3 killed, 15 injured in shooting at California food festival; suspect dead

Add another place and/or event to the miserable list of mass U.S. shootings.

Some things never change.

Next, we can expect the usual pithy flood of "thoughts and prayers" remarks. But never any action to stop the carnage.

This tells you everything you need to know: you aren't even safe at a garlic festival. WAKE UP, AMERICA! Guns are in the hands of idiots and idiot politicians who refuse to control them. While garlic would keep Dracula away, it won't work against the NRA!

First off, my thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families.

(Seems like I am copying and pasting that quite regularly about news from the USA!)

America and its guns

what I dont understand is why people dont carry, and they become the 1st responder., then rush the shooter. FBI studies have shown this to be more effective than running. If you run from a predator in nature, it will chase you by instinct. An ankle holster with a snub nose .38, or whatever your choice of weapon, a little drop and roll, up and shoot action, and take out the shooter. It is what it is now; you dont need to go to Afghan to see combat. Would you take a pocket knife to combat? Id rather be prepared, and its your right.

TheLongTermerToday 01:45 pm JST

what I dont understand is why people dont carry, and they become the 1st responder., then rush the shooter. FBI studies have shown this to be more effective than running. If you run from a predator in nature, it will chase you by instinct. An ankle holster with a snub nose .38, or whatever your choice of weapon, a little drop and roll, up and shoot action, and take out the shooter. It is what it is now; you dont need to go to Afghan to see combat. Would you take a pocket knife to combat? Id rather be prepared, and its your right.

Because maybe real life is not like Hollywood movies ?

I aint relying on no 1st res ponder. Instead of watching the usual post event interview of everybody in shock, Id rather see people who reacted and coordinated their fire at the shooter. Locate, close with, and destroy the threat. aint no other way.

Because maybe real life is not like Hollywood movies ?

well that doesnt even make any sense. Your experiencing real life, in real time, right now. Another active shooting in California. Your telling me this is a movie?

Im up he sees me Im down, is what we learned in infantry training. Why not apply it in these situations?

Still waiting for a good approach to get guns out of the hands of criminals.

Places not to visit, North Korea, Syria, United States, Afghanistan, Congo, UAE, Sadi Arabia, Yemen, Somalia, Chechnya... there is probably more but USA is up there with the big players in public safety. You go team USA.

I understand that many people believe it is their right to arm themselves and that the government should not interfere with that; however, how many people need to be sacrificed before REAL gun reform is passed?

We now have an era with consistent mass shootings and not a single gun reform law has passed.

We are now at 246 mass shootings for the year. Most mass shootings happen with legally owned and legally purchased guns. Something needs to change to make it harder for the wrong people to own guns.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

Trump will become one of my favorite Presidents on a nonexistent list of favorite Presidents if he can get a single gun law passed.

TheLongTermer

FBI studies have shown this to be more effective than running

Citation: Needed.

google is your friend

how many people need to be sacrificed before REAL gun reform is passed?

why you need to wait on gun reform, which will never happen, to take action? why not exercise your right to bear arms and defend yourself?

Too bad you wernt there with your military training loaded to the teeth maybe a couple of desert eagles on your back you could have saved the day.

why need to be armed to the teeth? If you and I were both at the festival, both with concealed handguns, and both coordinated our fire at the shooters...or even better 10 armed and ready peace loving people with coordinated fires....now thats effective, because the shooters would be overwhelmed and confused. Power to the people, instead of idiot politicians, who will never pass anything or get anything done to protect you.

this story will go in one of several different directions once we find out who the shooter was. Until then, not much else to say other than its sad that you now need to be armed just to go to a garlic festival. Criminals just dont respect "gun free zones".

“A man’s rights rest in three boxes. The ballot-box, the jury-box, and the cartridge-box.”

Famous quote that I agree with.

why you need to wait on gun reform, which will never happen, to take action? why not exercise your right to bear arms and defend yourself?

Shooting a person or even drawing your gun on a person is not as easy as it sounds. Also, one of the first gun rules I learned when i got my hunting license in high school was only point a gun at something you fully intend to kill.

Also, I have kids so I don't believe in owning a gun. I don't want that added worry in my house when it comes to my children. Mistakes can happen and limiting the opportunity for those mistakes are things I want to accomplish.

