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Another Freedom Slaughter brought to Americans by the NRA and GOP ShiaTea. Well done! The Second Amendment to the rescue yet again.

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“Obviously it was a tragedy, but thank God that no life was lost,” Kasich said.

And Kasich couldn't be bothered to comment on gun control and how the NRA is holding America hostage? Sickening.

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Sensato,

I was about to say the same thing. Obviously a tragedy, but not a damn thing is ever done to try to prevent it.

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Still worried that more states will slow firearms on College Campuses.

Lots of things can go wrong considering the young hormones, ego, etc.

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I am totally shocked . This never happens there. No deaths? The kid obviously didn't bring a big enough clip and definitely needs more training from those American patriots at Never Reload Again.

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Slow should be allow.

2 Kids hit and 2 injured, hope they check the parents and prosecute them as I am sure the Shooter used one of their Firearms.

In my country they parents would go to jail or heavily fined and the kid given to social services.

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its America. It seems that every other day there is a school shooting somewhere. I would have thought that people will have gotten used to it by now. Want to protect your right to bear arms? Well, there is a price to pay for that.

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Insane.

What do the steel phallus cultists have to say about this?

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Mocheake, it always "never happens there" until it does.

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Another Freedom Slaughter

You wish. Kasich said, "No life was lost."

And Kasich couldn't be bothered to comment on gun control and how the NRA is holding America hostage

Why should he? Just like in San Bernardino the left blasted guns and not terrorism itself. Kasich's comments:

“Obviously it was a tragedy, but thank God that no life was lost,”

You see. He cares about the children.

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Why should he? Just like in San Bernardino the left blasted guns and not terrorism itself.

Gosh, you're a moron... Should we blast the prepubescent teens this time? Anything but the common link between all of these shooting, right?

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Anything but the common link between all of these shooting, right?

Lets see. Eliot Rodgers (Santa Barbara University student) shot up people because he was "sexually frustrated." The notorious Columbine shooters were "bullied." The Korean guy, who shot up Virginia Tech, was all of the above. The Black and Latino gangs across america shoot each other and themselves over petty cash, rivalry, turf or drugs.

Looks to me that people (for whatever reasons) kill people. Not guns. When was last time NRA members got into a "shoot-out" with another fellow member?

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The common link, for those too stupid too see it, is that guns were available to each of these people as a direct result of their being part of well armed militias.

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Last week a nutball killed three people and wounded 14 other in Kansas because he was upset after being served a restraining order. It's a common occurrence, and the only upside is that eventually Wayne Lil Pee-pee or one of the dolts that sits on the board may experience the trauma first hand or perhaps have a family member, maybe a child, experience this insanity first hand. Fervently question whether learning is even possible in our schools and colleges anymore. IT CAN AND WILL HAPPEN IN YOUR TOWN........tick,tock. We all know it, but hey, the NRA lackeys for the gun industry are a priority for those congress members who count on their bribes to boost their incomes.

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guns were available to each of these people as a direct result of their being part of well armed militias.

They acted on their own accord. They, as individuals, pulled the trigger. Not the NRA, NRA lobbyists, congressmen, society.

How about just a little accountability. I'm pro 2nd amendment. These incidents just go with the turf. I wasn't born yet, but in 1963 I bet nobody was "blasting" guns when JFK was assassinated. Heck, gun control wasn't even on the table back then. It is now though, thanks to armed angry minorities.

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" When you are born you get a ticket to the freak show, when you are born in America you get a front row seat." - George Carlin.

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They acted on their own accord. They, as individuals, pulled the trigger. Not the NRA, NRA lobbyists, congressmen, society.

They acted on their own accord, fair enough. Maybe we should do a better job of preventing these kinds of nut jobs from accessing firearms.

But wait, we can't get rid of firearms or make it harder to get guns! Why? The NRA says so. Who owns NRA gun companies!

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These incidents just go with the turf

Cultists, furiously polishing their little barrels, shrug. "Ain't no-one gonna steal my God-given right."

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How about just a little accountability. I'm pro 2nd amendment.

I agree. So does this mean you're taking accountability for the fact that your pro 2nd amendment stance is responsible for the deaths of children, women, and other innocents?

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So does this mean you're taking accountability for the fact that your pro 2nd amendment stance is responsible for the deaths of children, women, and other innocents?

Yeah. It is what it is. Its sad when innocents, children and women are killed. (Like Obama says) . . . "it makes me angry."

