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More too come later...Security will become a top issue with many countries..the "Friendly Skies" are no more...

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Amazing. TSA - as useless as ever. Only good for feeling up old ladies. Meanwhile, the rest of us have to rely upon the complete incompetence of our Al Quaedy enemies for our travel safety.

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a brilliant non sequitur:

I think the important thing to recognize here is that once this incident occurred, everything happened that should have

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Berbert61, as much of a non-fan of the TSA as I am, you cannot put the blame on them, the flight originated in Lagos, Nigeria, and was routed through Amsterdam, so the TSA had nothing to do with this screening. After watching BBC news this morning, somebody dropped the ball on this, he purchased his ticket with cash, and boarded the plane with no luggage. That should have set off alarms all over the place.

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Everytime they come up with a method to detect or we become able to detect another compound, the terrorist come up with something new. They may not be as sophisticated as James Bond and "Q", but these guys are working just that hard though to find another way to get a bomb of some kind on board.

We're just lucky that it malfunctioned. < :-)

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I guess the old adage "Shite or get off the pot" was unknown to this gentleman. I'm sure next time he'll take a laxative well before boardin'.

He was lucky to walk off the plane without bein' carried off in a passenger-induced coma.

He may never realize how lucky he was.

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I think the important thing to recognize here is that once this incident occurred, everything happened that should have.

How did the system work when the only reasons the plane didn't blow up was 1) a faulty denator and 2) a passenger.

If the Obama administration's 'system' is depending on incompetence of the terrorist then we are all in big trouble.

Moderator: Please stop using every post as an excuse to bash President Obama. This discussion is not about him.

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"Now the forensics are being analyzed with what could have been done,” Napolitano said.

All of the signs were there. This guy bought a one way ticket and had no luggage. His name was on one of the so-called watch lists and even this man's father banged ont he door of the U.S. Embassy warning us that he was a terrorist. If that's not enough the get you on the 'no-fly' list, I dont know what is.

The system totally failed. Had the terrorist been better trained on how to blow up his explosives we would have seen a terribly different outcome.

The sad part is no one in the MSM is questioning her idiotic remarks. Napolitano only demonstrates more of the lies this administration is becoming famous for.

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As hachmike66 said

Berbert61, as much of a non-fan of the TSA as I am, you cannot put the blame on them, the flight originated in Lagos, Nigeria, and was routed through Amsterdam, so the TSA had nothing to do with this screening.

The TSA had no control whether this individual got on board or not. He wasn't on a watch list to keep him from boarding, so the TSA couldn't be aware that he had been radicalized. There weren't even air marshals on board. Had it been a US flight then the blame might lay with the TSA, but it wasn't.

We can be just blessed that there were capable passengers on board.

As for this flight, this might have happened any other day and it not bring about much press, but because it happens right after the Christmas Day terrorist act, it's a big deal for sure. In a couple of days we might hear what was going on here. < :-)

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The only thing that was done right in my opinion were the actions of the passengers who clocked him. The US gov and its non-performing thousands of tax robbers did nothing.

When the government does not do its job, its time for you/us to do it and then subsequently fire them.

Proof of this is when his own father alerted people at the US embassy. The embassy staff were probably on their two hour lunch break or one of the many holidays they enjoy.

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This guy gets through and the TSA numbskulls interrogate me like I am some kind of terrorist nearly every time I get in line for a flight. MORONS! Too busy staring at the tree to notice the forest.

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Oh my.

An extremely offensive report, from ABC News of all sources, has just reached my colleagues and I at the Dearborn Kabob House:

Investigators believe Abdulmutallab was connected to al Qaeda by the same radical imam, American-born Anwar Awlaki, who is linked to the American Army major accused of opening fire at Fort Hood in November.

There must be some mistake.

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They'll be checking the plane's waste disposal systems. An hour in the bog and I hope we wasn't straining too much.

