support, living wages, dignity, hope.

A lot of gang violence these days is not from the big, organised syndicates we usually hear about, but rather, "independent neighborhood groups that don’t belong to any kind of broader cross-neighborhood type of street organization. They’re relatively small groups that are not involved in wide scale drug dealing or anything like that, typically." The article is about Chicago's gangs put perhaps more widely applicable.

https://www.thetrace.org/2020/07/chicago-gang-gun-violence-law-enforcement/

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This is evidence that the US needs more firearms and those firearms need to be more easily accessible.

“You took away the gun violence reduction team. There is nobody in this city doing traffic stops of these armed, violent shooters traveling the city looking for their rivals to shoot and who are going to vigils and lighting up an entire crowd,” said Duilio.

The issue with this statement is that police have to have a reason to make a traffic stop. If the vehicle is in good working order, the plates come back clean, and the occupants aren’t visually breaking the law, the police have no legal basis to initiate a traffic stop. Dulio appears to be advocating profiling, which is unconstitutional.

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Nobody is defunding the police!

oh wait....

city leaders slashed $27 million from the police budget — $11 million due to the pandemic-caused budget crisis and $15 million amid calls to defund the police —

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True, but according to the left and BLM the cops can’t really do that.

Incorrect.

All these idiot pen pushing politicians that have never worked or walked the streets policing should just mind their own business and let the police do their jobs. If they are alerted or suspect a person is doing something illegal, it should always be within that cops discretion to pull someone over if needed.

You clearly are unfamiliar with Fourth Amendment jurisprudence. If police are alerted or suspect a person is doing something illegal, it is within their discretion to pull someone over; however, the police have to be able to article what gave rise to the lie suspicion that illegal activity is being conducted. Police can’t just pull people over because the police feel a crime is on progress or about to happen.

The rest of you post is advocating for a police state and further demonstrates your lack of knowledge about Fourth Amendment jurisprudence.

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Incorrect.

Nope, very correct. Not one single one of these idiot politicians knows anything about policing and yet, the same people that are screaming the most about vilifying the police as a threat and danger are the same people that demand the police protect them? Ironic….

You clearly are unfamiliar with Fourth Amendment jurisprudence.

I’m very familiar and again, the police need to be affective in their work at stopping crime and if you cut the legs from underneath them, they can’t do it. If the police officer has made a mistake, you can always take it up later and file a report.

If police are alerted or suspect a person is doing something illegal, it is within their discretion to pull someone over; however, the police have to be able to article what gave rise to the lie suspicion that illegal activity is being conducted.

Yes, but if that person has priors or is associated with a suspect that was involved in a crime, it is also within that officers right to use discretion and judgment to ascertain the situation appropriately depending on the situation. I know, my brother is a cop.

Police can’t just pull people over because the police feel a crime is on progress or about to happen.

Well, this is the reason why NYC is a mess now and Chicago will always be a mess.

The rest of you post is advocating for a police state and further demonstrates your lack of knowledge about Fourth Amendment jurisprudence.

No, the rest of my post is advocating for a crackdown on crime. If you allow the police to do their job like in my town or in places like around Orange County, California or even Beverly Hills, you’re going to see less crime, a lot less.

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“The police have a role but their role is simply to solve crime — their role is not to prevent crime, their role is not to intervene in other community activities,”

That is some of the best Double Speak I've seen in a while. Tops even Biden and Harris. She should run for President.

“The police have a role but their role is simply to solve crime — their role is not to prevent crime" - True, but they're also there to protect the public and streets, and to do that you have to be proactive and assertive. Many police these days are too aggressive, which causes the knee-jerk reaction to defund.

"their role is not to intervene in other community activities,” - Just what does she mean by "community activities,”? A bake sale? A crack sale?

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Its very hard when people try to identify the Proud Boys as the "gang" the article is talking about. or try to claim that the anarchy from the "right" is the problem in Antifa town, Portland.

If we could discuss actual gangs and reasonable gun control, sure would be great. And would actually solve the problem.

I just dont see that Portland wants to take any actions necessary to change anything. To prevent violence, you cant excuse it when you see it, nor deflect the blame for it to someone who didnt do it, for politics or identity reasons.

Who do these gangs really consist of? what is their motivation? thats a good start.

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the mayor let Antifa get totally out of control. All the defund the police and the daily struggles with the "peaceful protesters" took up all the police resources, leading to fewer police available.

Seems the people of Portland didnt really consider this as violence they cared about and didnt pressure the mayor to stop it.

But it severely impacted the police department ability to respond to non Antifa crime as an unintended consequence. this emboldened actual, real gangs, who also increased activities. The mayor finally realized now that people expect him to do something about all this violent gang crime. his voters were for the "peaceful protests" but they arent going to put up with daily murders and other violent assaults.

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Its just a way to downplay the BLM/Antifa violence by shifting the focus to actual gang violence, with "people of color" being disproportionately impacted, of course and as always.

compared to actual gangs, BLM/Antifa are just peaceful protesters, in comparison.

Which is why the focus has shifted to gangs in the first place.

oh, who are the shooters by group or race, disproportionately? Doesnt seem to be written there.

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Portland, like many other Democrat-controlled cities, is a cesspool.

Antifa and BLM have ruined them.

Defunding the police was a bad idea, after all.

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America could look to how Australia got rid of their guns

…Or we could push for our elected Democrat leaders to enforce the gun laws already on the books. We could fund the police and give them sweeping powers to combat crime aggressively? Giuliani did it and he turned NYC which was a hell, rat infested violent city and made it one of the safest and Bloomberg as well, but DeBlasio and Cuomo have once again but back to violence and put the country back to where it was pre-1993

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Hispanic gangs form the largest group of ethnic-based gangs in the United States.

But not in Chicago, Baltimore, St.Louis, Oakland and Detroit.

The crime rates are 78% greater than the Texas average and 101% greater than the national average. SafeWise, in 2019, graded this city as the Most Dangerous City in the US. It recorded a violent crime rate of 420 for every 100,000 people based on the FBI's Crime Report.

Ok and as usual what does that have to do with the crimes that are mostly perpetrated by people of color? That’s not being racist, that’s just being factual.

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"Despite police pleas for more personnel, city leaders slashed $27 million from the police budget — $11 million due to the pandemic-caused budget crisis and $15 million amid calls to defund the police —"

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Then: Portland City Council defunds police bureau by $15 million

Portland City Council has passed a budget that takes $15 million away from the police bureau, after failing to get a unanimous vote last Thursday.

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/protests/defunding-portland-police-city-council-budget-15-million-cuts/283-239c5e3a-cfed-4dce-8775-d2c52a9df9aa

Now: Turner: Gun violence surge ‘directly related to defunding police’

“Our elected leaders can no longer turn a blind eye to this and blame this on the pandemic,” Turner said. “It is directly related to the defunding of police, the defunding of our staffing levels, defunding of units such as the Gun Violence Reduction Team, defunding of our staffing levels that have made us anemic, made us to the point where we can’t even respond to calls for service in a timely manner.”

https://www.koin.com/local/multnomah-county/turner-gun-violence-surge-directly-related-to-defunding-police/

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I thought Portland was a peaceful city? BLM had many peaceful protests there, right?

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P. SmithToday  07:43 am JST

Police can’t just pull people over because the police feel a crime is on progress or about to happen.

Totally wrong. Police can absolutely pull people over if the police feel a crime is in progress. If a car is speeding, driving erratically, blowing through red lights, this gives police the right under the Fourth Amendment to pull the car over.

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