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COVID-19 deaths in U.S. topping 1,900 a day

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Health experts say the vast majority of the hospitalized and dead have been unvaccinated.

These experts should clarify that they only count you as vaccinated if a full two weeks has passed since the injection.

So if you get the shot on Friday, and then get Covid 10 days later, they will count you as an unvaccinated person even though you tested positive after your injection.

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Burning Bush..

So if you get the shot on Friday, and then get Covid 10 days later, they will count you as an unvaccinated person even though you tested positive after your injection.

Yes, thats right. it takes that two weeks for the vaccine to fully kick in. The number of these is not so high. The dead are the anti vaccine cultists or those who believe their misinformation. I feel sad for the second group but the cultists.... Meh..

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I've come to the point where if the unvaccinated are dying at a higher rate, that is ultimately their decision. And while it is hurting the rest of the country by allowing the virus to spread and infect children who haven't been vaccinated, it is their choice. But if you make that choice, don't go running to the hospital looking to be cared for when you could have prevented this. Trust your god or whomever you believe in to care for you.

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Trust your god or whomever you believe in to care for you.

Absolutely. Thank you very much.

I have unlimited faith in my Creator, not in keeping my physical body alive forever, but in protecting my soul.

On the other hand, my faith in Pfizer is less than zero.

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don't go running to the hospital looking to be cared for when you could have prevented this. Trust your god or whomever you believe in to care for you.

It’s a serious point. There are medical professionals exasperated with the unvaccinated. They are getting others killed due to taking up much needed time and resources.

Perhaps it’s time for the unvaccinated ( not those who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons ) to agree not to bother the hospitals. Those unvaccinated for religious reasons can rely on prayer.

Given their general IQ and temperaments, they aren’t that much use to the economy in good times, but really are a drag on society at this moment in time.

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Given that people dying of natural and unnatural causes are given post mortem pcr tests and listed as dying from covid if they test positive for carrying the virus, we can take these “covid death” numbers with an extremely large pinch of salt.

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Given that people dying of natural and unnatural causes are given post mortem pcr tests and listed as dying from covid if they test positive for carrying the virus, we can take these “covid death” numbers with an extremely large pinch of salt.

You agreed with a post the other day stating that around only 6% of deaths attributed to Covid are actually Covid related deaths.

You declined to back this up.

Could you do it now?

I’m genuinely intrigued.

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There is definitely a direct correlation between this:

I have unlimited faith in my Creator, not in keeping my physical body alive forever, but in protecting my soul.

...and this:

On the other hand, my faith in Pfizer is less than zero.

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There is definitely a direct correlation between this:

I have unlimited faith in my Creator, not in keeping my physical body alive forever, but in protecting my soul.

...and this:

On the other hand, my faith in Pfizer is less than zero.

And ultimately this

"Health experts say the vast majority of the hospitalized and dead have been unvaccinated."

I'm sure it's what He would have wanted.

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Perhaps it’s time for the unvaccinated ( not those who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons ) to agree not to bother the hospitals. Those unvaccinated for religious reasons can rely on prayer.

It seems like a reasonable ask that those who choose not to get vaccinated also agree not to use the hospitals if they get sick from Covid. Vaccine deniers have chosen to refuse to follow the advice of the people they then want to care for them when they get sick of covid. This is an eat your cake and have it too type situation. They refuse the prevention measures the medical establishment are requesting them to take, while demanding treatment measures that put a higher burden on the same people whose advice they refused previously. And by taking up one of the spots in a hospital, they may be displacing someone who didn't refuse the requests of the medical establishment.

If the vaccine deniers truly believe that the virus doesn't affect the people in their age group so they have nothing to worry about, then their faith should also have them feeling good about voluntarily refusing any hospital treatment for covid if they get it.

Which of you vaccine deniers are reasonable enough to go along with this this request? Note that I'm not saying this should be mandated, I'm just looking for volunteers who can see how it's not fair to place demands on a medical system whose advice you have decided not to follow.

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Given that people dying of natural and unnatural causes are given post mortem pcr tests and listed as dying from covid if they test positive for carrying the virus, we can take these “covid death” numbers with an extremely large pinch of salt.

Whoa, that's quite a theory you have on a conspiracy there! You should call the news outlets and get them to report this story, it would be breaking news across the major networks.

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On the other hand, my faith in Pfizer is less than zero.

Mine too. And given that the FDA is now funded by the very big pharmaceutical companies it “regulates” my faith in the FDA isnt great either.

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You agreed with a post the other day stating that around only 6% of deaths attributed to Covid are actually Covid related deaths.

He won’t because it’s not true. It’s a loonie-tunes talking point from the dark web.

Yesterday, a poster of disinformation stated that NE states like Maine had higher rates of infections than states like TX sighting Johns Hopkins.

Seemed counter-factual so I had a look.

Under the category “lies, damn lies, and statistics” said day trader was talking about percentage increase/decreases in infections and hospitalizations.