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was in the bathroom for a long time, I wonder how he was able to put up with stink. Wonder, did they check the toilet? I'm sure you've all heard about swallowing balloons with contraband in it then excreting it out.

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Abdulmutallab is alleged to have carried the explosive in condom-like pouches attached to his body.

OK. Any tips on how we're going to stop THAT? It would seem the only way to do it would be to literally strip search the guy.

What I do find amusing is the same group of people who claim security laws are like a gulag are the first to criticize airport authorities for not stopping a guy that literally would take gulag methods to do so.

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Moderator: Please stop using every post as an excuse to bash President Obama. This discussion is not about him.

Ever give the same warning to any of the Bush trolls? Checking....NOPE!

Moderator: When necessary, certainly. All trolls are warned off.

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Napolitano said the traveling public “is very, very safe.”

If she really believes that, instead of using private jets she should start flying Northwest.

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TSA is a joke. 25 percent of them should be transferred to Customs. The other 75 percent -- starting with Napolitano -- should be sent to the unemployment line.

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The second guy could have been trying to set up his own bomb, and then when they started knocking on the door, maybe he was then trying to destroy it and flush it all away.

What struck me about the first guy was that he showed no evidence of pain, even when his leg was chargrilled. I wonder if these guys shot themselves up with painkillers or opiates before embarking?

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Agreed with Prof above.

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these men are brainwashed idiots. Now the racial profiling begins, I do not want to fly for a long time.

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I smell a witch hunt brewing.

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memyself:

" Now the racial profiling begins, I do not want to fly for a long time. "

Total BS. The jihadist plane bombers are not connected by race; they are connected by their belief.

Conversely, half of Nigerias population is Christian, and you can bet your behind that no Christian Nigerian has ever tried to suicide-bomb a passenger plane, or ever will.

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With all the regulations in place, what would you do if someone sitting next to you on an international flight acts suspicious and ends up being a nutjob with a bomb? A)press the help button for assistance and apoligize to the nutjob for infringing on his right to fly, or B) panic and subdue this nutjob to protect your life and your family?

I do appreciate the efforts TSA attempts to provide us, If they were not there thwarting possible terrrorists, we would be watching daily incidents of planes falling out of the sky.

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SuperLib:OK. Any tips on how we're going to stop THAT? It would seem the only way to do it would be to literally strip search the guy.

Sniffer dogs. I would not mind being sniffed by a dog, but I really hate taking my shoes off and having to hold them with all my other things. Also, not being able to take water is extremely annoying. And so is having to ensure my tiny pocket knife made it into my checked baggage.

What I do find amusing is the same group of people who claim security laws are like a gulag are the first to criticize airport authorities for not stopping a guy that literally would take gulag methods to do so.

As someone criticizing such methods, I never once criticized any authorities about the fact that the guy made it on the plane. There will always be a risk to flying, and outside of some general checks, I actually don't expect much from the authorities. When I fly, I keep my eyes open, and plan to do everything I can to save myself, because no matter what, there is no way all risk can be eliminated by the authorities anyway.

What I find incredible is people nodding at every single security measure imagined, no matter how useless it is, so that they can "feel" secure on a flight.

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WilliB

Conversely, half of Nigerias population is Christian, and you can bet your >behind that no Christian Nigerian has ever tried to suicide-bomb a >passenger plane, or ever will.

True,but the Irish Christians groups also know how to kill and blow up a lot of people too. So what's the point?

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So what's the point?

Irish Christians haven't declared jihad on the whole world, for one.

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man, do some of you guys even READ the articles????? It clearly says the flight originated OUTSIDE THE US. Therefore, the TSA had NOTHING to do with this. You can not blame them for any part of this incident.

A Nigerian passenger.... locking himself in the bathroom for an hour and becoming verbally disruptive upon landing..

I wonder what he was saying? Maybe, "Urgent International Business relationship needed, please transfer $10,000 and your account information to me so I can transfer the sum of $31,000,000 to your account..."

