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13 charged in plot to kidnap Michigan governor, start 'civil war'

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Such fine people “on both sides.”

They’re not freedom lovers. They’re terrorists.

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"LIBERATE MICHIGAN!" Trump tweeted in April.

Trump encouraging far right goons, egging on terrorism. Will Trump continue to tell far right, white nationalist organizations that support him to 'stand by'.

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Stop calling them a militia. We only do that because they are white. They are domestic terrorists that tried to kidnap a duly elected governor.

Now everyone say it together with me:

Radical right-wing terrorism

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Here’s what the FBI has likely told each suspect; “We’re going to play a game (my favorite game) called ‘who talks first?’. The guy who talks first ‘only’ spends 10-15 years in prison. The rest of you die in prison due to old age, gangs or suicide. Ready? Go!”

And if he weren’t immune from prosecution, Trump could have criminal liability in this matter.

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There is an agenda for Trump after his defeat in November - will probably end up in prison with his « buddies »

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Such fine people “on both sides.”

They’re not freedom lovers. They’re terrorists.

Well said sir! I salute you!

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They’re not freedom lovers. They’re terrorists.

as well as anyone who doesn't condemn them

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Side bar: When you need a public defender (as 4 of the 6 have requested), you are well and truly screwed.

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Thank you Mr. President.

That's what happens when an instigator tries to run a country!

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Such fine people “on both sides.”

They’re not freedom lovers. They’re terrorists.

And this very sadly is what happens when you keep people locked down for almost a year, they tend to go crazy, sad, but what do the Democrats think

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Just shows how low the right has sunk under Trump. For four years he has been fanning the flames that make this kind of thing possible. Can you imagine this happening under any previous President of either party?

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"The words he utters matter," Biden said at a campaign event. "Why won't the president just say 'stop. Stop, stop, stop.' 

He'd rather blame veterans' families for giving him COVID-19.

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LOL, the decline of the American state. I wonder if Americans can governed themselves.

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And this very sadly is what happens when you keep people locked down for almost a year, they tend to go crazy, sad, but what do the Democrats think

And dangerous you may want to add, especially with the encouragement from their president.

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He'd rather blame veterans' families for giving him COVID-19.

How many times does the President have to denounce these people? Still waiting for the Dems to call out Antifa and BLM...,but like with packing the courts they remain silent...interesting.

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And this very sadly is what happens when you keep people locked down for almost a year, they tend to go crazy, sad, but what do the Democrats think

A) 6 months isn't almost a year, B) Asking folks to wear masks and social distance is hardly a lockdown, C) how very on-brand, especially coming from the party of personal responsibility to blame others for their actions, D) these terrorists are really going to hate actually losing their freedom in jail.

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This is why the FBI considers far right extremists as the biggest terrorism threat.

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Serrano:. Plotting to kidnap someone is a crime. That being said, here's some very relevant background information:

That being said? LOL

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There is an agenda for Trump after his defeat in November - will probably end up in prison with his « buddies »

You're going to be so disappointed when he's re-elected in a landslide.

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Radical left-wing terrorism.

did they plan to kidnap a governor too?

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You're going to be so disappointed when he's re-elected in a landslide

honestly this is getting closer to science fiction as time goes by.

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Serrano:. Plotting to kidnap someone is a crime. That being said, here's some very relevant background information:

That being said? LOL

Yeah, I acknowledged that these people committed a crime. You have a problem with that? LOL

So what do you think about the Michigan Supreme Court striking down Whitmer's dictatorial and unconstitutional coronavirus orders? They must be nuts, right?

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So what do you think about the Michigan Supreme Court striking down Whitmer's dictatorial and unconstitutional coronavirus orders? They must be nuts, right?

Since it’s about dodging the topic now, what do you think of Trump screaming on Twitter to LIBERATE MICHIGAN? He must be nuts too right ?

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So what do you think about the Michigan Supreme Court striking down Whitmer's dictatorial and unconstitutional coronavirus orders? They must be nuts, right?

I think that must be another news story.

Back to this one. They are terrorists, not patriotic freedom fighters. They need to be locked up for a very long time.

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And the right try to tell us the Antifa is the big threat. Yeah, right!

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Stand back and Stand by was the message from the president. Domestic terrorists took it as it's ok to go into action and try to create a civil war. Trump is a terror with his incendiary words that encourage racism.

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You're going to be so disappointed when he's re-elected in a landslide.

I would be, but on the plus side, it means another for years of the best freak show on earth. But when Trump losses I'll remind you of your landslide prediction for years. Trump cultists will suffer more when their cult leader is shown to be just another populist failure.

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Once again the right is supporting terrorists. White terrorists. Good thing they weren’t brown or the entire right wing of America would be howling for war!!!

