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I am Charlie.

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There's a video footage of these terrorists shooting in the head at point blank range a policeman lying on the ground begging them not to kill him. It truly is appalling and heartbreaking. If this trend continues, people will et fed up of appeasement of extremist ideologies and the rise of the Far Right in Europe will become inevitable. Blind, ignorant and outdated belief systems need to be put in their place before it's too late. Also kudos to other media for showing solidarity with Charlie Hebdo.

I also fear for my Muslim friend in France. I hope there is no angry backlash which results in indiscriminate violence against the innocent.

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The religion of peace... strikes again.

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JeSuisCharlie # IAmCharlie #WeAreCharlie
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Insane.

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Doesn't bode well for public opinion on further muslim immigration.

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These Muslim extremists just follow Mohammad'sway as found in the teaching of Islam. the question is when the world will wake up to the reality of Islamic doctrine and political correctness that make our world in such a disarray situation. As said, these cowardly and barbarian acts would occur frequently when the West are so drunk with sweet oil, being deceived by false image without substance. R.I.P. french journalists, you stood for freedom and principle unlike others.

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Bgood41. I came on here ready to purge my rage about this, however you have eloquently and succinctly said what needs to be said.

This and other unquestionable ideologies are the most dangerous human condition, we have fought endlessly for peace and freedom, the only way to achieve them is for people to make compromises to fit their chosen ideology into society, not for society to make allowances for whatever nonsense people see fit to identify with.

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Before calling these three "extremists," we should determine how many Muslims in France, and throughout the world, support this action.

Past polling demonstrates these three murderers are anything but 'extreme.' Such behavior has is supported my significant minorities, if not majorities, of Muslims throughout the world.

Support of violence to combat 'insults against Islam' may be extreme is you live in and believe in a secular liberal and pluralistic society. But not if you reject it.

And many Muslims reject secular liberal democracy. Because they are Islamists.

So, don't call it 'extreme.' Call it "militant Islamism."

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Je Suis Charlie Hebdo

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'Also kudos to other media for showing solidarity with Charlie Hebdo'

My idea solidarity is not a trite regurgitation of freedom of expression and the like. I'd like to see every serious journal in every civilised country reprinting these 'offensive' images of 'the prophet' on the front page. Sadly, the vast majority of media outlets capitulated over the Danish cartoons a few years ago and they will again. Don't people want to see what the furore was all about? That's the relationship we have now - one based on the fear of getting killed for showing solidarity with people who believe in freedom of expression.

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I'd like to see every serious journal in every civilised country reprinting these 'offensive' images of 'the prophet' on the front page.

You got that right.

And I think this goes beyond the "freedom of expression." It goes to very heart of a free society. Even that doesn't say it clearly enough. People just don't know what that means. They are empty words.

Here's what it means: to live in a society where you can, if you wish, make fun of someone's religion.

And they don't kill you.

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Salman Rushdie said all must stand with Charlie Hebdo “to defend the art of satire, which has always been a force for liberty and against tyranny, dishonesty and stupidity.”

Slow clap

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Je suis Charlie. I too refuse to live like a rat.

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Jimizo: Exactly. The cartoons should be printed everywhere and broadcast on TV to show that we will not stand for groups of mentally-impaired people trying to force their views down our throats.

Unfortunately, many spineless media outlets are already too scared to print the cartoons, preferring instead to engage in hand-wringing.

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Don't know if it is true.

The policeman shot in the head while he lay on the ground unarmed with his hands up, was a Muslim. #CharlieHebdo

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Don't know if it is true.

The policeman shot in the head while he lay on the ground unarmed with his hands up, was a Muslim.

Muslims are killed way more by islamic terrorists than non-muslims are. Just on this site today there was a terrorist attack in Yemen that killed over three times as many people as the Paris attack - and you can bet that most if not all were Muslims.

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Good news: CNN decided to show some of the 'offensive cartoons.'

Check out this YouTouber to support:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKiwqHYtrbQ

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Good news: CNN decided to show some of the 'offensive cartoons.'

They showed them on at least one Japanese news this morning as well.

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Before CALLING these three "extremists," we should determine how many Muslims in France, and throughout the world, support this action.

No, they should call it what it is and nothing more: Radical Islamist, Jihadist Terrorism!

Past polling demonstrates these three murderers are anything but 'extreme.' Such behavior has is supported my significant minorities, if not majorities, of Muslims throughout the world.