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Thanks for that post societymike, on both points. Yes, the actual topic here is the 2nd Nigerian. I have to wonder if he was excessively troubled because of the other Nigerian, or if he too was a whacko. The article is no help in making that determination.

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USARonin: Irish Christians haven't declared jihad on the whole world, for one.

The "whole world" being the USA in your mind I take it. Gee, I wonder why anybody has anything against the US?

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I look forward to the day when "Atheist Airways" becomes a real airline :)

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USARonin,

Irish Christians haven't declared jihad on the whole world, for one.

Well the second point is, neither has the entire Muslim population. The size of the the Jihadists are equal to the same number of extreme Christian groups. The percentage compared to the Muslim population is around 1-2%. The difference between them and the Christian groups is they really believe in what they are doing and have the guts to do it.

The problem isn't the religion. The religion was simply hijacked and use as a tool to unite these people. Like Christian and Racial hate groups.

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societymike these posters aren't that stupid. They know the flight originated outside the US, etc. It's just their chance to bitch against Obama and the TSA. Oh yes federal workers in general.

From the time the 2nd Nigerian reached the US he could have picked his unique bomb from anyplace between Lagos and Amsterdam.

Let me finish my post so the republicans can start their rants again. < :-)

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This was the same flight, but a day later. The first Nigerian had spent a long time in the lavatory and complained of stomach ache. This second Nigerian spent an hour locked in the bog. Surely he could see why people might suspect him. I am not surprised people suspected him of something, and he then made the double mistake of becoming verbally abusive. Lock the place down. No brainer.

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The difference between them and the Christian groups is they really believe in what they are doing and have the guts to do it.

Targeting innocent defenseless human beings on purpose sure takes alot of guts and courage, right B.G.

adaydream........The TSA had the flights passenger manifest and who was onboard well before the flight entered U.S airspace. If the Jihadi was on a no fly list the flight would have been diverted well before arrival. You know that and I know that. The system failed and the TSA is partly to blame for having him on a just terrorist watch list but not on a no fly list, allowing him to try and kill as many innocent Americans as he could with his 'guts' that had explosives strapped to them.

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USARonin: blm, hundreds of millions of Muslims in the Middle East and around the world support and cheer on the actions of the jihadists.

And you light a candle every time you hear an innocent died from bombs your tax money paid for, right?

I am not even sure I sure pander to your groundless accusation of who cheers and how many do, as if you have any clue, but the reasons why some cheer have less to do with religion and more to do with hate for the U.S. And while some of that hate is just the hate that is always reserved for number one, some of it is actually deserved through U.S. actions of greed and meddling.

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and more to do with hate for the (US)

numbskull, if you ain't figured it out yet... y'know that 'clue' thingie... their problem is with the West... And that's you, amiga.

I think it's unfortunate you who has lived so well in the West cheers on these jihadists. -Guilt for livin' high on the hog, maybe?

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@Sailwind

Targeting innocent defenseless human beings on purpose sure takes alot of guts and courage, right B.G

No, but self sacrifice for one's belief does take guts.

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but the sacrifice of others does take guts

Did I misquote you, blm?

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sailwind

If the Jihadi was on a no fly list the flight would have been diverted well before arrival. You know that and I know that. The system failed and the TSA is partly to blame for having him on a just terrorist watch list but not on a no fly list,

Sure I do, I also know that there are multiple list. Going by his father's call to the authorities about his son, he said up until lately he had been a good upstanding young man. It was just recently that he became radicalized.

What's the procedure for these people to get put on a no-fly list or any other list? How many people are investigated and then put on the list? I don't know. I heard one report recently where one list had 50,000 names and another list 40,000. Can you get every radical listed? How fast? By the way, who's turning in these names to be put on a list? Is there a register that they complete/ both sides when they finish certain jihadist classes? < :-)

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USARonin,

blm, hundreds of millions of Muslims in the Middle East and around the >world support and cheer on the actions of the jihadists.

