Moderna virus vaccine shows striking success in U.S. tests

Good news!

hope as the pandemic enters a terrible new phase

It's a 'terrible new phase' because of failures of leadership at all levels of government.

And because of the anti-science 'herds' unable to understand that the pandemic is not a plot brought about by alien reptiles. Among other reasons.

Agree with all 3 of you. Personally, I think its time for the world to go into a shutdown to mitigate this virus. Now that there is a vaccine, the end is in sight. lets be vigilant, social distance, and stay at home as we are entering the dreaded second wave. But we have the vaccine, so there is light at the end of the tunnel. Hang in there everyone.

Vaccine won't do miracle. It might be the opposite. This is why first who gets are oldies and with pre-existing condition so we will see what's the reaction. When they get more sick or die the world will realize that wakushin is not the miracle. Don't forget about no consequences to the makers. Why in Russia infection rise while they claim that their SputnikV vaccine is 92% effective? Cannot you see how they push for vaccination while there is potential medicine?

This is why first who gets are oldies and with pre-existing condition so we will see what's the reaction

Yeah! How DARE the drug companies not have some sort of trial after stage two, where they did tests to see if the old or those with preexisting conditions had adverse reactions. I mean they could even just call the stage three trials.

I mean these stage three trials must not exist right? Or the poster above would not have made that post, right?

Kudos and gratitude to all the world's scientists who have been working on this tirelessly for the past months (which had to have felt like years)!

And to all the medical workers in the United States (nurses, doctors, EMTs, respiratory therapists): A big shoutout of gratitude to you as well. We haven't forgotten you, I swear, even if it might feel as though your urgent pleas have gone unheeded. Godspeed.

Folks, just keep holding on -- wear your mask, keep practicing social distancing, wash your hands. We're getting close!

Personally, I think its time for the world to go into a shutdown to mitigate this virus.

The world? Some countries are recording much lower infection numbers and death rates than others. The horses for courses approach makes more sense.

I agree with your optimism about the vaccine but we still have the obstacle of logistics and the problems of the deep state, Soros-funded, 5G towers spreading covid and interfering with the US election.

The world? Some countries are recording much lower infection numbers and death rates than others. The horses for courses approach makes more sense.

but still recording infections and deaths. and while a country may be recording lower levels now, the situation could change rapidly. Best to lock down now.

I agree with your optimism about the vaccine but we still have the obstacle of logistics

hence my comment about locking down everywhere. we need to control the infection rates around the world just until we can get vaccines available worldwide.

and the problems of the deep state, Soros-funded, 5G towers spreading covid and interfering with the US election.

I'm assuming you're taking the piss out of the conspiracy theorists out there and are not one yourself.

I mean these stage three trials must not exist right?

Those trials do not look at long term complications. Most of them will only appear after millions will already be vaccinated; but even then some people will continue to deny these complications.

Anyway, this pandemic is just about done...

The world? Some countries are recording much lower infection numbers and death rates than others. The horses for courses approach makes more sense.

but still recording infections and deaths. and while a country may be recording lower levels now, the situation could change rapidly. Best to lock down now.

So if a country has low infection rates and a low death rate, you’d lock it down until the vaccine is widely available? We are still not sure exactly when we’ll be in a position to vaccinate enough people. Some are saying it could be as as long as next summer.

A possible six-month or longer lockdown of the entire planet? Where is the money coming from to bail people out, particularly in developing countries? Do you think countries like India can support the needy of its 1.3 billion population for this kind of time span?

I’m not against targeted lockdowns in the case of large spikes, but the kind of shutdown you are talking about would be far more devastating than the virus itself.

Anyway, this pandemic is just about done...

You said that before the cases started to increase dramatically. If you keep repeating it you might be proved right somewhere down the line.

Those trials do not look at long term complications. Most of them will only appear after millions will already be vaccinated; but even then some people will continue to deny these complications.

Anyway, this pandemic is just about done...

Yes they do, long term complication do not appear magically without changes that can be detected way before, that is what has let the professionals understand that the COVID-19 infection is very likely to come with some long term complications of its own. The same changes and damage has not been reported from vaccine volunteers as expected from people that get exposed to a million times less antigens in a much more controlled way and without the toxic viral proteins made specifically to mess with the immune reaction.

And no, the opinion of every professional association of health workers that knows anything about the pandemic is clear, this is not ending at all. No matter how much your unsubstantiated beliefs make you think so.

Anyway, this pandemic is just about done...

You said that before the cases started to increase dramatically.

Yeah, cases (PCR positives) are increasing. So what?

So if a country has low infection rates and a low death rate, you’d lock it down until the vaccine is widely available?

Or at least until the 2nd wave abates.

We are still not sure exactly when we’ll be in a position to vaccinate enough people. Some are saying it could be as as long as next summer.

A possible six-month or longer lockdown of the entire planet?

No. Just one month would be enough.

Where is the money coming from to bail people out, particularly in developing countries?

We all have to chip in to help. The rich countries should do more to step in. We are all in this together.

Do you think countries like India can support the needy of its 1.3 billion population for this kind of time span?

With the help of the developed world, yes. On their own, no.

I’m not against targeted lockdowns in the case of large spikes, but the kind of shutdown you are talking about would be far more devastating than the virus itself.

We don't know how bad this second wave is. A lockdown sees essential workers still working. We have to start a global lockdown even if just for a month just until we get an idea of how bad this second wave will be.

Anyway, this pandemic is just about done...

You said that before the cases started to increase dramatically.