Polling also shows that many liberals are benign to believe that Radical terrorism even exists. Wow!

Support of violence to combat 'insults against Islam' may be extreme is you live in and believe in a secular liberal and pluralistic society. But not if you reject it.

And many Muslims REJECT secular liberal democracy. Because they are Islamists.

So, don't CALL it 'extreme.' Call it "militant Islamism."

Which is basically all the same, just a different form of euphemism.

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The religion of insanity.

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The so called "prophet" of the religion of peace was a very violent man that led many raids and military expeditions. It's no wonder his followers commit such acts of violence when the moral example is itself violent and unacceptable in the modern world. Of course you can't say the same for say Jesus and David as well as various others. What matters most in faith are not the swathes of followers but the moral example that the founder paved.

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I'm not professing to be an expert on the Quran, but with so many conflicting passages how can any non-Muslim not be confused about what Islam is truly about? Is it peaceful or is it violent? I guess the answer depends on whether followers believe in the early moderate verses of Muhammad or the latter vengeful, merciless ones. The Prophet made a life transition from being caring and nonviolent to becoming bitter and acrimonious. The biggest concern seems to be Islamic laws dictate that these merciless preachings of the Quran must supersede the former pacifying messages. Make no mistake, these killers in Paris are the latest in a long line of filthy cowards who are deluded into believing that it is their duty to literally obey the Quran. It's brainwashing on a mega scale. Perhaps someday the vast majority on this planet will see the idiocy in practicing religions fanatically, to question writings of medieval times rather than gullibly accept them. Maybe then real peace will exist. I doubt it'll happen in my lifetime however.

Je suis Charlie

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I'm as open-minded as the next guy, but this 'peaceful religion' rhetoric is starting to wear thin... FAST. Such a tragedy over a figment of the imagination, for crying out loud.

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So how does that crow taste Ben Affleck?

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Moi aussi, je suis Charlie.

I am also Muslim, Jewish, Catholic, Protestant, Sikh, Hindu and atheist.

These little men cannot diminish our humanity. Time to isolate all extremists.

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These terrorist are a growing decay in bones of the world community and need to be dealt with.

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I'm as open-minded as the next guy

The rest of your sentence belies that fact.

this 'peaceful religion' rhetoric is starting to wear thin... FAST.

Yeah, because it's not like there are 1.5 billion of them out there that aren't committing terrorist acts.

So how does that crow taste Ben Affleck?

Actually the responses by many people to this terrorism proves the point Affleck was making.

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The so called "prophet" of the religion of peace was a very violent man that led many raids and military expeditions. It's no wonder his followers commit such acts of violence when the moral example is itself violent and unacceptable in the modern world. Of course you can't say the same for say Jesus or David...'

You can say that there were bloodbaths involving Moses and Joshua. There is plenty of disgraceful violence, murder and genocide in the Jewish scriptures. The difference is that when people ridicule or attack Judaism, Christianity or other religions ( I'm sure we all remember the image of Jesus in urine, Mary surrounded with cow dung and now the Mormon musical ) its followers don't generally cut your head off or drill holes in you with firearms. The usual refrain from Muslim apologists is something along the lines of 'we should be respectful of one another' when confronted with the question of why Muslims react so hysterically to criticism or ridicule of their faith more than followers of other faiths. It's a clear copout of an answer and I'm sick of hearing it.

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Jesus Charlie, you stuck a pen into a wasps' nest.

If you were going to have pass-code locks and police protection, why did you not set up high quality video surveillance too? All we have to rely on is some surreptitious footage from members of the public. These guys will have their day in court and deny it was them.

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well, they just follow what is in the koran, thats all.

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I would like to begin a non-profit, world-wide campaign against this nonsense. Let's print t-shirts with the so called "prophet's" image on the front and the message "We are Charlies Hebdo" on the back and sell them for cost with all the money going to the repairing of the Charlie Hebdo. Let's send a message that we will not cower before these beasts. And for the overally politically correct "beast" is defined as any Muslim who believes violence is the best response to someone with different views.

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strangerland: Yeah, because it's not like there are 1.5 billion of them out there that aren't committing terrorist acts.

Great. The part of them that are terrorists just murdered 12 people in an office building over cartoons.

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@nanda

These guys will have their day in court and deny it was them.

I doubt it. One's already turned himself in.