Where have you seen this hundreds of millions? That sounds like another Fox News video editing mistake. I haven't seen it and would like to meet someone who has. Care to share?

Or do you mean small sympathizing groups like the family and friends. Just like when Irish supporters in the US supported the action of the IRA thought not directly taking part in the actions.

Moderator: The IRA and Ireland are, of course, irrelevant to this discussion.

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The "whole world" being the USA in your mind I take it. Gee, I wonder why anybody has anything against the US?

Wake up and smell the Islamic hate, my friend.

Since 9-11, London's been bombed. Spain's been bombed. Large parts of France have been burned in Islamic riots. The Philippines... Africa... Korean hostages taken (and murdered?)... What else?

America has not been successfully bombed since 9-11.

Yes, my friend... 'the whole world'. -You don't get this yet?

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I hate dropping bombs on the plane. I am always afraid someone is going to hear one of my baritone toots. PS never eat the little noodle bowls they like to pawn off on people these days. That one will certainly keep you in the crapper for a while.

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USARonin,

Wake up and smell the Islamic hate, my friend.

Once again not condoning the actions but where is this "hundreds of millions" strong front you were pushing earlier? Once again all this horrible acts were committed by a small group. Just like the same numbers of Christian and Racial hate groups. I wonder how many people including yourself believe or agree with despite having any involvement with these Christian and Racial hate groups?

The problem like I was explaining to Sailwind, these people despite small in numbers truly believe in what they are fighting for.

And numbskull, made a good point that some of this hatred towards the West has nothing to do with religion. It is based on their experience with Westerners. Like having their villages bombed,family and friends killed. You think you would be all fine and dandy with that if it was you?

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USARonin,

Did I misquote you, blm?

No. What were you willing to give up your life for recently? I don't mean with some potential threat. Like being a military or police officer. You sign up for it and you know the risks. I mean actually being forced to make an immediate decision to sacrifice yourself without any worldly benefit to yourself?

Like, I said guts! Misguided but guts still the same.

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19 million Muslims for jihad…and that’s just in Indonesia

http://michellemalkin.com/2006/10/15/19-million-muslims-for-jihadand-thats-just-in-indonesia/

numbskull, add to this Saudi Arabia, Filipino Islamists, Pakistani Islamists, Iran Islamists... the combined number of Islamists in Britain, France, the US, Spain, the Netherlands, Germany...

numbskull, how come all this is news to you?

It's not really a question, my friend.

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I mean actually being forced to make an immediate decision to sacrifice yourself without any worldly benefit to yourself?

He made a concious decision to get commit murder period. That is not guts that is a coldblooded murderer and you want to impart some sort of 'diginity' to it.

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USARonin: America has not been successfully bombed since 9-11.

America was not bombed on 9-11. Just the tip of the iceberg of your statements not matching the facts.

Since 9-11, London's been bombed. Spain's been bombed. Large parts of France have been burned in Islamic riots. The Philippines... Africa... Korean hostages taken (and murdered?)... What else?

I have to admit, I am impressed. Indeed you do seem aware there is a whole world outside of the United States. Unfortunately, you still seem unaware that there is a world of violence unrelated to Islam, and that some violence is only casually linked to Islam. Muslims liked to violence does not make it Islamic violence, and more than violence linked to Christians makes it Christian violence.

London was not bombed. It had bombing incidents. London has not been bombed since the Battle of Britain. Further, it was not all that long ago that Catholics were planting bombs in London. Spain? Yep, that is al-Quaida, a group that at least "claims" to be Muslim. But before they were blamed for the 2004 Madrid bombs, it was believed to be the work of Basque nationalists who are not Muslim and are responsible for more bomb attacks than anybody else in Spain. I know of no specifically Muslim riots in France. Maybe you mean Belgium? The Philippines enjoys separatist violence far beyond just the Islamic kind. Africans war on eachother, but what's new? And the Korean hostages? Not a damn thing to do with religion! The Taliban wanted Korean troops out of Afghan, and it had nothing to do with their religion!

