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© Copyright 2021 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without permission.COVID-19 deaths in U.S. topping 1,900 a day
By HEATHER HOLLINGSWORTH WASHINGTON©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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2020hindsights
Blacklabel
Yes, but in Texas, you have twice the number of people per capita getting infected than Maine. You framed it as the highly vaccinated states being more infectious and that is just false. It is just that Texas was even worse before.
Factually true, but meaningless without context. And when you apply context, it says the opposite of what you were implying.
lincolnman
My, my - you clearly disagree with this guy....what do you think of him spreading misinformation and urging his supporters to take this defective and dangerous vaccine? Aren't you outraged?
I would recommend it," Mr Trump said during an interview on Fox News Primetime on Tuesday. "I would recommend it to a lot of people that don't want to get it and a lot of those people voted for me, frankly." He added: **"It's a great vaccine*, it's a safe vaccine and it's something that works.
GdTokyo
In business school (an actual business school) one of the first things one learns is ratio analysis. Instead of comparing absolute #s or percentages which can be used to present a false narrative, actual analysts compare firms of various sizes on a like basis.
For example Return on Owner's Equity compares the amount of income generated for every $1 of owner capital. It's how real analysts compare firms (in this case states) of unequal size to make apples to apples comparisons. It's how an actual analyst interested in finding actual comparisons would evaluate a very large automobile company like Toyota, with a smaller niche player like Mazda (my personal favorite brand).
Any real business person knows this is the true measure of successful analysis. Anything else is an attempt to confuse, deflect and dissemble.
Blacklabel
no, its just the fact that you desperately want to tell a different story that suits your politics.
that doesnt make the story I want to tell, with information that is important to ME, not true.
COVID cases are more in those states than they were in the week before. COVID cases in Texas are less than they were.
Those places are increasing, while Texas is decreasing.
All I have said is factual and true. I have no requirement to tell just the stories that you want to hear.
Blacklabel
so once it is politically inconvenient you have no concern about which states have rising cases of COVID and which states have decreasing cases of COVID.
after weeks of "but Florida, but Texas, rising number of cases!"
wouldnt you want to know this information I provided, in order to avoid places where COVID cases are rising?
wouldnt you also have intellectual curiosity to wonder why highly vaccinated states still having increasing COVID, not decreasing.
that wouldnt make sense to me, if vaccination makes it less likely for one to get COVID.
lincolnman
Aren't you up on the latest news from Newsmaxx and OANN? COVID DID disappear in April 2020 - all due to the inspired efforts of that one and only stable genius, Trump the Imperious....
Then the election was stolen by Hunter, Hugo Chavez, Elvis, and The Kraken, and those evil Dems unleashed the Delta variant on us, all in an attempt to get everyone to take the vaccine which has Dem mind control chips in it that make us rational, treat women with respect, and have a preference for democracy over authoritarianism....
That there vaccine also shrinks our privates and makes all us conservatives sterile so the Dems can bring in more immigrants and take over our country...
Truth people - it's out there - all on Russia Today...
2020hindsights
Blacklabel
clearly shows that the NE us a success and the “great” state of Texas is a case study in failure.
It's all relative but when you have 1 in 16 cases to population in Maine compared with 1 in 8 in Texas, then those percentage difference don't mean squat. It may be a huge decrease in Texas, but they end up at a place that is twice as infectious as Maine. It just means that the were 2.5 times as infectious before.
GdTokyo
In my example, Shenzhen is Maine; a smaller state doing a good job on vaccination with a small bump in absolute terms that has a larger effect in percentage terms BECAUSE THE STATE WAS ALREADY DOING SUCH A GOOD JOB.
The “great” state of Texas, on the other hand has done a crap job, can have a 50+% reduction in infections, AND STILL BE DOING A CRAP JOB due to sheer idiocy. Thus the only way to fairly compare these states is on a per 100k infection and hospitalizations rate. On said basis, TX infections are 47% higher Hospitalization is 3 times higher
I think the analogy is fairly obvious to any sentient being, but “certain” commenters have clearly proven that assumption false.
My bad.
2020hindsights
Helix
Yes. They are greatly undercounted.
The Avenger
https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-pandemic-cut-u-090012922.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
GdTokyo
BlacklabelToday 09:10 am JST
Let me make this easy for you. In 1990, the Shenzhen special economic zone had a year on year GDP growth rate of 25%.
By comparison the US GDP was somewhere around 3%.
Now an uneducated person (cough cough) would say “Why is this SOE eating America’s lunch?”
An educated rational person would realize that at that point Shenzhen was 1 generation from being a fishing village and any economic growth was going to look huge in percentage terms.
On the other hand the US was (and is) the worlds largest economy and even small amounts of growth in % terms have large impacts.
That’s why you comparison is intellectually dishonest.
But you know that being a business expert...
lincolnman
And one of those deaths was;
Mother of four Christen Lowery, 40 years old from California, who proudly posted she was "unmasked, unmuzzled, and unvaccinated" calling herself a "free thinker" died today of COVID....
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10009793/Mother-four-unmasked-unmuzzled-unvaccinated-dies-COVID-19-age-40.html
She is now free of her life and her children are free of a mother....
When will the craziness on the far-right end....
Strangerland
Sounds like fake news from the right-wing MSM to me. Color me skeptical.
Blacklabel
Not in the last week. Those highly vaccinated states have more cases by percentage increase and Texas has less with a huge decrease percentage wise.
aren’t you even a littttle curious why highly vaccinated liberal states with few to no “Trump supporters” to blame have these huge increases in cases?
SuperLib
But if I don't get vaccinated, my choice doesn't affect anyone else, right?