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this very sadly is what happens when you keep people locked down for almost a year, they tend to go crazy

It was Gretchen Whitmer's fault that she almost got kidnapped. It was Jacob Blake's fault that he got shot in the back seven times. It's the media's fault that Trump utters nonsense and lies on a daily basis.

Today's GOP: the party of personal responsibility.

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"LIBERATE MICHIGAN!" Trump tweeted in April.

When a president encouraged the klansmen is it a surprise they get emboldened ?

We haven't had such an openly racist presidential act since Wilson's screening of the 'the brith of a nation'!!

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How many times does the President have to denounce these people?

As many times as you expect democrats to denounce the violent people on the left.

Still waiting for the Dems to call out Antifa and BLM...,but like with packing the courts they remain silent...interesting.

They have repeatedly called out the violence, you just don’t recognize it because you are a hyper-partisan.

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Can you imagine this happening under any previous President of either party?

Well yes sir I can I believe it was George Washington

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He'd rather blame veterans' families for giving him COVID-19.

How many times does the President have to denounce these people?

I agree, the President should stop denouncing US veterans and their families. It's bad. But he doesn't care about the troops - he thinks they're losers. You think they're expendable idiots and you laugh when they die, so I guess I understand why you like Trump.

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This is why the FBI considers far right extremists as the biggest terrorism threat.

Ahh, the same people that drummed up the Russian hoax and tried to take out a duly elected President....ok...

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As many times as you expect democrats to denounce the violent people on the left.

They haven’t, heck they didn’t even answer the question to packing the courts..

They have repeatedly called out the violence

No, they didn’t and they never supported the police and supported more funding or worked with the police and States to make sure charges are never dropped for these thugs, complete silence.

you just don’t recognize it because you are a hyper-partisan.

No, because I don’t believe in left political partisan one sided garbage.

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Serrano:. Yeah, I acknowledged that these people committed a crime.

Well I suppose something had to take the place of criticizing them.

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Right wingers here refuse to denounce or even criticise right-wing violence. This isn't new.

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Won’t stop your narrative here but there are already videos available of these guys calling Trump a tyrant, disavowing him as not your friend and saying everyone working for the government is your enemy.

just anarchists. Trump IS the government so they hate him too.

but please continue your daily anti Trump narratives.

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The guy who opened the Republican National convention was friends with this nasty bunch.

trump sure hangs out with a lot of ‘Fine’ people.

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The Wolverine Scumbags are following their cult leader, the current occupant of the White House.

It’s beyond reproach how the Divider in Chief continues to damage the nation by creating chaos, spewing fake news, disinformation and misinformation.

We The People of the United States of America continue to suffer under the “And we’ll see what happens” administration in Washington, D.C.

Enough!

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Won’t stop your narrative here but there are already videos available of these guys calling Trump a tyrant, disavowing him as not your friend and saying everyone working for the government is your enemy.

That's interesting, could you post links to these videos? I'd like to see them.

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what do you think of Trump screaming on Twitter to LIBERATE MICHIGAN?

The Michigan Supreme Court and I agree - liberate Michigan from Whitmer's dictatorial and UNCONSTITUTIONAL lockdown orders.

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No, because I don’t believe in left political partisan one sided garbage.

I said I use “lol” sparingly but I haven’t stopped laughing all week.

lol

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One more example that both the US intel agencies and the FBI are right when they say that violent right-wing extremism is the primary internal threat to our country...

And is it any surprise that all of these right-wing domestic terrorists are virulent Trump supporters?

Trump has brought these cretins out from under the rocks they've been hiding for the past 50 years...

This is the new Repub party - far-right domestic terrorists and kooky QAnon nuts....

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UNCONSTITUTIONAL lockdown orders.

Point us to the specific article of law Ironside.

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its a huge surprise based on watching the videos posted online where these exact people say the opposite

And is it any surprise that all of these right-wing domestic terrorists are virulent Trump supporters?

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its a huge surprise based on watching the videos posted online where these exact people say the opposite

I want to see these videos. Could you post the links, please? It should be easy for you to copy and paste the links, since they will be in your browser history.

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Another home-grown terrorist group. Trump needs to build a wall inside the middle of America.

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They are domestic terrorists.

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It is interesting that they aren't being labeled as 'Christian terrorists', given that if they were a certain other religion, their American citizenship wouldn't get them labeled simply as 'domestic terrorists' without the inclusion of the religion.

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just anarchists. Trump IS the government so they hate him too.

And yet, they targeted Whitmer, a Democrat. I wonder why that is? And by the way, after reading the criminal complaint (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/08/politics/whitmer-kidnapping-criminal-complaint/index.html?source_referral=FB_Instant?medium=Android?user_app=AndroidMobile)

I find the claim that these folks are anarchists uncredible. They mentioned extensively her "power grab" and the lack of "checks and balances."