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USARonin: 19 million Muslims for jihad…and that’s just in Indonesia

Your own link says that is only 1 in 10 Indonesian Muslims! Ten percent man! And those ten percent were only polled on a specific bomb attack in...INDONESIA! First you blame all of Islam for worldwide terrorism, then as proof of that you provide a link to a minority of Muslims supporting terror IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY. Are you going to keep embarrasing yourself like this?

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blm, I'm not signing on to anything I can think of at the moment that >will guarantee I'll stop sharin' my air with you.

Exactly, no guts. Not even for the right thing? Might point has been made.

He made a concious decision to get commit murder period. That is not >guts that is a coldblooded murderer and you want to impart some sort of >'diginity' to it.

Nope, I want to point out that a lot of these people willing to sacrifice themselves truly believe it is a righteous cause. Just like the Armed Forces do everyday when the previous Commander in Chief lead us into the misleading Iraq war. Understanding, what is the real undelining factor is key to finding a real solution. Saying because they are Muslim is superficial and weak-minded. Just like saying because they are Christian.

There should always be respect even for your enemies. There is honor in that.

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Numbskull,

Here try this link.

http://wits.nctc.gov/Main.do

Go to incidents and do a simple search. Click the perpetrator characteristics icon.

Christian extremist....227 terrorist incidents worldwide

Islamic extremist (shia, sunni, unknown...They had to make 3 catagories to cover the mayhem.......13,720 terrorist incidents worldwide.

Pesky Facts once again. Now how is the real threat again?

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America was not bombed on 9-11. Just the tip of the iceberg of your statements not matching the facts

numbskull, wot? * Those two airliners were turned into missiles that did more damage and death then any two Cruise missiles fired by any Allied ship or aircraft.

London was not bombed. It had bombing incidents

No, numbskull, London was bombed. When cornered, you just want to play semantics with the method of their delivery.

The Taliban wanted Korean troops out of Afghan, and it had nothing to do with their religion

numbskull, as you say, it was 'the Taliban'. It had everything to do with religion.

Again, you keep equatin' past Irish Christian violence which was largely kept between two factions (pro and anti-Brit groups) to worldwide Islamic jihad.

You support jihadists and to defend them you have to bring up impotent anti-Christian arguments that have no topical relevance.

Good show, my friend.

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Nope, I want to point out that a lot of these people willing to sacrifice themselves truly believe it is a righteous cause. Just like the Armed Forces do everyday when the previous Commander in Chief lead us into the misleading Iraq war. Understanding, what is the real undelining factor is key to finding a real solution. Saying because they are Muslim is superficial and weak-minded. Just like saying because they are Christian.

There should always be respect even for your enemies. There is honor in that.

There is no honor in killing innocent human beings on purpose. Any member of the U.S Armed forces would be found guilty of a war crime if it is found in the course of carrying out his or her duties that he killed innocents on purpose.

You strip away diginity from those that would sacrifice themselves to protect freedom by serving in the armed forces and award it to murderers. I'm a Veteran of 20 years under both Democratic and Republican Commander and Chiefs I know what 'guts' really is, that is operating within the law and within the rules of engagement.

Those that operate outside of the law and the rules of engagement are criminals and murderers and deserve nothing but scorn and not praise for their 'guts' to kill innocent human beings on purpose to promote a political agenda that they can't win by the force of their ideas alone but have to resort to terrorize innocents by making them bloody political posters for their cause instead, to try and achieve it.

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There should always be respect even for your enemies. There is honor in that

numbskull, do you read a lotta manga? When I wore the uniform I respected the fact that by skill or by luck my 'enemies' could certainly kill me 'graveyard dead' real quick. But 'respect' them or their philosophy? No, my friend. That's glorifyin' the ugly. -The stuff of anime... manga...