But I bet incidents like these won't deter him from his next trap skeet shooting sessions over at Camp David. Or better yet, tone down his Secret Service Presidential Protection detail, switching their 9mm & 45's for tasers and pepper spray.

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How about just a little accountability. I'm pro 2nd amendment. These incidents just go with the turf. I wasn't born yet, but in 1963 I bet nobody was "blasting" guns when JFK was assassinated. Heck, gun control wasn't even on the table back then. It is now though, thanks to armed angry minorities.

Gun control wasn't on the table in 1963, because guns were still heavily controlled in 1963. It wasn't until the 70s that the very strict original interpretation of the 2nd amendment was reversed under the influence of an NRA under new leadership.

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I'm not American and have never lived there. But an American friend once told me that the fact everyone has a gun is not in itself a bad thing. In fact it's what's stopping the government from taking complete control. The fact that people will "tool up" and "stand up" for their rights. I don't know if there is any truth in what he said to be honest.

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More like, it wasn't until the 70's (sounds about right, after civil rights) when crimes in LA, Chicago, Detroit and NY (ghettos) exploded. Lots of guns used during the commission of those crimes too. Lots of drugs too.

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How is a school shooting terrorism but the South Carolina church shooting not?

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Yeah. It is what it is. Its sad when innocents, children and women are killed. (Like Obama says) . . . "it makes me angry."

Bollocks. We know how/why these problems happen. And unlike you, Pres. Obama is trying to fix the problem and not pretend its some unavoidable problem.

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wc626,

How about just a little accountability... These incidents just go with the turf.

Indeed, a little honesty might go a long way, too. These incidents just go with the turf, really? That's it? Sorry your child was shot to death, it wasn't an NRA member, these things just magically happen? The price you pay for freedumb, I suppose? 30000 or so gun deaths per year- how many devastated families, orphaned children, friends lost- and your response is sh.. happens. Repugnant. http://www.vox.com/2016/2/29/11120184/gun-control-study-international-evidence

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Wc626,

I like how you stealthily try to place all the blame on minorities.

You say you're pro 2nd amendment, why don't you actually read up on it? The authors never intended for the situation we have today. Read up on civil rights and the history of minority oppression while you're at it, because you clearly know nothing.

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I haven't heard of people up-rise when the government initiated the patriot act which limits various rights of the citizens nor when NSA was tapping into citizen's e-mail without any court orders which is a gross violation of personal privacy, and the list goes on. So does guns really stop the government from taking full control over the lives of ordinary citizens?

I doubt it.

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People are so quick to blame the NRA and guns in general. What are they going to do? Rip up the 2nd Amendment?

How did the kid get the gun (Did he steal it)? Why did he decide to use the gun (Mental illness)?

I think people just need an excuse to be angry. They want to be angry with someone or something.

Guys, we can't blame the majority for the minority's problems (law-abiding gun holders vs. mentally ill people getting a hold of weapons). We need to change drastically, but not in the way everyone thinks.

It starts in the home. It begins with parents and parenting, not with government.

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an American friend once told me that the fact everyone has a gun is not in itself a bad thing. In fact it's what's stopping the government from taking complete control.

This idea is ridiculous. The US military is the most powerful military in the world, by a ridiculous amount. There is no way the people could mount a decent fight against the military if the military really wanted to stomp on them. That contest was lost decades ago.

People are so quick to blame the NRA and guns in general. What are they going to do? Rip up the 2nd Amendment?

How about just enforcing it? If you aren't part of a well regulated militia, you shouldn't be allowed to own a gun.

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Gun supporters see no link at all between easy access to guns and tens of thousands of gun shootings each year. As long as that's the case, we might as well just accept that some kids will have their heads blown off every now and then and just move on with our lives.

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All of you who are pointing fingers at the NRA or the second amendment.... What would you have the Americans do? Remove guns from circulation? That would put guns in the gangbangers/criminals hands, but none to defend the people who are just trying to make a living and have a family. I agree that guns are a bad thing, but its too late in the game to try to remove all guns from America.

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This incident was right "in my back yard". I have been to the school a few times. Apparently the law enforcement response to the shooting was fantastic. Local parents are singing their praises.

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its too late in the game to try to remove all guns from America

Other countries have done it.

How would you do it, if it was your job, DarkKnghtZ?

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U-S-A!! U-S-A!! I guess the gun-nutters on here are probably thinking about now that if all the kids had guns this would NEVER have happened, like the insanity that is gun-loving in the US.