In other incidents, it was a combination of actions by citizens and/or law enforcement that ended the shootings. In at least 65 (40.6%) of the 160 incidents, citizen engagement or the shooter committing suicide ended the shooting at the scene before law enforcement arrived. 

Its really just common sense. If there is a shooter (enemy) shooting at you, in a combat situation, do you eliminate the threat or do you hide and pray he wont actively seek out and kill you. Training provides us with the answer. To locate (sight) close with (engage) and destroy the enemy.

the first gun rules I learned when i got my hunting license in high school

Of course. Thats why they call it deadly force. So whats your point?

Yep as TheLongTermer said if everyone was armed and coordinate together as only absolute strangers can during a panic situation there would be no problem untill the police arrive and start shooting anybody who has a gun?

Nice logic, take a step back! If guns were limited and holders who had a better reason than they give me a hard on. Perhaps school children, festival lovers, film viewers, yoga people, people might not have to worry about being gunned down, then saved by another gun wielding nut who in turn gets gunned down by the police.

little hint limit guns and gun crime goes down!

little hint limit guns and gun crime goes down!

sorry friend, that train done gone and left. Your dream policy didnt work out too well in Chicago. There will be no gun reform because of the very simple fact, ant that very big elephant in the room; the 2nd. Agreed, its a flaw in our constitution, but the only work around is for the citizen to exercise his or her very precious right and arm themselves. Im Im packing and I hear shots, I feel its an obligation to eliminate the threat, not run away.

Where Im from, not too many shootings because everybody got something on the rack either in the house or truck, and there is vigilante justice, well at least there was.

Gilroy is nearMonterey

My thoughts are that Trump and Senate Republicans will do nothing, and my prayers are that they will be voted out of office come 2020.

Just another day in yeehaw 'Merka.

This tells you everything you need to know: you aren't even safe at a garlic festival. WAKE UP, AMERICA! Guns are in the hands of idiots and idiot politicians who refuse to control them.

As I have always said, we need to re-open mental asylums, we have enough gun laws on the books, won’t do a darn thing.

While garlic would keep Dracula away, it won't work against the NRA!

What???

Gilroy is close to my daughter's college in Monterey. She often goes shopping there as the town has outlets. I'd rather that she not be stuck in the crossfire of a bunch of yahoos with guns.

“Why are you doing this?" and the reply: "Because I'm really angry."

Lots of angry people over there...............and getting angrier by the day!

Why can't guns be banned. I mean it would be difficult to ban guns nationwide but why not start smaller. Can't mayors issue a ban on guns in their city? If the mayor of new york said: 'from today, guns are banned in New York city', is that even possible? Small steps.

what I dont understand is why people dont carry, and they become the 1st responder., then rush the shooter. FBI studies have shown this to be more effective than running. If you run from a predator in nature, it will chase you by instinct. An ankle holster with a snub nose .38, or whatever your choice of weapon, a little drop and roll, up and shoot action, and take out the shooter. It is what it is now; you dont need to go to Afghan to see combat. Would you take a pocket knife to combat? Id rather be prepared, and its your right.

So, what you are saying is that America is so dangerous that private individuals need to go around armed and ready to respond? Really? The best way to respond to the rise of mass shootings is MORE GUNS? Are you mad?

You take away the legally held firearms (unless held in sports clubs or farmers), so that any other weapons out there are held illegally. You arrest anyone found carrying and destroy their weapons. You introduce strong firearms laws and you will reduce the number of mass shootings in America.

Im packing and I hear shots, I feel its an obligation to eliminate the threat

And the instant you start waving your gun around, you become part of the threat. How do others with the same outlook as you know that you're one of the good guys? They don't. You're as likely to get 'eliminated' by a Good Guy as the Bad Guy is.

If you and I were both at the festival, both with concealed handguns, and both coordinated our fire at the shooters...or even better 10 armed and ready peace loving people with coordinated fires....now thats effective, because the shooters would be overwhelmed and confused

Everyone would be confused.

Put away your John Wayne swagger and think about it seriously: someone starts shooting at a crowded festival, ten 'armed and ready peace loving people' pull out their guns, look around and see... ten people all pointing guns. Which one is the perp, and which ones are the 'peace-loving' people? You don't know. You have a one in ten chance of getting yourself shot. Shorter odds if the police show up and decide not to ask any questions until all the threats have been eliminated.