Moderator: Back on topic please.

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USARonin: Those two airliners were turned into missiles that did more damage and death then any two Cruise missiles fired by any Allied ship or aircraft.

Semantics are big part of your trouble. Your inaccurate use of language leads to you being misunderstood, not only by others, but even by yourself. America WAS NOT bombed on 9-11. Its not semantics. Its facts. America suffered terrorist attacks on 9-11 in the form of hijackings and crashing planes. That does not translate to bombing.

No, numbskull, London was bombed. When cornered, you just want to play semantics with the method of their delivery.

No, I want accuracy. Your inability or refusal to pay attention to detail is why you have everything so completely mixed up. There I did play semantics, I admit it. But since you are so inaccurate with language, I feel completely justified.

Again, you keep equatin' past Irish Christian violence which was largely kept between two factions (pro and anti-Brit groups) to worldwide Islamic jihad.

I am not saying that there is not a worldwide terrorist movement with strong links to Islam (at least in the minds of the terrorists). There is one. My issue is with your irresponsible blaming of all of Islam for that movement (or at least your language presents that, YOUR semantical problem) as well as your refusal to look upon other reasons for it, including equally heinous actions by your own country and your country's businessmen.

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@USARonin,

numbskull, you asked me if there's anything 'recently' that makes me >want to do something right now that's gonna guarantee - guarantee - my >own death. The answer's still, 'Nope'. And I sincerely hope I never >will again.

You just continue to show how foolish and weak minded you are. It is a fact so many people like you won't sacrifice themselves for what they believe is right.

You just proved that there are not "hundreds of millions" of Muslims willing to kill themselves for jihad. Like you that don't have the courage. Only a small percentage of people will do it. That is why courage is glorified. You just proved yourself wrong.

What an idiot! You are going down a slippery slope my friend.

Not even for family? Huh? Coward! Hah!

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First of all, it is not enough to separate attacks by extremist religious group. You also need to separate whether the attacks are national or international to get a vague idea of what is more civil than religious. Even then, I have no doubt Islamic extremist groups will come out in the lead. But its not a problem with Islam. Its a problem with extremists. Before this Islamic extremist deal, we had plenty of Marxist extremist deals in non-Muslim countries. And your type blamed communism. But it wasn't communism. It was extremists, doing the same damn thing they always do. They just act like they found reasons in Islam like they pretended they found reasons in communism, and you give them credence.

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biglittleman:"this hatred towards the West has nothing to do with religion. It is based on their experience with Westerners. Like having their villages bombed,family and friends killed. You think you would be all fine and dandy with that if it was you?"

Bingo! Another fine post, my amigo. Well, it really,really is just too funny watching the few remaining bush supporters here try their dambdest to avoid discussing the fact that America probably has troops stationed ALL OVER Nigeria and has taken at least half, if not all the oil they have there.They really can't see the forest for the presto logs!! Hence the violent actions like that of this lone coyote from Nigeria - really still just a child - who like, millions of Muslims around the world, has been driven to violence by imperialist western powers.

"There should always be respect even for your enemies. There is honor in that."

How many of us would have the courage to board a flight to Detroit full of Europeans,Canadians and Americans and light our crotches on fire to help bring attention to injustices in a third country thousands of miles from our own???

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numbskull, most every American would agree with my statement that those two airliners were turned into missiles, i.e. bombs. Unnerstand?

numbskull, thank you... London was bombed. You now accept that there are differents kinds of bombs and different methods for delivering them. Progress. Excelsior.

I never said all of Islam are either jihadists or support jihadists. You've made that strawman argument before.

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They just act like they found reasons in Islam like they pretended they found reasons in communism, and you give them credence.

Funny, I just recognize the brand name they operate under now. You know "de nial" isn't just a river in Egypt.

as well as your refusal to look upon other reasons for it, including equally heinous actions by your own country and your country's businessmen.

