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3 Pakistani men arrested over Times Square bomb plot

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This has to be totally coincidental. There is no way they can be connected. How can authorities do such blatant profiling of these individuals. Give them compensation money and settle them back in their muslim paradise. This should make sure we don't make any more terrorists!

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What profiling? Read the article, they're being investigated due to evidence, and even then they're not being charged with any terrorist attempts because they're still being considered innocent until proven guilty. Can't blame the US for not catching people before they commit crimes and then blame them for investigating people attached to a crime on the other hand.

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The article says they were arrested over immigration violations, not the bomb plot. They're being investigated for the bomb plot.

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I suppose all the anti-Arizona folks here would prefer that these three were not held at all for immigration violations.

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I suppose all the anti-Arizona folks here would prefer that these three were not held at all for immigration violations.

Why would they care, these people are accused of committing crimes, of which the police assumptive had enough evidence to get an arrest warrant for. A little different then walking down a street and having to prove you didn't commit a crime by presenting your ID.

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Good_Jorb at 10:50 PM JST - 14th May Why would they care, these people are accused of committing crimes, of >which the police assumptive had enough evidence to get an arrest warrant >for. A little different then walking down a street and having to prove >you didn't commit a crime by presenting your ID.

Same thing in Arizona. You don't get stopped while walking down the street doing nothing. You get stopped for crimes and your immigration status gets checked out unlike before. What's the difference?

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You get stopped for crimes and your immigration status gets checked out unlike before. What's the difference?

Being an illegal immigrant is a crime, ergo, if the police believe you to be an illegal immigrant (criminal), then they will ask you to present your ID. The problem is the only really evidence of being an illegal immigrant is the lack of having a proper ID. In the case of the Pakistani guys, they probable have a paper trail showing money being transfer to the bomber.

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Good_Jorb at 12:35 AM JST - 15th May Being an illegal immigrant is a crime, ergo, if the police believe you >to be an illegal immigrant (criminal), then they will ask you to present >your ID. The problem is the only really evidence of being an illegal >immigrant is the lack of having a proper ID.

This is the fallacy that has been spread by the anti-Arizona law crowd. In the real world Police don't have the time to be stopping people who are doing nothing illegal. The application of the Arizona law will be exactly like this FBI bust, criminal suspects that are apprehended and their illegal immigration status comes up.

In the case of the Pakistani guys, they probable have a paper trail >showing money being transfer to the bomber.

I'm sure they do. And any other criminals in Arizona who leave a paper trail showing money being transfered to a terrorist will be held on violations of immigration laws, just like this article. The only differnce is that local, county and Arizona state police as well as the Arizona Bureau of Invesigations will ber able to hold suspects on immigration law violations.

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This is the fallacy that has been spread by the anti-Arizona law crowd. In the real world Police don't have the time to be stopping people who are doing nothing illegal.

How is it a fallacy? The law -requires- police officers to question the validity of someones citizenship if "reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States". The police are required by law to ask them. Had the Pakistani men been walking around in Arizona, in wouldn't be a stretch that by their appearance alone some police would think that had reasonable suspicion to assume that they were illegals weather or not they had just financed a terrorist bombing.

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Good_Jorb at 01:20 AM JST - 15th May How is it a fallacy? The law -requires- police officers to question the >validity of someones citizenship if "reasonable suspicion exists that >the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States".

Because in the real life world police don't have the time or resources to be stopping anyone for no reason other than a "reasonable suspicion". The "reasonable suspicion" would arise in the course of normal law enforcement duties. A person gets pulled over for a traffic violation, can not produce a D/L and barely speaks English. Is there reasonable suspciopn? Yes. An unmarked van is in an accident and 10 people of all ages run out the back in all directions. Is there a reasonable suspicion? Yes. A man is driving a car normally right past a police cruiser. Is there resonable suspecion? No. The fallacy I speak of is the misguided belief that law ewnforcement offcers have nothing better to do than to watch people doing nothing in partiucular looking for some way to stretch the meaning of "resonable suspicion".

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Precaution is better then cure. The police are just doing their duty. Theres no space to feel humilitation for the suspect.

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First off they are holding those men on immigration charges because after they do that they can ask them about anything......like what connections do you have to terrorist..

Immigration issue. Its not a issue, arizona has instituted its own law which is pretty much a copy of an existing federal law. And when you have gangs coming over the border killing entire families maybe THEN you are allowed to really critisize them.

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The "reasonable suspicion" would arise in the course of normal law enforcement duties.

Yes, but normal seems to be targeting some visible minorities a lot more often than Caucasians. In Toronto, an investigation of the Toronto Star daily newspaper found that black people across Toronto were three times more likely to be stopped and documented by police than white people.

A study in the city of Kingston, Ontario, a small city where most of the inhabitants are white showed that black skinned people were 3.7 times more likely to be pulled over by police than white skinned people, while Asian people were less likely to be pulled over than whites or blacks.

Normal seems to differ according to the colour of your skin. Good Jorb is right about being an illegal immigrant becoming a criminal act. Police officers will have to check anyone they suspect of being an illegal. They'll use a person's appearance most likely (It's what they already do in Toronto and Kingston apparently). Do you really think Arizona will be different?

If you use information to identify a specific suspect according to a given description for a specific crime, it's not racial profiling but what Arizona is trying to implement is tantamount to racial profiling.

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Please, you're still trying to link this to the Arizona illegal immigration "rights". These men were not arrested because of racial profiling, no matter how much you want to insist they were.

Here's some news for you, racial profiling by law enforcement is just the same as it was before in the US just a lot less noticable. I'm black and even though I'm not living in Arizona, where do you want me to start on how many times I've been stopped or "shadowed" by police cars??? At least shadowed 20+ times and stopped at least 7 times over my lifetime. Of all those times you know how many times I've been arrested? 0! Why? Because they've never ever found any just cause to arrest me. One thing I've learned is that most people that are doing something illegal will usually start hauling arse to get away from being arrested or act irrationally under pressure.

These men were arrested under suspicion of breaking immigration laws which was started mostly due to evidence linking them to a person that was accused of a serious crime, not because they were Pakistani.

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Why is there no mandatory death penalty for terrorists proven to actually be terrorists? Beats me.

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