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3 dead in Indiana mall shooting; witness kills gunman

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The good guy with the gun saves the day. For sure the 3 victims were not armed.

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article headline says “witness” to avoid a “good guy with a gun” type headline.

second time in two days an armed customer took out a mass shooter.

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In Ulvade,they say it was about 400 cop on scene of the school shooting Google Ulvade Shooting

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An armed civilian killed the man, Ison said at a news conference. In total, four people were killed and two were injured, he said.

Don't know this 'good samaritan''s situation, but Indiana became a constitutional carry state - no permit needed to carry a handgun openly or concealed - on July 1 of this year. This is definitely an argument in favour of that.

Of course, it's unfortunate that it came to that, and hopefully those who choose to carry their handguns take it upon themselves to undertake appropriate training, and carry responsibly.

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“We are sickened by yet another type of incident like this in our country,” Indianapolis Assistant Chief of Police Chris Bailey said.

Mmm, sure but will the higher ups actually get their acts together to address this epidemic? Doubtful. The NRA is going to use the fact that a witness shot the shooter and spin it to say, "look! Guns protect people!"

RIP to the victims and condolences to the families.

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The NRA is going to use the fact that a witness shot the shooter and spin it to say, "look! Guns protect people!"

"Spin it?" But that's what happened. The suspect had "a rifle and several magazines" so was obviously there for as high a kill count as possible. And the police responded to 'reports' of the shooting. The threat was neutralised before they even got there.

I don't agree with America's stance on gun control. But it's hard to deny that this could have been a lot worse if not for the intervention of an armed civilian.

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We have sensible gun laws and almost zero gun homicides even with the recent killing of ex-pm Abe

But that the crime even happened was a test to Japan’s historical unblemished image on having one of the safest societies on the planet because with all the restrictions it should not have happened and yet, it did. What happened Ulvade should also never have happened. Someone needs to lose their job and possible be brought up on charges.

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Here is the answer to NRA garbage about "the good guy with a gun." The reason we have the "bad guy with a gun" appear frequently and lethally in our lives is because of loose or non-existence gun laws. If the U.S. had strict gun laws you would not need a "good guy with a gun."

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Don't know this 'good samaritan''s situation, but Indiana became a constitutional carry state - no permit needed to carry a handgun openly or concealed

which obviously the killer was doing, under his rights. Great law…not.

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Kudos to the man that saved innocent lives by stopping the terrorist.

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which obviously the killer was doing, under his rights. Great law…not.

We don't know the details. Perhaps he was prohibited from owning a firearm, perhaps not. You know what is illegal though? Taking a rifle to a shopping mall and killing random people with it.

Here is the answer to NRA garbage about "the good guy with a gun." The reason we have the "bad guy with a gun" appear frequently and lethally in our lives is because of loose or non-existence gun laws. If the U.S. had strict gun laws you would not need a "good guy with a gun."

Totally reasonable. However, laws aren't always going to protect you as we've seen recently in Norway, Denmark, South Africa and Japan. In those cases, you can only rely on the police - not always a guarantee - or yourself.

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This is why we don't want criminals to have weapons; let the good guys carry:

 an armed civilian shot and killed him, police said.

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Japan does not have an unblemished image of gun homicides. Just when compared to America, they are almost zero. Rarely involve civilians usually gangsters.

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Malls are private property and everyone I've been to has a no firearms allowed rule, so this "witness" was violating mall rules and can be charged.

Make more gun laws when the current ones aren't being enforced won't change anything. There are 3 missing things in current gun laws which aren't enforced,

the gun show loophole to avoid background check needs to be closed, same for private citizen to private citizen sales. For a licensed intermediary to be involved who is required to perform the required background checks.

red flag laws need to be more aggressively followed (and implemented nation wide)

mandated, real, gun safe and trigger locks for all firearms with spot inspections need to be implemented nationwide.

These things are possible. Collecting all the firearms is not possible and has ZERO chance of becoming law. So rather than complain, Congress and the President need to actually DO SOMETHING that helps and doesn't get found unconstitutional by SCOTUS.

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Yet another mass shooting in the USA - the most dangerous "developed" nation on earth. RIP to the 3 innocent victims.

These things are happening basically every day in the gun-obsessed USA now. Fortunately in places like Japan - due to strict gun laws - these mass shootings happen only once in a blue moon.

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which obviously the killer was doing, under his rights. Great law…not.

Killers don’t follow “laws”

so thank God the law allowed the other person who shot him to have a gun.

