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1st city in US named for Columbus puts his statue in storage

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Can anyone tell me why the Washington monument in D.C. should be left standing.

George Washington built a country on stolen land after slaughtering countless Indians and he was a slave owner who felt that rights applied only to Whites and not to Blacks.

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Just dismantle the country entirely, in fact, don’t just stop there, go to every formal colonial power nations and restructure and re-organize everything and just pretend none of this ever happened and wipe everything away. No more Canada, no more United States, no more Australia, no more New Zealand, give up every island in the west Indies in the South Pacific, dismantle Hawaii, dismantle and get back Alaska, give the Ainu their nation back, give up Okinawa, divide up the Netherlands, the Middle East, Africa, Spain, Basque, Sicily, give back Danzig, tear it all down, hope everyone will be happy then and we can all get back to living normal again.

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Just dismantle the country entirely, in fact, don’t just stop there, go to every formal colonial power nations and restructure and re-organize everything and just pretend none of this ever happened and wipe everything away. No more Canada, no more United States, no more Australia, no more New Zealand, give up every island in the west Indies in the South Pacific, dismantle Hawaii, dismantle and get back Alaska, give the Ainu their nation back, give up Okinawa, divide up the Netherlands, the Middle East, Africa, Spain, Basque, Sicily, give back Danzig, tear it all down, hope everyone will be happy then and we can all get back to living normal again.

argumentum ad absurdum

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Columbus - the name of the city triggers me. It has to go.

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The indicator of the trending here is that the people of the US, do not know their history and appreciate the accomplishments of those that made our current lives possible. The world is a dichotomy. It is by having that which we consider "good" and and "bad" that we can compare, understand and appreciate that which we identify as "wanted" therefore "good".

Regardless of what one believed in and stood for, it is by having recognized their part in helping us to determine what we wish, want and keep, that they can be "recognized". While many leaders, have been on what we identify as being on the "wrong" side of what we believe today, it is from them that we have learned much. For those that followed and supported such leaders likes and honored what they stood for. And it was NOT just for or against slavery but for other economic and political reasons and needs. Just because we "won" and can justify as being right does not mean that they did not play an important part in making us better.

Many of the Civil War leaders from both sides and their military strategies and techniques have taught future military leaders, as many politicians on both sides have awakened us to the good and the bad of political actions. The racial issue as we view today had very little to do at that time.

Taking down such historical figures that actually helped create a better world by being an "antagonist" does not resolve anything except personal dislike and hatred. It is like taking the Arizona memorial away because Japan is now USA's best ally in Asia, and because some of the Japanese do not like it. Or to remove the Hiroshima Atomic Bomb Memorial and remove the bombers in museums because some of the guilt ridden Americans and some of the Japanese are reminded of the horrific death and destruction it brought.

The world is by being a dichotomy continues to improve and advance. Much of the good and the bad is a "perspective" of those who experience and view life. That also relates directly to religion and race.

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@Kazetsukai, well said.

Unfortunately we’re dealing with a religeous like fervour/hysteria being channelled into the current craze, complete with mob violence, incantations, forced repentings, people literally going down on their knees, etc. We’ve seen it before throughout history.

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No historical figure survives the liberal purity test of post 2017. It’s now just a matter of who we start with and who we end with for the cancel culture.,

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Just dismantle the country entirely, in fact, don’t just stop there, go to every formal colonial power nations and restructure and re-organize everything and just pretend none of this ever happened and wipe everything away. No more Canada, no more United States, no more Australia, no more New Zealand, give up every island in the west Indies in the South Pacific, dismantle Hawaii, dismantle and get back Alaska, give the Ainu their nation back, give up Okinawa, divide up the Netherlands, the Middle East, Africa, Spain, Basque, Sicily, give back Danzig, tear it all down, hope everyone will be happy then and we can all get back to living normal again.

This but unironically

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No historical figure survives the liberal purity test of post 2017. 

What test is this? I want to take this test. Can you direct me to the nearest testing center?

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What test is this? I want to take this test. Can you direct me to the nearest testing center?

We could just discuss the question at hand.

Do you think statues of Columbus should stay or go?

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Do you think statues of Columbus should stay or go?

I don’t think so. I think his statue should remain and his presence and atrocities should be remembered for future generations, but to hide and pretend thee things didn’t happen is just childish and not wanting to deal with reality, because some peoples feelings are hurt.

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Statues should stay. All of them, of anyone. Let’s today’s virtues determine who gets any brand new statues, fine. Today’s values cannot be applied to history.

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Today’s values cannot be applied to history.

They can. Watch this:

Slavery was bad.

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We could just discuss the question at hand. 

Do you think statues of Columbus should stay or go?

Go.

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@bas4fJust dismantle the country entirely

Which is what Trump and his supporters (US and 'foreign') have said they wanted to do since the election.

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We could just discuss the question at hand. 

Do you think statues of Columbus should stay or go?

Go.

Thanks for giving a straight answer. Thumbs up although I disagree with you. I honestly think naming names helps to clarify things in this discussion.

How about Washington and Jefferson?

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This same kooky logic if applied a hundred years from now will see people of today denigrated and expunged for driving automobiles and contributing to pollution and support for oil companies. Dont laugh.

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This same kooky logic if applied a hundred years from now will see people of today denigrated and expunged for driving automobiles and contributing to pollution and support for oil companies. Dont laugh.

I can see how you could think that. But I also think that the existence of things like the Underground Railroad show that people knew slavery was wrong, even when it was happening.

I guess the equivalent would be if they named a city after an oil exec. Like one who became an oil exec now, when we know oil is killing the planet.

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How about Washington and Jefferson

Not especially bothered if their statues are gone, either.

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This same kooky logic if applied a hundred years from now will see people of today denigrated and expunged for driving automobiles and contributing to pollution and support for oil companies. 

Cool.

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We are missing the point of what statues and memorial are. They can represent both the good and the bad, the desirable and the undesirable. Most often they are reminders of both aspects of the dichotomy of life. Both are "respected" and liked by those who stand on the opposing side as well as those who support it.

It is best to view them as reminders and key players of what our history is all about. Part of the Berlin wall still exists as a reminder of what the cold war was about as well the horrors of WWII. As such they can remain.

So is it with the Presidential Libraries intended to keep history alive and available for future generations. One does not destroy a Presidential Library because they do not like that President because he supported a different cause or did something we today do not agree to.

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How did we become a nation of Iconoclasm? That is, in the social belief in the destruction of icons and other images or monuments, most frequently for politically correct reasons.

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How did we become a nation of Iconoclasm? That is, in the social belief in the destruction of icons and other images or monuments, most frequently for politically correct reasons.

Logic.

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Logic.

Leftwing, liberal political correctness is never logical; it's non sequitur

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Beginning with the freeing of slaves, unthinkable to the Greeks and Romans, through to the recognition of disabled people as fully human and gay/trans rights, the whole thing has been a pretty glorious procession of logic.

Reality does indeed have a liberal bias....

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Leftwing, liberal political correctness is never logical

It is, actually.

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Means nothing it the city remains named "Columbus". Silly people.

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To resolve all this, think of Japan. Japan has both liked and disliked. Many are even enshrined. All statues and monuments reflect a time in history to be remembered, if not to be honored, to be despised. It had and has value for those who honor them. Let history be. Then make an effort to improve and correct any wrongs.

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