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U.S. reports 1st case of Omicron variant in returning traveler

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By ZEKE MILLER

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Let be honest. US has 70-100k cases daily for weeks now. There is no way omicron hasn't already been circling around the US for awhile now.

Btw, $565 to take the shot! Slovakia is crazy rich to able to do this. While Greece is just being stingy by fining them.

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There must be first time for everything.

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Dang! If only they had time to get their booster! Do people really think that vaccination is somehow helping our situation?

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And away we go.....

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Incoming Russian troll farm.

It's pretty obvious that the distrust of the vaccine and the fanaticism around conspiracy theories just proves that the US has an education problem.

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I’m not even going to trip.

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So with its' arrival in the US, that strangely leaves only China where this latest plague-variant has yet to surface..... they must be dreading the world's headlines "Return of Chinavirus Variant Xi".

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they must be dreading the world's headlines "Return of Chinavirus Variant Xi"

Xi is an entirely separate plague on mankind.

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"Any declaration of what will or will not happen with this variant, I think it is too early to say," Fauci said

In other words, he doesn't know.

Nothing new here..

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It seems that while South African doctors first identified the Omicron variant it was already being transmitted at a minimum in Netherlands well before being announced in South Africa. It would not surprise me to discover it is already widespread in the world.

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It is not known precisely where or when the variant first emerged, though it is clear it was circulating in Europe several days before South Africa sounded the alarm.

Yet countries are banning travel from southern Africa, not Europe. disgraceful.

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Not the vaccines that don't work...???

How don’t they work? You get mild or no symptoms. Check the news about hospital data that most seriously ill or dying are unvaccinated. You are currently free to choose vaccine or not, but I definitely don’t want to end up on a ventilator and certainly don’t want to die of coronavirus in Japan.

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why i am not surprised at all?

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Dang! If only they had time to get their booster! Do people really think that vaccination is somehow helping our situation?

Well, every institution of science and medicine involved do, can you prove them all wrong?

In other words, he doesn't know.

No, in other words, nobody can know at this point, and whoever says he knows for sure what is going to happen is lying. For some people honesty must be shocking, but science is based on recognizing when you don't have enough data to know something.

So the fully vaccinated but not yet boosted traveller is the one spreading the virus around the world...???

When the ony people you are testing are vaccinating, that means those are the only ones you can get positives. Unless you can demonstrate unvaccinated travelers would have not gotten infected more easily that is a moot point.

The whole danger of the variants is that they could make all immunity against previous strains ineffective, this obviously includes the one people can get from the natural infection. The vaccine may be included as well, but getting partial immunity at a much lower risk for your health is still a much better proposition.

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Lots of comments getting 'memory holed' here.... I wonder if we will actually get told if/when this variant is shown to be very benign. Most viruses mutate that way- they get more contagious, but less lethal.

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Dang! If only they had time to get their booster! Do people really think that vaccination is somehow helping our situation?

Against Omicron, it appears not.

The whole danger of the variants is that they could make all immunity against previous strains ineffective, this obviously includes the one people can get from the natural infection.

Except that immunity from natural infection is against multiple proteins, many of which provide protection from infection. Immunity provided by the mRNA "vaccines" is ONLY against the spike protein, which is heavily mutated in Omicron.

Nothing beats getting healthy: sleep, exercise, low carbs, vitD & C, zinc,...

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Except that immunity from natural infection is against multiple proteins, many of which provide protection from infection. Immunity provided by the mRNA "vaccines" is ONLY against the spike protein, which is heavily mutated in Omicron.

Nothing beats getting healthy: sleep, exercise, low carbs, vitD & C, zinc,...

Thanks, Dr Rogan.

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A Lancet study indicates the vaccines are now increasing vulnerability to Covid rather than protecting from it:

In Israel a nosocomial outbreak was reported involving 16 healthcare workers, 23 exposed patients and two family members. The source was a fully vaccinated COVID-19 patient. The vaccination rate was 96.2% among all exposed individuals (151 healthcare workers and 97 patients). Fourteen fully vaccinated patients became severely ill or died, the two unvaccinated patients developed mild disease.

This may be why some people in Europe and the USA are now talking about mandatory vaccinations, because no one in their right mind is going to voluntarily submit to them once they realize that the protection they were promised has been inverted by VEI.

Vaccines are not stopping the transmission of the virus and they may not even be slowing it any longer.

Successful vaccine rollouts have failed to stop Covid transmission, with new data showing the prevalence of the virus increasing in fully jabbed individuals, according to a medical study in The Lancet. Examining new infections in Germany, researchers found that the rate of cases among fully vaccinated individuals aged 60 and older has risen from 16.9% in July to 58.9% in October.