Maybe the US going for a record shootings this week? Last week was only two mass murders, a police officer fresh on the job, a priest gunned down in church, and various others, not to mention the few hundred that are not worthy of the news, probably. So, now it's Tuesday and that's one school shooting so far!

And what, pres tel, did it take to take down the boy, not dead? a DOG! Not a rain of bullets. Given he wasn't shot by a dozen police, I'm guessing he's white.

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@DarkKnghtZ - It is NEVER to late to take action ! NEVER !

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People are so quick to blame the NRA and guns in general. What are they going to do? Rip up the 2nd Amendment?

Yes, amending the constitution would be great. As the NRA receives tens of millions of dollars from gun manufacturing yearly, they are a perfectly fair target.

The tens of thousands of firearms deaths in the US every year is a perfectly readonable thing to be angry about.

Guys, we can't blame the majority for the minority's problems (law-abiding gun holders vs. mentally ill people getting a hold of weapons).

I can and I do. If you think that there are more shootings in the US, because there are more mentally people, then that is all the more reason to get rid of guns.

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I come from a country where 2/3 of the population own guns, we got little gun crime and no mass-shooting.

Pass a Gun handling course and a background check and pick up your Gun, BTW we have no 2nd amendment.

Difference is that most guns are owned for sport or home defense, very hard to get permission to carry outside your property and is open carry only. All hidden weapons are illegal, as well as certain calibre's and Gun models.

We have 2 VERY successful Gun makers Steyr & Glovk., both used worldwide.

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How about just a little accountability. I'm pro 2nd amendment. These incidents just go with the turf.

"These incidents just go with the turf." What precisely do you mean by that? To me it sounds like you accept that in a society where guns are available to any Tom, Dick or Harry such incidents are an acceptable side effect. And yet you still support owning guns?

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Yes, amending the constitution would be great. As the NRA receives tens of millions of dollars from gun manufacturing yearly, they are a perfectly fair target.

Actually, I don't think amending is necessary and it would probably be too difficult to do realistically. We just need to go back to the original interpretation of the 2nd amendment. That might be almost as difficult, but if the Democrats actually fought for it and we get the right judge to replace Scalia...

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you accept that in a society where guns are available to any Tom, Dick or Harry such incidents are an acceptable side effect

The steel phallus cultists all do.

And with every shooting, they get more paranoid that the vast majority of Americans who, for want of a better phrase, actually like people, might prevail.

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Gun nutters don't care about the kids, they just care about this incident because it might cause something to come between them and their prescious, prescious guns. The thought of not having the ability to instantly kill someone makes them worry about how they will be able to function in society.

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Jesus Maria!!again?Its daily news,whats on earth going on the States?What does it it mean this weapons chaos?I read a book called "enough"by former Congress woman,telling her tragic experience,when she was shot by a young guy,and how she was saved miraculously,but destroyed her life and future,and hereby its repeated in daily term everywhere in the states,and still a lot shouting ENOUGH,but people in power gave deaf ear!

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America seems to have a real problem with two issues - a country flooded with guns, and troubled young men. The first is a quit obvious one - no intelligent gun control. The second is due to many factors, not the least the power of the female which has created too much stress among young men in many countries. Feminism is a poison, and men are weak and silly in their feeble backlash. Young men need an open field of intellectual and emotional growth or many powerful emotions of the wrong kind are stirred up, leading to violent repercussions.

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"Difference is that most guns are owned for sport or home defense" I'm down with the hunters. But it seems that most people who own handguns do so because it makes them feel good. That really doesn't matter to me so much. But in case you are feeling depressed one day don't carry your gun around.

"That would put guns in the gangbangers/criminals hands" Where would they get them if they didn't exist in the first place?

"In fact it's what's stopping the government from taking complete control." A Glock vs. a Tank? Take a hint from Jaws, the movie- "We're gonna need a bigger boat". But I feel sorry for people who lose sleep over thinking any moment the US will become Naziville just like that. Imagine living life dreading something like that- then the joke is on them- it never happens as they listened to too many NRA commercials. Nice salesmanship NRA.

"Or better yet, tone down his Secret Service Presidential Protection detail" Good point. If guns were outlawed the SS would not have to be so armed. What does Mr. Abe's security detail use?

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My Grandfather was a Hunter and Gun collector, he even kept his WWII Service pistol. He had 6 Rifles and 26 Handguns.

As I said in my country licences to carry outside are hard to get out of 5 applications maybe one gets approved. Even Taxi drivers struggle to get one.

Just a very different mindset and approach to Firearms, we still got compulsory military service from age 17 to 51 and we don't want to get rid of it.