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No, they didn’t and they never supported the police and supported more funding or worked with the police and States to make sure charges are never dropped for these thugs, complete silence.

bass: Yes they have:

According to a fact check on the topic, top Democratic leaders like Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi and James Clyburn have said that the violent protests is not right and condemned it.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/13/fact-check-democrats-have-condemned-violence-linked-protests/3317862001/

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yet the guy has an anarchist flag hanging right behind him in the video of him speaking about Trump being a tyrant.

I find the claim that these folks are anarchists uncredible.

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UNCONSTITUTIONAL lockdown orders.

Point us to the specific article of law Ironside.

Are you unable to look it up yourself? Jeez...

Oh my...

"We conclude that the Governor lacked the authority to declare a 'state of emergency' or a 'state of disaster' under the EMA after April 30, 2020, on the basis of the COVID-19 pandemic. Furthermore, we conclude that the EPGA is in violation of the Constitution of our state because it purports to delegate to the executive branch the legislative powers of state government-- including its plenary police powers-- and to allow the exercise of such powers indefinitely," wrote Justice Stephen J. Markman on behalf of the majority.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/10/03/919891538/michigan-supreme-court-rules-against-governors-emergency-powers

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yet the guy has an anarchist flag hanging right behind him in the video of him speaking about Trump being a tyrant.

This is the third time you've mentioned this video and yet I've seen no video. Maybe a link, yeah?

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NYT op ed today points out that such militias are illegal, and have been found so several times since the end of the Civil War. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/08/opinion/militias-gretchen-whitmer.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

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just search Twitter for "Michigan nutjob anarchist anti-Trump" to begin your own research.

Not that you care to know the truth, it ruins your little narrative.

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just search Twitter for "Michigan nutjob anarchist anti-Trump" to begin your own research.

I'd like a more reliable source than Twitter. Why can't you just give me a link to the Tweet in question?

Not that you care to know the truth, it ruins your little narrative.

I'm literally asking you to show me the video. It's very easy for you to reveal this truth, by simply copying and pasting a link. You're refusing to do so. I can't understand why, for the life of me.

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just search Twitter for "Michigan nutjob anarchist anti-Trump" to begin your own research.

Not going to waste my time looking for a non-existent video. Why not post the video you continuous mention? Is it from RT or Sputnik or something?

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because if you dont care enough to even do a search with the words I gave you, its pointless.

Next you will say but its Breitbart! well the picture of the anarchist in front of the anarchist flag and the Twitter link you are too lazy to search for, they are both in the Breitbart link. Enjoy.

I'm literally asking you to show me the video. It's very easy for you to reveal this truth, by simply copying and pasting a link. You're refusing to do so. I can't understand why, for the life of me.

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because I know you wont actively seek out the truth that will destroy your own narrative, here is a condensed version, with pictures and a different video for those of you too lazy to read.

Hahahahaha called it. No one goes to Breitbart to find the truth let.

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see? exactly as I said. its pointless with any of you.

the picture is right there for you to see, and a video. Both from other sources.

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see? exactly as I said. its pointless with any of you.

Its Breitbart, you might as well link to the Klan when discussing race relations.

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The Michigan Supreme Court and I agree - liberate Michigan from Whitmer's dictatorial and UNCONSTITUTIONAL lockdown orders.

so did the Supreme Court specifically wrote in a statement that Michigan must be liberated ? Hence endorsing Trump’s tweet? You see here we are talking about word used and what I see from you - when you log on your Trump troll account - is that you try to justify an incitation to rebellion that was about to happen in a way that would have happened in countries like Somalia, by making it look like the Supreme Court decision made it legit for those Rambos to move on their terrorist plot ( that I am pretty sure you will call “patriotism”).

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I have a feeling the purpose of this group was to give the authorities an excuse to crack down on militias.

Also, to me the people in the photo look more like Antifa members trying to look like "right-wing militia members."

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So let me guess, you dont look at Twitter either. How convenient to stay uninformed.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1314326901683617792

https://twitter.com/i/status/1314267058339819520

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Oh. Breitbart. A disinformation website. So we're off to a great start. Well, let's see what they have to say.

First off, they reference one - and only one - suspect. So your assertion that it's about

these guys

is wrong, for a start. Next,

calling Trump a tyrant, disavowing him as not your friend

Isn't in these videos. So that's wrong, too.

and saying everyone working for the government is your enemy.

This is standard GOP thinking.

Even your own far-right disinformation outlet doesn't agree with you. Bad start to a Friday, I hope your weekend is a bit better.