Horrible but not unexpected when the gun humpers hold political sway.

we need to re-open mental asylums

And who is going to pay for that? TrumpCare?

Mass Shootings in America. Mass stabbings in Japan. It will continue to happen until Mental Health issues are taken seriously and treated properly.

If I was American and at the festival I would have had my gun with me and could have shot him! That is the rhetoric coming from all pro-gun Americans. The only flaw in that logic is, the festival was a gun free zone, so you would not have had your gun with you. Australia had a mass-shooting in the early 90's that killed 38 people. As a result, the government launched the gun buy-back program and destroyed millions of guns leaving only a select few with gun ownership rights. Since that time there has been two mass shootings in Australia with a total death toll of 11 people. One shooting was a father who killed his family and himself (6 people). Please tell me again how control does not work.

@Longtermer,

agreed!

I wish everyone would just stop with the gun argument. It could have been a terrorist attack since the gunman has not been identified. Anyone hell-bent on killing can use a number of ways -- like gasoline -- 34 people died here in minutes because some nut-job had a bone to pick with an anime company -- should we ban the purchase of gasoline put in containers now...

@bas4f As I have always said, we need to re-open mental asylums, we have enough gun laws on the books, won’t do a darn thing.

The above quote another variation of thoughts and prayers. Certain posters say this each time there's a report of another gun murder, but do nothing about it. They're also the ones who want government spending cut ,unless it's for the military or to provide even more entitlements to corporations and the .01%.

I have no idea how mental tests to determine who should be denied the wrong to buy a gun would look like. But I'd start by asking how many guns a person already has. If they have more than a couple, or own bump stocks or semi-automatic weapons, that would be an instant red flag. To me that's a sign of mental/emotional instability.

And I'd ask questions to see if this person suffered from OCD or some other anxiety disorder. A gun carrier with OCD is a very high risk person. They're too easily triggered.

@vernonwatts I wish everyone would just stop with the gun argument

For me that will never happen. The sound of a sucking chest wound once heard never goes away. Memories of attending funerals and services for friend's killed by someone with a gun never go away.

So few guns is one of the many reasons I enjoy living in Japan.

Put away your John Wayne swagger and think about it seriously: someone starts shooting at a crowded festival, ten 'armed and ready peace loving people' pull out their guns, look around and see... ten people all pointing guns.

They won’t, not if they want to go to jail or carry with you. California is not State to carry a firearm in the open and on you. You need a special license “concealed or open carry” or if you do carry it without a license and use it, you will be looking at and up to 10 years in prison.

California-Open carry legal in rural counties with local ordinances allowing open carry. Some of these counties issue a permit for open carry. Additionally, a person may also open carry if he or she "reasonably believes that any person or the property of any person is in immediate, grave danger and that the carrying of the weapon is necessary for the preservation of that person or property. One can expect to be detained and questioned by law enforcement in most urban areas if using the latter rationale as the basis for openly carrying a firearm in public.

Which one is the perp, and which ones are the 'peace-loving' people? You don't know.

But that kind of scenario doesn’t usually play out like that.

You have a one in ten chance of getting yourself shot. Shorter odds if the police show up and decide not to ask any questions until all the threats have been eliminated.

Again, it doesn’t usually happen like that.

Horrible but not unexpected when the gun humpers hold political sway.

Even if you have a radical socialist in office, none of these Democrats would ever touch the 2nd amendment, if they did, they’d be a one term President, I don’t have a single doubt about it.

There are not enough trained people to decide which gun owners have mental problems

All the more reason to have mental asylums like we used to have. Any person deemed to mentally unfit or a danger would be denied to owning or purchasing a legal firearm.

Guns out of control. Thank you Japan for keeping us safe.

All the more reason to have mental asylums like we used to have.

With TrumpCare? Who will pay for these?

Any person deemed to mentally unfit or a danger would be denied to owning or purchasing a legal firearm.

You can't do that.

There are not enough trained people to decide which gun owners have mental problems

S'easy. Anyone who wants to own a gun has a mental problem.

California is not State to carry a firearm in the open and on you

So you agree that LongTermer is indulging in dangerous daydreams of being the Good Guy With a Gun Who Saves the Day. Not often you and I agree.

But that kind of scenario doesn’t usually play out like that.