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Sam - noble sentiment, but would you rewally go around wearing a shirt like that not knowing which of the many people who see it might take offence and be a lunatic and wound or kill you?

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@Strangerland

Yeah, because it's not like there are 1.5 billion of them out there that aren't committing terrorist acts.

Not the point. Experts have put 'extremist' or 'risk of becoming extremist' numbers in the vicinity of 15% ~ 25% of all believers. Even at its lowest, 15% of the Muslim population works out to be 225,000,000 jihadist / potential jihadists. I'm not taking sides here, those are the numbers - and the numbers don't lie.

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@lucabrasi "I doubt it. One's already turned himself in."

He will get his day in court. I wonder if they told him to stay alive as he is the youngest, and to plead that he was only the driver or something?

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This terrorist act will likely increase the rift between the Islam and the Western world, because it shows how extremely intolerant of other views a small number of Muslims are, an intolerance that leads to frightening acts like this.

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Lets hope not.

The general lack of support or promotion of religion is one of things I really like about this country.

There are other dogmatic issues like nationalism perhaps though.

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@sighclops has it right that there are probably around 200 million that believe that apostasy should be punishable by death. Let's not forget the role that a certain nutter in Saudi Arabia had in metastasizing the evilhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Abd_al-Wahhab. As usual, it is the stupidest believers that are the worst.

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At this time there is no point trying to be rational. Maybe in a few days when emotions calm, a bit of reason will return.

What I do feel safe saying is that despite how much they went out of their way to rile up all Muslims, especially extremists, and despite a firebombing years ago, that their only apparent security was a code locked door.

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"Sam - noble sentiment, but would you rewally go around wearing a shirt like that not knowing which of the many people who see it might take offence and be a lunatic and wound or kill you?"

Good question, Wakarimsen. I honestly would for two reasons. 1.) A lot of what I have today is the result of sacrifices made by people who came before me, people who rose to the challenges of the times knowing that the costs would be high. I think it might our time to do just that. 2.) I think at some point we have to answer the question, "where do we draw the line?" We---rational people who do not kill others when someone disagrees with our Bronze Age religion---have already sacrificed objective news reporting in part due to the fear of Muslim violence, altered many school curriculums to molify a vocal few and now we have to worry that the pillars of our free speech (satire and parody and disagreement) may be torn down by a group of subhumans who shout “Allahu akbar!”

I think I will make the t-shirts.

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I think I will make the t-shirts.

How many of you even thought once that you would like to draw Mohammad until you found out a bunch of people would be angry about it?

If this attack occurred because of X-rated comics in the Sunday funnies, how many would be making X-rated T-shirts in response and how much support would they get?

Step 1: pick a fight Step 2: get a fight Step 3: act all surprised and indignant that there was a fight.

Its also kind of funny that Selena Gomez did not get any support when she intentionally bared her ankle outside a Mosque. What's the difference really?

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I wish people would understand that these criminals do not represent true Muslims. Islam in no way condones shooting people.

The Quran is very specific about this:

When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. -Quran 8:12 (Shakir)

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Magic Eight Ball.

The fact that someone would get angry, violent about something as minor as a comic says so very much more about the thinking of the people whom committed the violence than the person who drew it.

Are you seriously suggesting that we should limit our expression because of the unreasonable, illegal, reaction someone may have to it because of their belief system?

Because there was this response is all the more reason to comment on it and criticise it further.

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i am muslim and i am charlie

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nouri i am muslim and i am charlie

I'm not muslim and I'm not charlie

satirical newspaper that caricatured the Prophet Muhammad,

They took part in political motivated attack on Islam

It's not about freedom it's about dangerous provocations

it's about offending religious feelings of people other religion

Islam forbidden to image even people not talking about Prophet

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Are you seriously suggesting that we should limit our expression because of the unreasonable, illegal, reaction someone may have to it because of their belief system?

No. I spoke against drawing Mohammad long before even the firebombing happened. If you go out of your way to offend the deepest beliefs of one quarter of the world, expect a crazy response from a few crazies among them.

I don't knuckle under on things worth fighting for. Bradley Manning's freedom of speech has much more value than this. Some of you out there just relish conflict frankly. Some of you are overjoyed that you got it.

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'They took part in political motivated attack on Islam'

They took part in attacks on many groups. Why is it that the other groups didn't take the occasion to brutally massacre them?