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because I know you wont actively seek out the truth that will destroy your own narrative, here is a condensed version, with pictures and a different video for those of you too lazy to read.

Please, don't insult us by citing a Breitbart article - it was probably written by the head of this far-right terror group...

These are pro-Trump armed Militia members - the same ones that tramped through the Michigan City Hall with their AR-15s screaming about freedom during the lockdown...

Just more of the pro-Trump far right domestic terrorists that endanger our country...as the FBI clearly outlined...

And they'll get more desperate as it becomes even more clear that Trump will lose in a landslide...

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Readers, please stop bickering. Make your point and then move onto other topics.

The hate speech of Trump is the fuel for this terrorists fascist groups, they are the electoral base of trump, they are his army of evil, they must be stopped in November 3..

If you try to hide it, ignore it or support them, you are part of the problem !!..

Sorry Trumpys, you will fall soon..

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Michigan...home of various right-wing kook groups. Not all that surprising.

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Michigan has Moore and other far left liberals that believe Carrot power will replace fossil fuel in the next 2 years, here we go again, remember Solyndra? They never learn....

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So far the rightists here have shown zero condemnation or criticism.

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How many times does the President have to denounce these people? Still waiting for the Dems to call out Antifa and BLM...,but like with packing the courts they remain silent...interesting.

Wonder what the impediment is that stops the right here from condemning this terrorist cell - is it a physical or a mental block?

Seriously, what does this have to do with the Democrats or anti-racists and and anti-fascists?

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I have a feeling the purpose of this group was to give the authorities an excuse to crack down on militias.

Why not call them gangs or terrorists?

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I have a feeling the purpose of this group was to give the authorities an excuse to crack down on militias

Have you ever met a conspiracy theory you didn’t like?

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Wonder what the impediment is that stops the right here from condemning this terrorist cell - is it a physical or a mental block?

of course the actions of these people are wrong and they should be prosecuted and I hope they spend a very very long time in prison, but you’re going to get radicalized people when you take away their civil rights.

Seriously, what does this have to do with the Democrats or anti-racists and and anti-fascists.

Their radical policies

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Their radical policies

Anti-racism and anti-fascism is "radical". OK.

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So let me guess, you dont look at Twitter either. How convenient to stay uninformed.

Pretty damning stuff. It'd be good to see the full videos, not just these crops, but it looks like this particular individual, at one point, didn't like Trump. Others under arrest have made explicitly pro-Trump posts and videos, but in this one case, perhaps his anti-government feelings were otherwise motivated.

But yeah, I don't generally look at Twitter. It's not a reliable news source.

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oh have they? got any links?

Others under arrest have made explicitly pro-Trump posts and videos

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Yeah.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8821499/The-chilling-social-media-posts-videos-Trump-loving-13-militia.html

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The article says

"Many of the 13 boasted on social media of their support for Donald Trump, or anarchist beliefs" (which are quite different points of view and totally opposite, by the way)

Then proceeds to show me a pic of one guy wearing a hat and another guy tweeting something very innocuous once. But ok, if thats what you got from this article, that this is enough evidence for you that all 13 of these guys fully support Trump, thats your choice.

Donald Trump would be great for this country he wants the middle class to succeed the class of people that built this country,' he tweeted in May 2016.

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Who said anything about all 13? What I said was,

Others under arrest have made explicitly pro-Trump posts and videos

And this article confirms that they have.

Incidentally, did you notice how you asked me for a link, and I gave it to you?

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Seems a stretch to blame Trump for every lunatic in the US.   Or indeed to blame Biden or Harris for every lunatic burning and looting.  Bad people do bad stuff.

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And this very sadly is what happens when you keep people locked down for almost a year, they tend to go crazy, sad, but what do the Democrats think

oh so its the dems fault for their hate and plotting. so do you approve of their actions or do you condemn them!? or do you just sit on the fence and jump to each side when it suits you like Trump!?

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So far the rightists here have shown zero condemnation or criticism.

theyd never do that , that would show they dont approve of Trumpism

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oh have they? got any links?

Look at Twitter, or just stay uniformed.

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LovecraftingToday  08:44 am JST

So what do you think about the Michigan Supreme Court striking down Whitmer's dictatorial and unconstitutional coronavirus orders? They must be nuts, right?

Since it’s about dodging the topic now, what do you think of Trump screaming on Twitter to LIBERATE MICHIGAN? He must be nuts too right ?

Trump has openly stoked the flames for this. These scumbags are terrorists and traitors and so is Donald Trump! He has set the stage and encouraged this trash to attempt this plot. He is a Gaddafi, a bin Laden, a Mussolini scum.

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theyd never do that

But they did, now I'm sure CNN left that on the cutting floor but we are talking about CNN now....

, that would show they dont approve of Trumpism

What?

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