How does it usually play out?

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Which one is the perp, and which ones are the 'peace-loving' people? You don't know.

@bas4f But that kind of scenario doesn’t usually play out like that.

Someone's never been in a classroom, movie theater, at a concert, in a church when that's happened. Someone doesn't understand fire fights. And no, I won't believe. you..

As I have always said, we need to re-open mental asylums, we have enough gun laws on the books, won’t do a darn thing.

And then you do some research:

https://www.oregonlive.com/business/2019/07/fewer-children-die-from-gun-violence-in-states-with-tougher-gun-laws-study-finds.html

All the more reason to have mental asylums like we used to have. Any person deemed to mentally unfit or a danger would be denied to owning or purchasing a legal firearm.

Since we still have psychiatric wards, what you're proposing is lowering the threshold for involuntary commitments. Your idea is to deprive others of their liberty just so you can way too easily own a firearm.

I wish everyone would just stop with the gun argument. It could have been a terrorist attack since the gunman has not been identified. Anyone hell-bent on killing can use a number of ways -- like gasoline -- 34 people died here in minutes because some nut-job had a bone to pick with an anime company -- should we ban the purchase of gasoline put in containers now...

Well, Vern, this is an absolutely false equivalency. Ask yourself two very sim Le questions that any junior high school student can answer:

( 1 ) What is the utility beyond killing of the object you are claiming is as effective at killing as a firearm?

( 2 ) Does that utility outweigh the possible negative externalities of the object?

Do I need to walk you unreasonable, ignorant gun-nutters through this?

Someone's never been in a classroom, movie theater, at a concert, in a church when that's happened. Someone doesn't understand fire fights. And no, I won't believe. you..

Agreed 100%.

Maybe we can be told again how someone that has never ever worn a uniform has "served our country."

One of the gun nuts here on the site the other day tried to make some weird logic how it must suck to be so afraid to live without guns.

I wonder if the people at the garlic festival were less scared than I am without a gun here in Japan.

Im up he sees me Im down, is what we learned in infantry training. Why not apply it in these situations?

Youre suggesting everyone go through combat training so they can feel safe at the movies, music festivals, school, etc. Yeah, that's conpletely reasonable.

Every gun should be thrown in the trash.

Every gun should be thrown in the trash.

I agree, with the exception of those needed for military and police services. I wonder whether the gun owners reading that, particularly those who are collectors suffering from OCD, will get triggered.

Someone's never been in a classroom, movie theater, at a concert, in a church when that's happened. Someone doesn't understand fire fights. And no, I won't believe. you..

Which is your prerogative. But as facts are concerned, it hasn’t really happened like that, generally speaking.

Read another liberal progressive paper that has always been anti-gun? No thank you. The nutty sister State to California.

https://amgreatness.com/2018/03/01/forget-gun-control-bring-back-mental-hospitals/

Since we need more asylums and better mental care, this would seriously and greatly reduce the mentally challenged people from obtaining a firearm.

what you're proposing is lowering the threshold for involuntary commitments.

No, I do not, I’m proposing for stricter screening and stringent evaluation in determining the mental threat and once that has been established, then to proceed with the adequate care..

Your idea is to deprive others of their liberty

If you are a mental and possible threat to yourself and society and cannot understand the difference between right and wrong, then as a responsible society we should intervene and take the appropriate action necessary.

just so you can way too easily own a firearm.

No, I have the legal right and by the constitution to own a firearm.

@bas4f No, I do not, I’m proposing for stricter screening 

Good to hear you've changed your mind on that. Would stricter screening include determining if the buyer already owned guns, how many they owned, if they owned semi-automatic weapons, bump stocks (which Trump says are bad). If so, I'd screen them out because they could well be unstable.

Would the screening ask if the buyer suffers from OCD, has some anxiety issues, etc. A gun collector with OCD could be easily triggered, a danger to all, including his family.

No, I have the legal right and by the constitution to own a firearm.

Me too, I have a Rheinmetall MG 3

If you are a mental and possible threat to yourself and society and cannot understand the difference between right and wrong, then as a responsible society we should intervene and take the appropriate action necessary.

How so, exactly?

S'easy. Anyone who wants to own a gun has a mental problem.

That’s ok, they would be wrong.