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I wish I could understand from a scientific viewpoint what this contributor is trying to say.

The whole danger of the variants is that they could make all immunity against previous strains ineffective, this obviously includes the one people can get from the natural infection. The vaccine may be included as well, but getting partial immunity at a much lower risk for your health is still a much better proposition.

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Against Omicron, it appears not.

Based on what data? none is available that would let anybody make this statement validly, just guessing is not enough.

Except that immunity from natural infection is against multiple proteins, many of which provide protection from infection

Really? then provide that data, up until now the only neutralizing activity that has been found is based on the spike protein, just pulling out imaginary things means you don't actually have an argument. And yes, COVID can beat "getting healthy" people have been infected, hospitalized and died from COVID even if they were young and healthy before, even this population gains a reduction of risk thanks to the vaccines, even if you want to imagine the opposite.

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Yes, a new variant is amongst us. So now after two years of not having come down with Covid-19 I should now fear Omicron because I am unvaccinated? From the beginning I have preferred to go unmasked as i wished to get a small infectious dose multiple times to build up my immunity naturally as I have always thought to do in the past with influenza. I have never had a serious respiratorial infection in my life, just a few cases of food poisoning when I lived in Japan back in the day. Maybe twice. I purposely eat raw eggs to build up my immune system and I do not hesitate I pick up my food off the ground if I drop it and eat it. The key is not to fear.

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I wonder if we will actually get told if/when this variant is shown to be very benign. Most viruses mutate that way- they get more contagious, but less lethal.

The South African doctor, Dr Angelique Coetzee, recently repeated that the symptoms are mild to moderate and can easily be treated at home:

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/11/30/south-african-doctor-omicron-symptoms-severity-coronavirus-sot-newday-vpx.cnn

From the beginning I have preferred to go unmasked as i wished to get a small infectious dose multiple times to build up my immunity naturally as I have always thought to do in the past with influenza.

Same here, though I don't eat dropped food, unless I drop it at home.

I believe this constant masking is not good for our immune system.

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Looks like you are unable to talk about the fact that all the cases of Omicron that have transferred to other countries have been by the Fully Vaxxed cohort.

Now, with the UK bringing forward boosters to 3 months based on the Vaccine lack of efficacy along with no long term health data on the previously untried mRNA vaccines, it looks like the Vaccine skeptics/hesitants have been validated in their skepticism.

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Nothing beats getting healthy: sleep, exercise, low carbs, vitD & C, zinc,...

I haven't found any scientific studies that show natural protection through the means above is enough to protect against covid, much less be more effective than the vaccines. I have heard a lot of people say that good health is the best, and I want to believe it, as I am in good health. But there doesn't seem to be any scientific basis behind the claims that good health is enough to protect against Covid.

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Let's live our lives in a smart way without fear or favor. If you feel getting vaccinated is not in your best interest and can ride the derision of others, God bless you. More and more people are refusing the vaccine and I know this in my local circle and I know this in a wider circle by reading what real people are thinking. The tide has turned in a most definitive way. Trust me and, more importantly, of course, trust your intuition. These are not even vaccines in the first place, but a form of genetic therapy.

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It's obvious at this point that the vaccines do not stop transmission.

No.

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So now after two years of not having come down with Covid-19 I should now fear Omicron because I am unvaccinated?

I don't think Omicron cares whether you fear it or not. It's not a conscious entity.

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It's obvious at this point that the vaccines do not stop transmission.

Vaccines by themselves do not stop transmission of infectious diseases, that is something that requires other measures as well (specially when the population is below the levels required for herd immunity) this applies also for other diseases different from COVID.

Vaccinated people seem to be vectors of infection.

Everybody is, but without scientific evidence you can't just declare vaccinated people to be even at the same level of risk than unvaccinated people.

Let's live our lives in a smart way without fear or favor. 

Accoring to all the experts in the field of infectious diseases this means vaccinating, and "feelings" are irrelevant for a correct risk assessment. If you "feel" the scientific consensus is wrong and you have no proof to demonstrate it that only means you are mistaken. You are not proving people are fine with making decision that affect public health, you are just explaining the invalid excuses people use to persist in their mistakes.

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https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1036047/Vaccine_surveillancereport-_week_47.pdf

Here we go folks check pages 29-33 to see how the vaccines are protecting the community or not as the case may be in the UK with over 80% double vaxxed.

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The CEO of Moderna, admitting the vaccines will be less effective against Omicron, is now recommending double-dosing on the boosters! Anything to make an extra buck. They are desperately trying to sell as many vaccines as possible before everyone realizes how ineffective they are.

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The CEO of Moderna, admitting the vaccines will be less effective against Omicron, is now recommending double-dosing on the boosters! Anything to make an extra buck.