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I'm still waiting to hear how this idiot brat got a gun. I'm expecting the usual story of, "The parent's were responsible gun owners that forgot to lock up their weapons...." and, "The shooter was mentally unstable" or some such nonsense.

Thank you NRA..... Still crapping on our country as usual.

But an American friend once told me that the fact everyone has a gun is not in itself a bad thing.

@Clueless, first of all its not a fact that all American's have a gun. And your "friend" is probably a gun nut themselves or they wouldn't have that kind of perspective that gunz will protect them frum the guvment takin' over ther lives.

Responsible gun ownership does exist, but unfortunately in the US, a lot of the "responsible" gun owners aren't really all that responsible, and some are more mentally unstable than our current laws would like to admit. Tag that on with the criminal element with their illegal weapons and ofc we're going to keep seeing this mess.

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30000 or so gun deaths per year- how many devastated families, orphaned children, friends lost- and your response is sh.. happens. Repugnant.

Not all of them are school shootings. Nobody died in Ohio. The gangbangers need to stop the violence and shootings. Ever saw Ice Cube -boys in tha hood? At the end of the movies it says, "increase the peace." At least Ice Cube wears the shoe.

How many this . . . that, friends lost, families? Yeah lots. It is what it is. Guns are here to stay. Perhaps gangbangers should change their violent lifestyles.

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If you see this shooting, and think the answer is teachers need to be armed, you are a member of a cult.

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In States,if you are a politician backed,supported,and protected by a giant lobby or cartel,you will be a congress man or woman,a mayor,or even a president,but you have to pay back this favor,no "free meal",thats what happens-for instance-with RIFLE the horrible very strong weapon lobby,and thats the reason why there are many congressmen resist strongly any act against weapons chaos,or even organizing it.No wonder we will get used-if not already did-to daily news of shooting innocent people everywhere,all their mistake is that they were found in the wrong place with mental or psychological troubled guy,WHO CARES?!

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Another Freedom Slaughter brought to Americans by the NRA and GOP ShiaTea. Well done! The Second Amendment to the rescue yet again.

SLAUGHTER:

the killing or butchering of cattle, sheep, etc., especially for food.

the brutal or violent killing of a person.

the killing of great numbers of people or animals indiscriminately; carnage:

"Slaughter"? Nobody died. Your point could have been made much better without the inclusion of hyperbole and made-up words.

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"The gangbangers need to stop the violence and shootings." Why should semi autos like the AR be legal?

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Why should semi autos like the AR be legal?

Because they got that cool military M-16 "look" and they're fun to shoot. They're pretty accurate too.

You may tailor the rifle to ur likings; skeleton butstock, specials sights, long flash suppressors, grips etc.

So what's the big deal? Legally (in some states) you may only have 10 round mags. "Semi auto" means you still must pull the trigger 10 X's to unload the magazine. There are no 3-round burst of fully automatic features.

This is why they are legal. Its just too bad when they end up in the wrong hands.

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This is why they are legal.

If that was a good reason, then why aren't they legal in all countries?

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If that was a good reason, then why aren't they legal in all countries?

Maybe its not a good reason. Those were just my opinions. Who cares about those those other countries. I'm american, I don' wan't america to become more like the "rest of the world."

Because they got that cool military M-16 "look" and they're fun to shoot.

Even president obama enjoys skeet / trap shooting. I can't enjoy that cause I'm terrible at it. Skeet is no fun. The AR is my thing. Different strokes for different folks.

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"Because they got that cool military M-16 "look" and they're fun to shoot. They're pretty accurate too." How about a machine gun. Why do you want one of those?

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Why should semi autos like the AR be legal?

Why should they be illegal? Because they result in around 100 or less deaths annually in a population of over 320 million people? If so it is your position that in general a hobby or recreational that results in 100 deaths in a population of 320 million should be banned or made illegal?

How about a machine gun. Why do you want one of those?

Because they are fun to shoot......Why do you want Alcohol? Because it is fun to consume, never mind the fact that Alcohol kills more people on a per capita basis in all of the developed world than firearms do in the USA.

Gun nutters don't care about the kids, they just care about this incident because it might cause something to come between them and their prescious, prescious guns. The thought of not having the ability to instantly kill someone makes them worry about how they will be able to function in society.

Neither do you SuperLib, you would rather see children dying from Alcohol than give up Alcohol. If the only acceptable cost to enjoy a product, service, or recreational activity is zero children killed and zero children injured then we are all going to live very boring lives.