As any real MBA would know, this is an apples to oranges comparison since so few are infected in NE, a small outbreak would equal a huge percentage increase.

A better way to compare (which is why he didn’t) would be to compare infections and hospitalizations per 100k population. This compares states on a like basis and is the only way to make comparisons of states (or companies) of varying sizes.

So here it is: Maine 67% fully vaccinated. Infections per 100k 35. Hospitalizations per 100k 15.

The “great” state of Texas: 50.8% fully vaccinated. Infections per 100k 52 (49% higher). Hospitalizations per 100k 45 (3 times higher).

this is all part of the gaslight by the loonie right trying to imply that COVID isn’t deadly, the #s are fudged and the vaccines don’t work so why bother?

It is, they aren’t and they most certainly do work.

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I have unlimited faith in my Creator, not in keeping my physical body alive forever, but in protecting my soul.

On the other hand, my faith in Pfizer is less than zero.

Aren't Pfizer's vaccines part of god's will? S/he's given you all a "simple, safe and effective," and not to mention FREE preventative measure. Pretty rude of you all not to take it.

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”I don’t trust big pharma” This is the same crowd that swears by a horse de-wormer made my Merick who specifically says “Don’t take this product to fight COVID 19.”

You can’t make this stuff up, folks.

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“Sixty-five is still pretty young," the young man said. “I know that. It seems sudden and unexpected, but COVID didn’t surprise God. His death wasn’t a surprise to God. The God I serve is bigger than that."

It's very sad that poorly educated, gullible and simple-minded people like this are dying in droves in the US. Religion, and those who manipulate it for profit, really have a lot to answer for.

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said day trader was talking about percentage increase/decreases in infections and hospitalizations.

Which is what it was clearly identified as when posted.

Which states are increasing in cases in the last week? oddly, it’s some of the most vaccinated states that have the highest increase in COVID cases.

fact.

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People didn’t vote for Biden to still have 1900 deaths per day from COVID almost 11 months later.

That’s a failure.

Which efforts do you feel Trump took or would have taken, or even any things you'd recommend, that would not be resulting in these 1900/day deaths?

Remember, anyone can criticize, but only people who aren't useless can come up with solutions. We didn't see any solutions from Trump last year, and you seem to be indicating that there are some not being implemented this year. So what are they?

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While the Biden plan is a "big step in the right direction," says Dr. Leana Wen, a visiting of health policy and management at George Washington University, it should have been released two months ago. That would have slowed the delta variant from gaining such a strong foothold in the U.S. 

"Had they acted much earlier, we would be in a different position," she said.

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*Which is what it was *clearly identified as when posted. 

And it is clearly a false comparison meant to disinform. An actual apples to apples comparison of cases and hospitalizations per day clearly shows that the NE us a success and the “great” state of Texas is a case study in failure.

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you didn’t see any solutions from Trump last year? Are you sure? Where did this vaccine come from then?

From private industry. Trump had as much to do with it as I did - we both really wanted them to make a vaccine fast for our own personal benefit.

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The increasingly lethal turn has filled hospitals, complicated the start of the school year, delayed the return to offices and demoralized health care workers.

But if I don't get vaccinated, my choice doesn't affect anyone else, right?

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clearly shows that the NE us a success and the “great” state of Texas is a case study in failure.

Not in the last week. Those highly vaccinated states have more cases by percentage increase and Texas has less with a huge decrease percentage wise.

aren’t you even a littttle curious why highly vaccinated liberal states with few to no “Trump supporters” to blame have these huge increases in cases?

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Not in the last week. Those highly vaccinated states have more cases by percentage increase and Texas has less with a huge decrease percentage wise.

Sounds like fake news from the right-wing MSM to me. Color me skeptical.

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And one of those deaths was;

Mother of four Christen Lowery, 40 years old from California, who proudly posted she was "unmasked, unmuzzled, and unvaccinated" calling herself a "free thinker" died today of COVID....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10009793/Mother-four-unmasked-unmuzzled-unvaccinated-dies-COVID-19-age-40.html

She is now free of her life and her children are free of a mother....

When will the craziness on the far-right end....

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BlacklabelToday  09:10 am JST

clearly shows that the NE us a success and the “great” state of Texas is a case study in failure.

Not in the last week. Those highly vaccinated states have more cases by percentage increase and Texas has less with a huge decrease percentage wise.

Let me make this easy for you. In 1990, the Shenzhen special economic zone had a year on year GDP growth rate of 25%.

By comparison the US GDP was somewhere around 3%.

Now an uneducated person (cough cough) would say “Why is this SOE eating America’s lunch?”

An educated rational person would realize that at that point Shenzhen was 1 generation from being a fishing village and any economic growth was going to look huge in percentage terms.

On the other hand the US was (and is) the worlds largest economy and even small amounts of growth in % terms have large impacts.

That’s why you comparison is intellectually dishonest.

But you know that being a business expert...