I think all that white guilt thing your carrying around is a pretty sad thing to see on display, myself. The real reason is because of their rotten childhoods and their Daddy didn't give them enough attention when they were younger, heck seems to work for our criminals here as a defense for when they commit crime.

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You just proved that there are not "hundreds of millions" of Muslims willing to kill themselves for jihad

And where did I post that, numbskull?

Not even for family? Huh? Coward! Hah!

numbskull, is there some immediate threat to my family that I need to rush right out and guarantee - guarantee - my own death right now.

Help a bud out. And his family.

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But it wasn't communism. It was extremists...

Er, numbskull... the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, countries of eastern Europe, Cuba in Africa, Cuba in Cuba, Ho Chi Minh,Mao...

A few extremists, eh?

Right.

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USARonin: Er, numbskull... the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, countries of eastern Europe, Cuba in Africa, Cuba in Cuba, Ho Chi Minh,Mao... A few extremists, eh?

Oh, Geez! Can you understand nothing? I was not talking about civil wars. I was talking about TERRORISM.

And where did I post that, numbskull?

You cannot even figure out who wrote what despite the fact that user names are clearly printed before each post! Dude. I am not kidding. I am not trying to insult you. You desperately NEED to pay more attention to details. You are wreckless. You are, in fact, part of the problem.

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question.............since the Nigerian had to go to the john to " fixed " the bomb ( for that matter, Richie the shoe bomber ), why can't he bloody set off the bomb inside the toilet ? Why came back to the seat and attempt to start the fuse in public ?

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I was talking about TERRORISM*

North Korea, South American Marxists, Cubans in Africa, Viet Cong in South Vietnam...

And ya doesn't have to yell at me, numbskull. I can read ya just fine.

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oberst:

" why can't he bloody set off the bomb inside the toilet "

It is a question of time before a martyr bomber does just that. In the event, had the bomb actully worked, it would not make a difference.

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You just proved that there are not "hundreds of millions" of Muslims willing to kill themselves for jihad

numbskull, I ask again: And where did I post that? I never said there are hundreds of millions of Muslims willin' to 'kill themselves' for jihad.

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USARonin: And he calls me a 'coward'? Funneee.

Sigh. You did it again! It was not I that called you a coward! When are you going to see daylight?

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USARonin: numbskull, I ask again: And where did I post that? I never said there are hundreds of millions of Muslims willin' to 'kill themselves' for jihad.

I never said you did. It was somebody else. Snap...out...of...it.

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This article is incomplete. It was confirmed that the second person did have food poisoning. What should he have done? Throw up in his seat or have diarrhoea in his seat and smell up the plane as well as embarass himself?

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Then there was another incident saturday night as reported on http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TRAVEL/12/28/michigan.airplane.disruption/index.html

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sappquest, you live in a new world post-9-11.

When folks on an aircraft say you've been in the john too long and refuse to come out, ya better crack that door no matter who gets offended by your stink.

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then also when you're travelling and someone's baby needs changing and neither parent can go to change the diapers, that's gonna literally "raise a stink" too. I've been on a flight to Paris when that happened and it wasn't a good experience...

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sappquest, we gotta weigh someone's unusual behavior against three-hundred people smashin' into the ground at four-hundred miles an hour.

If someone locks himself in the bathroom and becomes verbally abusive to inquiries, that's unusual behavior. I want that door smashed down and that guy dragged out rather than three-hundred odd folks possibly dyin' horrific deaths.

It's a new world.