Seeing as Alcohol kills more children than firearms do on a per capita basis in the USA and pretty much in every developed country and you are OK with the body count you can't really complain about gun owners saying an even smaller number is an acceptable cost to enjoy their firearms.

Gun supporters see no link at all between easy access to guns and tens of thousands of gun shootings each year. As long as that's the case, we might as well just accept that some kids will have their heads blown off every now and then and just move on with our lives.

Gee you have a population where 32-50% of them own firearms and that ownership results in at best a one hundredth of one percent increase in the morality of the entire population and they consider it acceptable. Wow who could have seen that one coming.

Do seriously blame people for saying that if you have a product that is owned by 32-50% of population and it results in a one hundredth of one percent of the population being killed and two hundredths of one percent being wounded that they would say that is an acceptable cost? Do you seriously blame them for saying that?

Alcohol kills more children on a per capita basis in the USA than firearms do and sends over 10 times more children to the emergency room than firearms do and you consider their lives an acceptable cost so that you can enjoy the pleasures of recreational consumption of Alcohol.

This idea is ridiculous. The US military is the most powerful military in the world, by a ridiculous amount. There is no way the people could mount a decent fight against the military if the military really wanted to stomp on them. That contest was lost decades ago.

No not really, the USA military is around 1.5 million active with an additional 800k in reserve strength. Keep in mind that only around 10-25% of any nation's military is actually trained as infantry soldiers, which means front line combat, the rest are logistics and intelligence.

So what this means is that you have a military strength that is at best ~500,000 front line soldiers trying to control a population of over 320 million people, about 200+million of which are over the age of 16. Then you factor in that the population is spread out over a land area on the continental side that is over 3,000 miles from LA to Boston and over 1,000 miles from say Minneapolis to Houston. Then you factor in that it is over 3,000 miles from Miami to Seattle. To put this distance into perspective the distance from Paris, France to Moscow, Russia is about the same distance from Anaheim to St.Louis.

There is no question that if an uprising were to take place the the uprising forces would take a much higher casualty rate than the US military but then again the US military is too small and too spread out across the USA to be able to control a population of over 200+ million fighting age adults. Back during the US war of independence it was estimated that nearly 20% of the colonists took up arms against the British. If 20% of the 16 or older population was to take up arms against the USA government you would be looking at a force of over 40 million people versus a military force that at best has around 500,000 soldiers that are trained for front line combat.

The real determining factor in who would win such a conflict really rests solely on how willing the uprising forces are to take casualties. If they have a very high tolerance then the sheer number of the civilian population would over whelm the USA military not to mention that they would be too spread out which means any military unit under siege in one part of the country would be hundreds of miles away from any real reinforcements to help and that could take hours for those reinforcements to come and those reinforcements would then leave the area they just left exposed.

If that was a good reason, then why aren't they legal in all countries?

They pretty much are for the most part in the developed world, Canada, USA, UK, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, New Zeland, etc.

But then again you are right Stranger, if something is not legal in all countries then it can't possible be good enough reason to make it legal in one country. I mean freedom of speech is not legal human right in all countries so all the arguments for freedom of speech are not good enough reasons because as you pointed out it would be a human right in all countries then. Gay marriage is not legal in all countries so the arguments for gay marriage are not good enough to then to make gay marriage legal seeing as it is not legal in all countries.

How about just enforcing it? If you aren't part of a well regulated militia, you shouldn't be allowed to own a gun.

Well according to the constitution if you are a male you are automatically considered a member of the militia.

its America. It seems that every other day there is a school shooting somewhere. I would have thought that people will have gotten used to it by now. Want to protect your right to bear arms? Well, there is a price to pay for that.

You are aware that the US school homicide rate is ~0.027 per 100,000, which means the USA school homicide rate is basically the same as the UK's. In order for Australia to have a similar school homicide rate they would just need to have one homicide every other year or two every three years.

The reason why it seems more common in the USA is because the USA school population, both grade and college level, is over 70 million people which means at the current per capita rate it would be just under 20 homicides a year. Considering the USA has basically 12 week summer vacation you have about 40 weeks of school which means you have about one homicide every two weeks. Even if the USA was to cut it homicide rate in half at schools to basically 0.0135 per 100,000 it would be hitting the news every month that school is in session, sometimes twice. The USA student population is so large that basically any homicide rate level will give the impression that homicides are more common in the USA when compared to countries that have much smaller populations, even though on a per capita level they are basically the same.

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