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Yesterday too:

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/missouri/articles/2022-07-17/convenience-store-customer-kills-armed-robber-in-missouri

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That math sounds like how Biden calculates that gas prices are “down” and that the inflation numbers were “outdated” the second they were released.

in real word, 2 good guys with guns saved multiple lives in 2 days. Allowed by being in red states where they can carry guns.

Multiple California 7-11? All those people dead.

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Guns don't kill Americans, Americans kill Americans.

And many Americans think it's not a good idea to restrict those people from getting guns.

Why is it Americans are such a murderous people? It's clearly not a gun problem, yet other countries have nothing like the murder rates America does. Why are Americans such bloodthirsty killers?

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Guns don't kill Americans, Americans kill Americans.

Who would ever think?

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Multiple California 7-11? All those people dead.

Well, if we're playing the 'states' game, in Houston, Texas (another constitutional carry state) last night, four people were killed after an argument at an apartment complex.

In most developed countries, words and insults would suffice, but in America it's handguns and hot lead.

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StrangerlandToday  01:10 pm JST

Guns don't kill Americans, Americans kill Americans.

And many Americans think it's not a good idea to restrict those people from getting guns.

Why is it Americans are such a murderous people? It's clearly not a gun problem, yet other countries have nothing like the murder rates America does. Why are Americans such bloodthirsty killers?

Compared to who? What is it like in your home country HK?

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The duration of a mass shooting always depends on the arrival of the second gun.

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Guns don't kill Americans, Americans kill Americans.

That is usually the case with most countries.

And many Americans think it's not a good idea to restrict those people from getting guns.

The law-abiding citizens no they shouldn't.

Why is it Americans are such a murderous people?

We are also the kindest people, no other country would take in millions without starting a civil war. We cloth, feed and give shelter to these people, even the illegals (which I don't support but still)

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I am kind if surprised at how few a number of firearms related homicides occur in the US considering the number of firearms, and demographics of the country as a whole.

The US isn't even in the top 25 for gun related homicides per 100 thousand people.

Something is working correctly in the US.

That's why a headline article like this portrays a rare event, and the emphasis is on the benefits of allowing law abiding citizens to practice a constitutionally protected right--carrying a firearm.

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The US isn't even in the top 25 for gun related homicides per 100 thousand people.

Except in the G7. All the countries above American gun homicides are like Mexico, Columbia, and third-world murderous countries. Nothing to boast about.

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Welcome to Red State America....

Where buying a gun us easier than buying a pack of cigarettes...

Where Drivers Ed is mandatory to operate a car but Firearms Ed is optional to carry a gun...

And where mass shootings are an everyday occurrence...

Utter craziness...

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> I am kind if surprised at how few a number of firearms related homicides occur in the US considering the number of firearms, and demographics of the country as a whole.

The US isn't even in the top 25 for gun related homicides per 100 thousand people.

Something is working correctly in the US.

That's why a headline article like this portrays a rare event, and the emphasis is on the benefits of allowing law abiding citizens to practice a constitutionally protected right--carrying a firearm.

Bingo!

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Just another day in the USA.

That an armed civilian shot the shooter will be a cue for the gun addicted to say "see, if everyone was armed this would have been over quickly" 

They never want to look at the problem of easy access to firearms, and deranged individuals having easy access to them.

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Among 64 high-income countries and territories, the United States stands out for its high levels of gun violence. The US ranks eighth out of 64 for homicides by firearm (age-adjusted). ​Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands, two US territories, rank first and third on that list. Firearm injuries tend to be more frequent in places where people have easy access to firearms, according to findings from the 2018 Global Burden of Disease study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA). 

https://www.healthdata.org/acting-data/gun-violence-united-states-outlier

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"An FBI analysis of 160 active shooter incidents from 2000–2013 found that active shooter incidents were rarely stopped by armed individuals who were not law enforcement returning fire. In fact, four times as many shootings were stopped by unarmed civilians restraining the shooter."

"No credible statistical evidence exists to show that permissive concealed carry laws reduce crime. Instead, the evidence suggests that laws that make it easier for more people to carry guns in public may actually increase the frequency of some types of violent crime, including gun homicides."

"States with higher rates of gun ownership have higher rates of gun death, confirming the commonsense conclusion that more guns create more opportunities for injury and death, not fewer."

https://giffords.org/blog/2020/10/the-good-guy-with-a-gun-myth/

Pretty obvious, really, unless you're in thrall to the faux masculinity of owning a high-powered assault rifle, or "owning the libs".

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