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It's not about freedom it's about dangerous provocations

"Provocations" are all a part of freedom. They're only "dangerous" because of the reactions of an intolerant minority.

I'm a Christian, but can happily watch South Park, Life of Brian etc. Some folk need to lighten up....

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"Islam in no way condones shooting people."

That isn't true. Jihad as laid out in the Quran and Haddith condone the killing of non-believers deemed a threat to Islam. Decapitation is a favored method, which you can read about in the holy book.

I mean, where do you think these people get their ideas?

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@M3M3M3

I wish people would understand that these criminals do not represent true Muslims. Islam in no way condones shooting people. The Quran is very specific about this

You mean like this?

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

@Olegek

They took part in political motivated attack on Islam... It's not about freedom it's about dangerous provocations

Absolute rubbish! This magazine attacked everyone and every religion in satire. This is entirely about freedom. If people feel offended by satire they are free to fight back with pens and voices, not violence. Those victims drew comics and were cowardly slaughtered for it in cold blood. How could one defend that? I could suggest certain extreme elements of Islam should not take their religion so seriously and to get a sense of humour but I'm not going to hold my breath.

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'No. I spoke against drawing Mohammad long before even the firebombing happened. If you go out of your way to offend the deepest beliefs of one quarter of the world, expect a crazy response from a few crazies among them.'

I see. So if a group puts pressure on and threatens violence you're quite happy that they bully you into not offending' them? There are many people in the world who hold deep beliefs, some of which are not religious. Nobody can claim any special right not to be offended. That includes Muslims.

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Islam, and nothing to do with these attacks, has plenty to comment on, and satire is one of those tools.

Freedom of expression and speech is at the very foundation of free societies, we must not allow this to be taken from us, especially not by fear and the actions of those for who the very idea of free exchange of ideas threatens the very core of their belief.

If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter. George Washington

“What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist.” Salman Rushdie

“It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so what." Stephen Fry

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JeffLee, I think M3M3M3 was being sarcastic. Look at the quote.

Anyway they didn't have guns back when the Qu'ran was written, so it could not have been either encouraged or forbidden to shoot people, except with a bow and arrow.

Interestingly, the Quran does not forbid the portrayal of the Prophet Muhammad. It's a minor Hadith, apparently, but some people really make a big fuss about it, especially in recent years.

Although the majority of the world's population does not harbor bad feelings towards Islam and most Muslims, there is a paranoid minority of Muslims with a perceived persecution complex, and these ones are dangerous to themselves and all around them. They cannot take a joke and feel insulted. This is a sad reality today. "Lighten up" is easy to say, but who will listen?

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Jimizo 'They took part in political motivated attack on Islam' They took part in attacks on many groups. Why is it that the other groups didn't take the occasion to brutally massacre them?

Including Orthodox Jews for example?

Or French Air Forces bombing Libya ?

Sorry - it's very "special" freedom of press ...

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JeffLee, I think M3M3M3 was being sarcastic.

No sorry, I just posted the wrong verse from the Quran. I know it sounds pretty damning but please ignore it, it's just a metaphor. I meant to quote:

Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the Lord against the sun, that the fierce anger of the Lord may be turned away from Israel.

..Wait, that's even worse... and it's not even in the Quran, it's the Bible talking about people who worship other gods. Just bear with me here folks while I sort out my religious texts...

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Je Suis Charlie

Muslims are free to not draw, not write, not educate as they see fit within the confines of their religion, but trying to force their mores and social values onto others who do not share their belief has to stop.

All muslims who think this way need to get back to traditionally muslim countries and out of bastions of art and freedom of expression, like wonderful Paris. There is no way forward living together then radical Islam is so intolerant.

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'Jimizo 'They took part in political motivated attack on Islam' They took part in attacks on many groups. Why is it that the other groups didn't take the occasion to brutally massacre them?

Including Orthodox Jews for example?

Or French Air Forces bombing Libya ?'

I'm honestly not sure what parallel you're trying to make here. I'm talking about hysterical and fanatical reactions to criticism or ridicule of Islam resulting in attempts to pressure democratic countries, murder and intimidation. As for Orthodox Jews, I think you'll find that the disgusting propaganda pumped out of many Islamic countries advocating the murder of Jews, Christians and Hindus is infinitely more incendiary than a few cartoons. Strangely enough, you'll find that the outcry from many Muslims about a few cartoons against them is much louder than the outcry against murderous propaganda against those of other faiths from them.