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If you have diarrhoea on a plane, I guess the safe answer when someone is knocking on the door is to ask one of the flight attendants to enter and verify that you are genuinely passing out the real stuff... Also, some nationalities' accents sound more aggressive to other person though they are not...maybe just frustrated at being forced to rush/hold back his bodily functions. It is a serious thing to consider though because millions of people travel daily and there will inevitably be someone(s) who have illnesses or whose actions are misinterpreted, especially by overly jittery persons. Also, on long-haul flights, most people wake up to go to the bathroom near the end of the flight. Another thing, it doesn't have to be the last hour of flight that someone does something destructive and it doesn't have to take more than a few minutes for them to be successful. Will persons be banned from using the bathroom at all then? or will there now be cameras in the toilets with a new airline "in-flight toilet camera monitor"?

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By the way, I'm not trying to trivialize the issue since it's a serious one that needs to be addressed. The response needs more thinking through and must be practical.

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"When folks on an aircraft say you've been in the john too long and refuse to come out, ya better crack that door no matter who gets offended by your stink."

Perhaps I'm just used to budget chcken airways here in Yurp, but anyone who can remain seated on one of those toilets for twenty minutes must be some kind of athelite....

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sappquest, all that cultural stuff is interestin' but if someone locks himself in an airliner bathroom for an hour and refuses to come out, we're goin' in there very violently. The lives of everyone on that aircraft may depend on it. Many of us have learned that lesson.

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"but if someone locks himself in an airliner bathroom for an hour and refuses to come out, we're goin' in there very violently"

Heh, I loves it when ya goes all Chuck Norris on us ronin. I can hear the music from the Delta Force in the background....

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Well, I suppose proactive passengers and crew could say 'please' unlock the door or we'll have to say 'please' again.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

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not trying to accuse the guy of anything, but if you think about it, like I said before, you could put something in a balloon, swallow it, crap it out and put it down the toilet, which would make one big of an explosion.

Did they check the tank?

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"Abdulmutallab was hospitalized with burns from the attack"

Who's paying for this?

"generic" terrorist watch list, which includes more tham half a nillion names"

Lotsa nutters out there.

"Abdulmutallab was properly screened before getting on the flight"

Apparently not.

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The guy was released and allowed to go on his way.

Maybe the guy just had something bad to eat, you know how airline food is! and needed to use the toilet a lot.

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Apparently IT WAS food poisoning.

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badge123-i don't take this theory,then everyone on the plane ought to be in queue.

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I was joking about bad airline food, but it was in fact food poisoning because he did eat something bad somewhere, the FBI and DHS cleared him and he was let to go on his way.

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"Al Qaeda in Arabian Peninsula claims responsibility for Christmas Day bomb attempt aboard U.S. jet" - FOX News

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I love how spineless conservatives are holding Obama accountable for a man getting past European security. By the way, which party was in office when 3000 American citizens were killed by terrorist? Oh yea, the GOP. Conservative have no room to moan on about dropping the ball security wise.

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Actually it was 2669 Americans with 329 non-americans (not including the terrorists themselves), I don't want people to forget the non-americans or this only affected americans only. Fuji Bank was inside the WTC directly where one of the planes hit.

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Any case I can agree security failed somewhere along the lines, rather not just one thing but like all catastrophes a series of miss-actions that lead to the event.

What I'm afraid of is all you'll see next is MORE security theatre.

As for the 2nd man, it was a nonincident, food poisoning and everyone being jumpy.

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He had explosives sewn to his underwear. The only way to detect this is to smell it with dogs or the latest scanners, pat his junk in a pat down, or use the latest invasive scanners. There's good reasons why none of those three are being used and won't be any time soon at most airports.

Captain Obvious here, but if we have to pat his junk, we'll have to pat the junk of a tens of millions of travelers before we catch 1 terrorist. Nice. Or we have to take nude snapshots of tens of millions of travelers using the latest scanners. Between the three taboo techniques, the smell technique is least invasive but also the least reliable. Dogs and sniff scanners can't sniff everyone, although again that's pretty much the best compromise you'll get without sexually assaulting everybody who flies.

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Humm.. this was probably just a test for the terrorists to see if their new device would be detected. Probably more attempts like this one yet to come.

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