Strangerland
From private industry. Trump had as much to do with it as I did - we both really wanted them to make a vaccine fast for our own personal benefit.
GdTokyo
And it is clearly a false comparison meant to disinform. An actual apples to apples comparison of cases and hospitalizations per day clearly shows that the NE us a success and the “great” state of Texas is a case study in failure.
Blacklabel
While the Biden plan is a "big step in the right direction," says Dr. Leana Wen, a visiting of health policy and management at George Washington University, it should have been released two months ago. That would have slowed the delta variant from gaining such a strong foothold in the U.S.
"Had they acted much earlier, we would be in a different position," she said.
Strangerland
Which efforts do you feel Trump took or would have taken, or even any things you'd recommend, that would not be resulting in these 1900/day deaths?
Remember, anyone can criticize, but only people who aren't useless can come up with solutions. We didn't see any solutions from Trump last year, and you seem to be indicating that there are some not being implemented this year. So what are they?
Blacklabel
Which is what it was clearly identified as when posted.
Which states are increasing in cases in the last week? oddly, it’s some of the most vaccinated states that have the highest increase in COVID cases.
fact.
Alfie Noakes
It's very sad that poorly educated, gullible and simple-minded people like this are dying in droves in the US. Religion, and those who manipulate it for profit, really have a lot to answer for.
GdTokyo
”I don’t trust big pharma” This is the same crowd that swears by a horse de-wormer made my Merick who specifically says “Don’t take this product to fight COVID 19.”
You can’t make this stuff up, folks.
GdTokyo
He won’t because it’s not true. It’s a loonie-tunes talking point from the dark web.
Yesterday, a poster of disinformation stated that NE states like Maine had higher rates of infections than states like TX sighting Johns Hopkins.
Seemed counter-factual so I had a look.
Under the category “lies, damn lies, and statistics” said day trader was talking about percentage increase/decreases in infections and hospitalizations.
As any real MBA would know, this is an apples to oranges comparison since so few are infected in NE, a small outbreak would equal a huge percentage increase.
A better way to compare (which is why he didn’t) would be to compare infections and hospitalizations per 100k population. This compares states on a like basis and is the only way to make comparisons of states (or companies) of varying sizes.
So here it is: Maine 67% fully vaccinated. Infections per 100k 35. Hospitalizations per 100k 15.
The “great” state of Texas: 50.8% fully vaccinated. Infections per 100k 52 (49% higher). Hospitalizations per 100k 45 (3 times higher).
this is all part of the gaslight by the loonie right trying to imply that COVID isn’t deadly, the #s are fudged and the vaccines don’t work so why bother?
It is, they aren’t and they most certainly do work.
Helix
On the other hand, my faith in Pfizer is less than zero.
Mine too. And given that the FDA is now funded by the very big pharmaceutical companies it “regulates” my faith in the FDA isnt great either.
Strangerland
Whoa, that's quite a theory you have on a conspiracy there! You should call the news outlets and get them to report this story, it would be breaking news across the major networks.
Strangerland
Perhaps it’s time for the unvaccinated ( not those who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons ) to agree not to bother the hospitals. Those unvaccinated for religious reasons can rely on prayer.
It seems like a reasonable ask that those who choose not to get vaccinated also agree not to use the hospitals if they get sick from Covid. Vaccine deniers have chosen to refuse to follow the advice of the people they then want to care for them when they get sick of covid. This is an eat your cake and have it too type situation. They refuse the prevention measures the medical establishment are requesting them to take, while demanding treatment measures that put a higher burden on the same people whose advice they refused previously. And by taking up one of the spots in a hospital, they may be displacing someone who didn't refuse the requests of the medical establishment.
If the vaccine deniers truly believe that the virus doesn't affect the people in their age group so they have nothing to worry about, then their faith should also have them feeling good about voluntarily refusing any hospital treatment for covid if they get it.
Which of you vaccine deniers are reasonable enough to go along with this this request? Note that I'm not saying this should be mandated, I'm just looking for volunteers who can see how it's not fair to place demands on a medical system whose advice you have decided not to follow.
ClippetyClop
And ultimately this
"Health experts say the vast majority of the hospitalized and dead have been unvaccinated."
I'm sure it's what He would have wanted.
Strangerland
There is definitely a direct correlation between this:
...and this:
Jimizo
You agreed with a post the other day stating that around only 6% of deaths attributed to Covid are actually Covid related deaths.
You declined to back this up.
Could you do it now?
I’m genuinely intrigued.
Helix
Given that people dying of natural and unnatural causes are given post mortem pcr tests and listed as dying from covid if they test positive for carrying the virus, we can take these “covid death” numbers with an extremely large pinch of salt.
Jimizo
It’s a serious point. There are medical professionals exasperated with the unvaccinated. They are getting others killed due to taking up much needed time and resources.
Perhaps it’s time for the unvaccinated ( not those who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons ) to agree not to bother the hospitals. Those unvaccinated for religious reasons can rely on prayer.
Given their general IQ and temperaments, they aren’t that much use to the economy in good times, but really are a drag on society at this moment in time.
MarkX
I've come to the point where if the unvaccinated are dying at a higher rate, that is ultimately their decision. And while it is hurting the rest of the country by allowing the virus to spread and infect children who haven't been vaccinated, it is their choice. But if you make that choice, don't go running to the hospital looking to be cared for when you could have prevented this. Trust your god or whomever you believe in to care for you.
Mr Kipling
Burning Bush..
Yes, thats right. it takes that two weeks for the vaccine to fully kick in. The number of these is not so high. The dead are the anti vaccine cultists or those who believe their misinformation. I feel sad for the second group but the cultists.... Meh..