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COVID-19 pandemic cut U.S. life expectancy by more than 9 million years

https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-pandemic-cut-u-090012922.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

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Helix

Given that people dying of natural and unnatural causes are given post mortem pcr tests and listed as dying from covid if they test positive for carrying the virus, we can take these “covid death” numbers with an extremely large pinch of salt.

Yes. They are greatly undercounted.

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In my example, Shenzhen is Maine; a smaller state doing a good job on vaccination with a small bump in absolute terms that has a larger effect in percentage terms BECAUSE THE STATE WAS ALREADY DOING SUCH A GOOD JOB.

The “great” state of Texas, on the other hand has done a crap job, can have a 50+% reduction in infections, AND STILL BE DOING A CRAP JOB due to sheer idiocy. Thus the only way to fairly compare these states is on a per 100k infection and hospitalizations rate. On said basis, TX infections are 47% higher Hospitalization is 3 times higher

I think the analogy is fairly obvious to any sentient being, but “certain” commenters have clearly proven that assumption false.

My bad.

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Blacklabel

clearly shows that the NE us a success and the “great” state of Texas is a case study in failure.

Not in the last week. Those highly vaccinated states have more cases by percentage increase and Texas has less with a huge decrease percentage wise.

It's all relative but when you have 1 in 16 cases to population in Maine compared with 1 in 8 in Texas, then those percentage difference don't mean squat. It may be a huge decrease in Texas, but they end up at a place that is twice as infectious as Maine. It just means that the were 2.5 times as infectious before.

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COVID? Didn't it vanish in April 2020? Like a miracle, when the spring comes? That's what I was told.

The whole thing was a democratic hoax that would disappear after the election. At least, that's what the republicans told us, they weren't lying were they?

Aren't you up on the latest news from Newsmaxx and OANN? COVID DID disappear in April 2020 - all due to the inspired efforts of that one and only stable genius, Trump the Imperious....

Then the election was stolen by Hunter, Hugo Chavez, Elvis, and The Kraken, and those evil Dems unleashed the Delta variant on us, all in an attempt to get everyone to take the vaccine which has Dem mind control chips in it that make us rational, treat women with respect, and have a preference for democracy over authoritarianism....

That there vaccine also shrinks our privates and makes all us conservatives sterile so the Dems can bring in more immigrants and take over our country...

Truth people - it's out there - all on Russia Today...

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so once it is politically inconvenient you have no concern about which states have rising cases of COVID and which states have decreasing cases of COVID.

after weeks of "but Florida, but Texas, rising number of cases!"

wouldnt you want to know this information I provided, in order to avoid places where COVID cases are rising?

wouldnt you also have intellectual curiosity to wonder why highly vaccinated states still having increasing COVID, not decreasing.

that wouldnt make sense to me, if vaccination makes it less likely for one to get COVID.

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I think the analogy is fairly obvious to any sentient being, but “certain” commenters have clearly proven that assumption false.

no, its just the fact that you desperately want to tell a different story that suits your politics.

that doesnt make the story I want to tell, with information that is important to ME, not true.

COVID cases are more in those states than they were in the week before. COVID cases in Texas are less than they were.

Those places are increasing, while Texas is decreasing.

All I have said is factual and true. I have no requirement to tell just the stories that you want to hear.

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In business school (an actual business school) one of the first things one learns is ratio analysis. Instead of comparing absolute #s or percentages which can be used to present a false narrative, actual analysts compare firms of various sizes on a like basis.

For example Return on Owner's Equity compares the amount of income generated for every $1 of owner capital. It's how real analysts compare firms (in this case states) of unequal size to make apples to apples comparisons. It's how an actual analyst interested in finding actual comparisons would evaluate a very large automobile company like Toyota, with a smaller niche player like Mazda (my personal favorite brand).

Any real business person knows this is the true measure of successful analysis. Anything else is an attempt to confuse, deflect and dissemble.

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wouldnt you also have intellectual curiosity to wonder why highly vaccinated states still having increasing COVID, not decreasing.

that wouldnt make sense to me, if vaccination makes it less likely for one to get COVID.

My, my - you clearly disagree with this guy....what do you think of him spreading misinformation and urging his supporters to take this defective and dangerous vaccine? Aren't you outraged?

I would recommend it," Mr Trump said during an interview on Fox News Primetime on Tuesday. "I would recommend it to a lot of people that don't want to get it and a lot of those people voted for me, frankly." He added: **"It's a great vaccine*, it's a safe vaccine and it's something that works.

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Blacklabel

COVID cases are more in those states than they were in the week before. COVID cases in Texas are less than they were.

Those places are increasing, while Texas is decreasing.

Yes, but in Texas, you have twice the number of people per capita getting infected than Maine. You framed it as the highly vaccinated states being more infectious and that is just false. It is just that Texas was even worse before.

All I have said is factual and true. I have no requirement to tell just the stories that you want to hear.

Factually true, but meaningless without context. And when you apply context, it says the opposite of what you were implying.

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