So you agree that LongTermer is indulging in dangerous daydreams of being the Good Guy With a Gun Who Saves the Day. Not often you and I agree.

No, It’s different, it’s just as a former CA. resident, you can’t just buy a gun and strap it and use it whenever you want. No one is indulging themselves or getting a thrill or kick. Cops catch you with a gun, it’s over. In a case like what happened in Gilroy if a chaos like that breaks out, the only people that would use their firearm would be someone licensed to do so.

5 members from Takko were there, but fortunately they did not attend that day. Many people around here were very concerned. I think this might be the last time for a while that they will attend!

Good to hear you've changed your mind on that.

For stricter mental screening? I have always been consistent.

Would stricter screening include determining if the buyer already owned guns, how many they owned, if they owned semi-automatic weapons, bump stocks

Yes. It it turns out to be determined they could be a potential threat to society.

Would the screening ask if the buyer suffers from OCD, has some anxiety issues, etc. A gun collector with OCD could be easily triggered, a danger to all, including his family.

Ok, now we are really stepping out of the realm of reality....

And where is the news about the 1 guy killed and 12 injured in the Brooklyn shooting yesterday too?

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/28/us/nyc-brownsville-brooklyn-shooting/index.html

Right, it's New York!...(sarcasm...)

For stricter mental screening? I have always been consistent.

For all gun buyers? They should get a medical certificate from a doctor before they can buy a gun? That's how they do it in Japan.

And where is the news about the 1 guy killed and 12 injured in the Brooklyn shooting yesterday too?

https://japantoday.com/category/world/police-1-dead-11-others-shot-near-brooklyn-playground

One of the gun nuts here on the site the other day tried to make some weird logic how it must suck to be so afraid to live without guns.

Saw that. Reminded me of the time when a "resident" claimed he traveled on public transport, here, tooled up.

We must never allow the US gun disease to take hold in our beloved Japan.

Put away your John Wayne swagger and think about it seriously: someone starts shooting at a crowded festival, ten 'armed and ready peace loving people' pull out their guns, look around and see... ten people all pointing guns.

@bass4funk - They won’t, not if they want to go to jail or carry with you. California is not State to carry a firearm in the open and on you. You need a special license “concealed or open carry” or if you do carry it without a license and use it, you will be looking at and up to 10 years in prison.

So, please answer my question Bass4funk. Why do you need to own or carry a gun?

Read another liberal progressive paper that has always been anti-gun? No thank you. The nutty sister State to California.

Yeah, just dismiss the facts you don't like as coming from a liberal source. Never mind there was an actual study done. More bad faith.

> No, I do not, I’m proposing for stricter screening and stringent evaluation in determining the mental threat and once that has been established, then to proceed with the adequate care..

You're prooosing firearms control. Everyone gets a mental health screen before being able to purchase a firearm.

If you are a mental and possible threat to yourself and society and cannot understand the difference between right and wrong, then as a responsible society we should intervene and take the appropriate action necessary.

We already do when there is reason to believe someone is a threat to society. You're suggesting that either everyone undergoes mental health screening at various times (an infringement on your liberty) or that people undergo mental health screening before they purchase a firearm (gun control).

No, I have the legal right and by the constitution to own a firearm.

Have you undergone a mental health screening?

Ok, now we are really stepping out of the realm of reality....

And then you do cursory research. More bad faith.

please answer my question Bass4funk. Why do you need to own or carry a gun?

Something something liberals etc

Or garlic is some kind of threat.

Hmmm... Biannual mental health screening and social network/online correspondence analysis for anyone who is a registered gun owner.

I have always been consistent.

Hmmmm.

We must never allow the US gun disease to take hold in our beloved Japan.

Japan is a different country, they have their own rules and laws and if you are a gun enthusiast or holder like I am, it’s fine and I can live without hunting until I’m back in the States. But I don’t want any one trying to take in my beloved country my 2nd amendment rights away.

I feel its an obligation to eliminate the threat, not run away.

Be sure to have your gun in your hand when the cops arrive to an active shooter scene.

Next, we can expect the usual pithy flood of "thoughts and prayers" remarks. But never any action to stop the carnage

Actually, many people say the same as you but most don't do anything but leave a comment on the internet. If people want to make change, they need to stand up to the government like other countries. Not thousands doing a little street march holding little signs but millions of people that don't budge until something is done.