Yeah, cases (PCR positives) are increasing. So what?

Deaths are going up worldwide too. Does that matter?

Moderna is a very shady company that has never produced any usable vaccine in its entire existence.

"The Moderna results were not final – as the trial is not scheduled to conclude until late-2022[64] – and were not peer-reviewed or published in a medical journal.[63] It remains unknown whether the Moderna vaccine candidate is safe or effective in people under age 18, how long it provides immunity, whether it requires a booster shot, or whether it is effective in people of color....."

All one need to do is read Wikipedia entry about them.

"A former Moderna scientist told Stat: "It's a case of the emperor's new clothes. They're running an investment firm, and then hopefully it also develops a drug that's successful"

I hope this has been informative.

Brilliant!

Excellent news.

Same approach 2 companies similar results.

I reckon this is it.

@KlausDorth

You get vaccinated so you don't become infected

This is exactly what we want: Not become infected!

@Aly

We have to start a global lockdown

Come on Man, this is absolutely over-paranoid.

Some countries have such a low infection rate, many other countries are getting better already...

If I remember well you are working in your own Atelier, right?

So it is easy for you to call all the time for Lockdowns, because you are not depend on companies employment, right?

Come on Man, this is absolutely over-paranoid.

try saying that to all the overworked health care workers in the hospitals and see what they tell you.

Some countries have such a low infection rate, many other countries are getting better already...

Nobody is getting better. This is the start of the second wave.

If I remember well you are working in your own Atelier, right?

Huh?

So it is easy for you to call all the time for Lockdowns, because you are not depend on companies employment, right?

Wrong. I work for a company. Not that it has anything to do with it. Its the responsible thing to do

@Aly,

sorry I thought you worked in your own Atelier.

maybe I mixed you with another poster here.

Anyway...

A global Lockdown means, that many many people, especially in very poor countries will start to starve. Especially children.

Because their parents will lose jobs.

Do you think that is OK?

sorry I thought you worked in your own Atelier.

maybe I mixed you with another poster here.

No problem it happens.

A global Lockdown means, that many many people, especially in very poor countries will start to starve. Especially children.

Well no lock down will mean that those children Will starve

Because their parents will lose their lives to the virus .

Do you think that is OK?

Do you think everybody who get infected will die???

And anyway, you didn’t read my last post when I said that it is important for the rich countries to help the poor countries through this pandemic. So for example, the United States has two companies that made the vaccine. Just like the vaccine will be distributed worldwide, so should economic help to those countries which are too poor to afford handling the economic lockdown by themselves.

It would help if you read ALL of my posts before you commented on just one small aspect of one of them Monty

Do you think everybody who get infected will die???

No but you were the one that mentioned poor countries Monty. People in poor countries and even poor people in rich countries do not have the economic means and proper healthcare to deal with the virus so of course their mortality rate will be much higher.

Not to mention that without going into lockdown soon, this virus will continue to spread even more. The second wave is picking up and is doing so with a vengeance.

So if your only concern is economic for these poor people, then a month lockdown would do much to stem the virus AND bring back economic well-being to these people. But the continuously worsening situation of the second pandemic will do a lot- not only killing people but also in wrecking Economic havoc - especially on these poor countries

@Aly

should economic help to those countries which are too poor to afford handling the economic lockdown by themselves

Yes, I agree with that, but you know that this will rarely happen.

Therefore, the whole world is fighting the pandemic now. But we should carefully think about the weapons we use to fight.

A global lockdown is like shooting with an atomic bomb.

Yes, I agree with that, but you know that this will rarely happen.

Well I’m gonna have to agree to disagree with you here. Because I believe that the world is starting to realize how closely connected we all are. And that we don’t beat this pandemic unless we all work together.

Therefore, the whole world is fighting the pandemic now. But we should carefully think about the weapons we use to fight.

Certainly. The vaccine is a very good piece of news. But the vaccine cannot be used as a weapon against this pandemic yet. It’s still got to be authorized and mask manufactured and then finally distributed And refrigerated. That’s gonna take a lot of time and some of the experts are saying this may not be ready for a long time.

A global lockdown is like shooting with an atomic bomb.

Not going into a lockdown may exactly be the atom bomb you’re talking about. We don’t know exactly how bad the second wave is going to get. But it is looking pretty serious right now.

The vaccine is a very good piece of news. But the vaccine cannot be used as a weapon against this pandemic yet.

I agree with you here.

But the keyword in your sentence is "Yet".

I don't expect a vaccine here in Japan before next year summer.

But a few days ago I read that America is planning to vaccine its population already end of this year. (I don't know how they will do that).

Also Germany said there are hopeful to start with vaccine the population from February next year.

But for me here in Japan, like I said, I don't expect anything before next year summer.

Until then, I will do my best personal prevention as much as possible and till now I am running fine with that.

By the way Ally, todays Tokyo new cases are: 298

(Without guarantee that this is correct information)

But I don't know how many tests.

But a few days ago I read that America is planning to vaccine its population already end of this year. (I don't know how they will do that).

Yeah me neither. I think that’s beyond ridiculous and impossible. I don’t believe that kind of stuff Monty

Also Germany said there are hopeful to start with vaccine the population from February next year.

Yeah I’m a little skeptical about that

But for me here in Japan, like I said, I don't expect anything before next year summer.

I think that’s a sensible expectation from you.

Until then, I will do my best personal prevention as much as possible and till now I am running fine with that.

Fair enough. Stay safe

@Aly

Stay safe

Thanks you too!