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trying to force their mores and social values onto others who do not share their belief has to stop

That one cuts both ways. Seems to me that some people are trying to force Muslims to be cool with depictions of Mohammad. Well, its not going to happen.

Of course no western government is going to arrest you for drawing Mohammad. Therefore, your freedom of speech is well intact. But I am telling you, you draw Mohammad at your own risk, and of all the things to take risks over, this has to be about the stupidest.

To put it into perspective, consider the shooting of Larry Flynt in 1978 by Evangelical Christian Joseph Paul Franklin. Flynt was fighting for our right to view pornography, but what especially offended Franklin were photos of interracial sex. Flynt's battle was a worthy fight, start to finish. But I have ZERO interest in viewing pictures of Mohammad. Do you? I see ZERO purpose for it except going out of one's way to make trouble. And I do not support trouble makers who make trouble just to enjoy the trouble.

I think this is all about as amusing as slipping some pork into a Muslim's hamburger and then telling him to calm down and be more tolerant. Would you do that? I find the whole thing to be juvenile, as juvenile as the movie "The Interview". Well, you want to exercise your freedom of speech on something so worthless and so very offensive to Muslims? You want to support it? Well go ahead. But I don't want to hear your complaints on the repercussions.

Of course I think these shooters should all go to jail and I don't care if they ever get out. I don't support them. But nor do I support those who riled them up for no purpose of any importance.

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Part of our problem is that we don't have a clear understanding of our common humanity. We allow Antiquity and Early Dark Age superstition and mythology to delineate our relations in 2015. We too easily look to out differences before our similarities.

To kill people over cartoons is pure madness. Ideological insanity. I absolutely condemn these foolish men.

But the ideology that has it's historical base in the Crusades and it's modern conception and gestation in the West's constant interfering in the Middle East, and it's full blown birth on 9/11, cannot be subjugated by guns and bombs. It's about more than just religious beliefs, you see. It's also about a historical abuse of power, hegemony and a lack of respect for humanity.

I've travelled a lot and I try hard to be tolerant of people's beliefs, but at the end of the day I see religion as a load of blind, factually anaemic hocus pocus that is ultimately a decisive and intolerant force.

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But I am telling you, you draw Mohammad at your own risk

This is absolute nonsense in western societies.

The fact is, we have a culture of satire... we have the freedom to make satire of anything we want... our own society , Christianity , Judaism , Islam... this is our culture of satire...

If muslim people are not happy with this culture then they can get the hell out...

Why do we have to adapt to accommodate muslim people?

If they come here they should adapt to our way of life.

If their idea of adapting is by slaughtering innocent people then it's time for them to leave.

Perhaps Saudi Arabia could start an immigration program, welcoming muslims from Europe who can't accept our way of life...

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I drew a picture of muhammed saying no to hatred and put it on facebook.Time to stand up to these bullies.I lived n france a long time and the arabs dont do themelves many favors.Just try being a woman on the train and see the harassment they get from these believers. Shocking

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@ m3m3m3

well, whatever verse u might pick from the Bible or from any other scriptures, Torah, etc., that does not however mean or prove that it is okay for muslims to end the life of 12 people in their office just because of some written cartoons.

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Magic Eight Ball>

No. I spoke against drawing Mohammad long before even the firebombing happened. If you go out of your way to offend the deepest beliefs of one quarter of the world, expect a crazy response from a few crazies among them.

I applaud their bravery. Sure many can succumb in a cowardly way to evil. But it takes guts to stand up for what is right when threatened.

“Religion, a mediaeval form of unreason, when combined with modern weaponry becomes a real threat to our freedoms. This religious totalitarianism has caused a deadly mutation in the heart of Islam and we see the tragic consequences in Paris today. I stand with Charlie Hebdo, as we all must, to defend the art of satire, which has always been a force for liberty and against tyranny, dishonesty and stupidity. ‘Respect for religion’ has become a code phrase meaning ‘fear of religion.’ Religions, like all other ideas, deserve criticism, satire, and, yes, our fearless disrespect.” –Salman Rushdie

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It is irrelevant who they arrest. In their minds, the Jihadis did notthing wrong; they simply followed Shariah law. Under Shariah law, defaming Mohammed is punishable by death, e.g. cfg. Pakistans criminal code no. 295c. In Pakistan, the goevernment would have killed the Charlie Hebron editors.

