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2 charged in Chicago park shooting that wounded 13

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ANOTHER shooting in the US? You don't say! Bass4funk and other apologists will come on here and point out it takes four or more to be killed to qualify the term of 'massacre' in the US these days, so hey, a mere 1,402 shooting incidents? Nah -- guns aren't a problem at all. These guys could have caused the damage they did with plastic airplane models, or maybe toilet paper.

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The gangs are animals. And these punks likely have no remorse. Complete lack of empathy!

Is not that part of the problem?

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Complete lack of empathy!

Well said, MarkG.

Empathy seems in very short supply among most people with anything to do with guns.

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Saying most people is extreme. Unless you are referring to the illegal gang guns.

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Mark,

Do you know what's extreme? A nation that has largely outlawed the switchblade, can't do the same for firearms because the supporters of these infinitely more lethal weapons cannot but objectify the thousands of Americans murdered by guns each year.

Yes, murdered by guns, not people. If guns don't kill people, why outlaw switchblades?

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"He added that a three-year mandatory minimum sentence for illegal gun possession and truth in sentencing for gun crimes in Illinois is needed."

I agree. There should be mandatory "no-plea deal" sentences for the use andor possession of illegal guns. The mandatory sentences should be applied regardless of whether it's a first-time offense, an individual's "good record," etc. "You possess an illegal gun, you go to jail!" Period! End of story!

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Complete lack of empathy!

Well said, MarkG.

Empathy seems in very short supply among most people with anything to do with guns.

Agree. One common denominator found among criminals is that they cannot PROJECT a pain and suffering they are causing to others.

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globalwatcher Sep. 25, 2013 - 04:47AM JST Agree. One common denominator found among criminals is that they cannot PROJECT a pain and suffering they are causing to others.

Disagree. The rate of gun deaths in the inner cities poorest neighborhoods was about ten times the rate compared to affluent neighborhoods. By growing up poor makes an individual person more likely to commit violence. They have low socioeconomic status, being on welfare, and living in bad neighborhood and high parental stress, since poverty has been shown to increase stress. But how could U.S. goverment reduce poverty in today's economic climate?

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globalwatcher Sep. 25, 2013 - 04:47AM JST Agree. One common denominator found among criminals is that they cannot PROJECT a pain and suffering they are causing to others.

Disagree. The rate of gun deaths in the inner cities poorest neighborhoods was about ten times the rate compared to affluent neighborhoods. By growing up poor makes an individual person more likely to commit violence. They have low socioeconomic status, being on welfare, and living in bad neighborhood and high parental stress, since poverty has been shown to increase stress. But how could U.S. goverment reduce poverty in today's economic climate?

In real criminal trial, the case, I am posting here, is often used by attorneys. FYI.

How reducing poverty in today's economic climate?

I believe the answer is a quality on education. If you read a book of "Wealth of Nation", Adam Smith talks about an importance of education. I often think about a famous quote "Give them a tool, so that they can fight" by Winston Churchill before going into WWII. And that's something Obama is trying to do from his day one in Washington.

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globalwatcher Sep. 25, 2013 - 05:15AM JST I believe the answer is a quality on education.

U.S. does not have an education crisis, but a crisis in poverty problem. Nearly half of the population live in a household that received some type of government benefit. The poverty rates for blacks and Hispanics are nearly three times higher then whites.

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You don't say! Bass4funk and other apologists will come on here and point out it takes four or more to be killed to qualify the term of 'massacre' in the US these days

Can you blame him Smith? It is the same definition Australia uses.

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This is a daily occurrence in Chicago. Funny how no mainstream TV picks this up, but will blab on about viral YouTube videos. Illegal guns are everywhere and the politicians are doing nothing to go after the dealers, or enforcing law in these areas. Rom Emanuel and Obama should be ashamed of themselves, too.

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sfjp330Sep. 25, 2013 - 07:49AM JST

globalwatcher Sep. 25, 2013 - 05:15AM JST I believe the answer is a quality on education.

U.S. does not have an education crisis, but a crisis in poverty problem.

Unfortunately, US education is failing. There are many stats available if you are serious in doing research on this issue.

There is a strong link between education and poverty. It is called a Theory of Cycle of Poverty written by Oscar Lewis. I suggest you do some reading to see how these American kids who are born in poverty cannot break this bad cycle and stay in poverty. Also there is a link between poverty and crime. You can read some reading on this subject too. Good luck.

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Do most Americans care of all the killings going on in US inner cities (Blacks, Latinos, non-white, and sure as hell non UPPER CLASS whites) my answer is a simple, OF COURSE NOT! If these killings happened like in Sandy Hook etc..rich, upper class White areas of the USA, it will be on CNN, BBC etc..24/7. As long as these killings continue Black on Black, or Latino on Latino or Black vs. Latino, no one on the so called "Main street USA" will give a rat's ass. If this violence spills out of the non-white urban areas, heaven forbid into wealthier upper class WHITE areas, then we will see the same old chorus of talking heads give us some kind of information of how bad the inner city urban situation is. The reality is that as long as the urban lower classes keep killing each other over drugs, $$, gangs, no one really cares (except for the parents, family and friends of the inner city gang members and their victims) As long as the USA only punishes drug dealers but NOT drug users, this situation will only get worse.

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