Did he present any data to support this, or now your position depends on trusting inconditionally whatever a CEO says? I mean, you can't have both things. Saying somebody "admited" something only works if you imply they are trustworthy.

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It alwsys amazes me when people who don't believe in something spend all their lives continuously looking for information about that something to reinforce their belief.

I realize they need to convince themselves continually but it's still amazing all the same

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If you know there's no way you'll be convinced to get vaccinated, my advice is to stop wasting time on it.

Enjoy your life instead. Or use the time earning money so you can enjoy your life.

The simple fact is that the unvaccinated has many times the risk of dying from covid compared to the vaccinated.

My advice before was to spend time with your family and friends, kiss them, hug them.

But you can't even do that now.

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Firstly, it truly hard to understand who you are and why you write so adamantly on the pro-pharmaceutical side. 

The good thing? it is irrelevan who anybody is, zero importance, the only important thing are the argumnets, and no, the is no "pro-pharmaceutical" side, correcting clearly false information is the only important thing, if your point depends on that false information and you feel bad it can be debunked the solution is to change your opinion and not to ask other to stop proving things you believed are false.

Be that as it may, the term "expert" will be defined by history after both you and I are long gone from this earth

So you think there is no expert in the world right now? if protecting a belief requires to deny the obvious existence of people that make the world progress and develop then it is time to abandon that belief already.

Again, bring even one single institution of science or medicine that says the vaccine does not work, this may be surprising but just relying in your opinion as if you were some kind of authority is not valid.

The scientific community says the vaccines are effective and safe against all variants until now, you say the contrary. It is obvious who has an actual authority (and data) to actually determine this.

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If only vaccinated people are allowed to travel, who is spreading this new variant all over the world?

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Brilliant and touche!

If only vaccinated people are allowed to travel, who is spreading this new variant all over the world?

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If only vaccinated people are allowed to travel, who is spreading this new variant all over the world?

Obviously everybody that is infected, vaccines are not a single measure that is supposed to stop the spreading and the scientific recommendation has always been that people traveling have to be tested and quarantined with or without vaccination.

You can criticize how governments have implemented the set of measures if you want, but that is very different from proving one measure is ineffective. It would be like saying seat belts are useless because people die even when wearing one while going way over the speed limit in the rain.

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RegBilkToday  08:24 am JST

"Any declaration of what will or will not happen with this variant, I think it is too early to say," Fauci said

In other words, he doesn't know.

Nothing new here..

How dare he stick to the scientific approach! He should just make things up like “conservatives” do instead of being honest.

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"Any declaration of what will or will not happen with this variant, I think it is too early to say," Fauci said

In other words, he doesn't know.

Um, yeah. Literally no one does, or for that matter could. The variant has been known only for days.

Suddenly, right-wing hatred of Fauci is staring to become more clear. They're angry because they're too stupid to realize he's not a god, and is in fact only able to make judgements based on actual data that exists.

Oh, and he stands up them. In their eyes, there is no more evil a human being now, or in fact, even in our entire history of humanity. So they hate him. HATE him.

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virusrex

Well, every institution of science and medicine involved do, can you prove them all wrong?

Can you stop this endless nebulous reference to "every institution of science and medicine" that you constantly use to create authority? It is getting boring. Nobody in the world, including your, monitors every institution of science and medicine. And beside, what "institutions" say is always heavily influenced by politics. It is more relevant to listen to researchers directly.

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I saw the exchange directly, and I loved where one reporter asked Fauci, if all incoming travellers should be tested.

Fauci: Everybody comes in by plane should be tested, absolutely.

Reporter: How about those that cross the border on foot?

Fauci: That is a different question.

CLASSIC!

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virusrex

The whole danger of the variants is that they could make all immunity against previous strains ineffective, this obviously includes the one people can get from the natural infection.

There is nothing "obvious" about your claim, as natural immunity is broadly based, while the current mRNA shots only target one specific spike protein.

Can you list some of these scientific instiutions around the world that you constantly monitor who say differently?

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Can you stop this endless nebulous reference to "every institution of science and medicine" that you constantly use to create authority? 

Sure, as soon as you provide examples of institutions that have a different opinion on that issue.

Can't find even one? that is because all coincide in that point, sorry but it is not me who contradicts you but all of those institutions. I don't need to monitor all of them, just looking how you can't come with anything is enough to prove that point.

There is nothing "obvious" about your claim

It is for everybody that do not lives believing science must be wrong about anything you don't like.

You think immunity is broadly based? prove it with a scientific reference that proves neutralizing epitopes from proteins different from the spike.

Again, you could not find anything else? that is because both immunities are based on the same template, you may not like it but unless you can prove that your meaningless "broad" immunity is against something not included in the vaccines that still means you are mistaken.

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