The question is. Will France (and Europe) take a clear stand against Shariah law, or will they continue to compromise?

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NZ2011 Freedom of expression and speech is at the very foundation of free societies, we must not allow this to be taken from us, especially not by fear and the actions of those for who the very idea of free exchange of ideas threatens the very core of their belief. If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter. George Washington

All these things sound well -but this is mainly western propaganda - no more - no less

During attack on Serbia USAF took special attention to destroy state televisions of Serbia - lot of journalists were killed by rockets

Freedom yeh - but only for " right" ideas

The same things took place during civil war in Ukraine - no one " free" western journalist see any crimes of government

And was declared a hunt for Russian journalists - 6 of them were killed by Ukrainian army lot of them were kidnapped

tortured ...

Reaction from west ?

We TOTALLY support Kiev government

So please - don't talk me about free exchange of ideas

These journalists in France were soldiers of informational war...

Task force to attack Prophet Muhammad.....

If the freedom of speech is taken away

Did you hear about political correctness?

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“Hey! We avenged the Prophet Muhammad! We killed Charlie Hebdo,” - article

"So please - don't talk me about free exchange of ideas - These journalists in France were soldiers of informational war... - Task force to attack Prophet Muhammad....." - comment

Presented above, the reader sees a corruption of both freedom and examination of ideas. The 'militarization' of ideas is a false justification for violence, hence the idea a cartoonist is a 'soldier' is a false justification. Worst, these murders do not kill ideas. They defame religion in general and specific faiths in particular. At the very core of these horrors, and the belief that ideas should be subservient to religion, is the cause of these slaughters of innocent people.

Mocking religion for the purpose of discrimination or prejudice is the enemy of a free mind and the free examination of ideas.

Mocking religiously motivated ideas and acts for the purpose free examination of those acts and ideas is the foundation of free thinking and a free society.

In Paris, a group of deranged zealots have achieved nothing but murder and they have attached slaughter to a religion and its adherents. A few fanatics have insulted Islam by their murders of these thoughtful and creative people. The shame the Muslim faithful feel is all these acts ever achieve. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

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kcjapanJ Presented above, the reader sees a corruption of both freedom and examination of ideas.

I only point out that these ideas are NOT universal (they work in belle France but not in ugly Ukraine )

And if these ideas are NOT universal how we can use it as a foundation ?

The 'militarization' of ideas is a false justification for violence, hence the idea a cartoonist is a 'soldier' is a false justification

I just watched Euronews - so these cartoonists were directly called - " soldiers of freedom" - it's not my ideas

I have not soo many " new " ideas - I just point at obvious facts - victims of this bloody act were not freelance artists

So their employer should take some responsibility - you don't think so?

At the very core of these horrors, and the belief that ideas should be subservient to religion, is the cause of these slaughters of innocent people.

At the very core of these horrors that happens in Syria Libya and Iraq is the belief that some nations are better (more democratic ) than other (rogue nations)

In Paris, a group of deranged zealots have achieved nothing but murder and they have attached slaughter to a religion and its adherents. A few fanatics

In Paris a group of well-educated high ranking and high educated officials took decision to support Al - Qaeda by all means. A lot of not- fanatics

In Paris, a group of deranged zealots have achieved nothing but

to kill a idea of multicultural society in Europe

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@Olegek

These cartoonists were soldiers of freedom, because we can only advance freedom of speech by offending people so they get used to understanding they have no right not to be offended. Some nations (France) are better (and more democratic) than other nations (Russia).

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Whereas these forums welcome respectful contrast of ideas and urge participants to avoid personal attacks; they stand for what the Paris madmen could not allow; reasonable examination through satire.

These madmen chose murder as they presumed to know the mind of their god commanded slaughter.

That is the core of the abhorrence civilized people regard these murders of innocent people.

Some seem satisfied a disembodied force demands these acts. Hearing voices in the wind that command slaughter and then offering that those disembodied whispers justify slaughter because the absurdity of that belief is worthy of satire? That is the confirmation of the absurdity of those professed motives.

Let that suffice as proof. Some hear voices and kill; some hear voices and question. Some will kill if any of their beliefs in disembodied whispers are questioned; they are the ones medical professionals can treat. They are the ones who committed slaughter in Paris to achieve nothing.

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Really glad this isn't likely to happen in Japan.

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