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3-year-old boy shoots, kills 1-year-old boy in Ohio

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Guns dont kill people, 3 year olds kill people.

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Everyone who thinks having the country awash with guns is a Gawd-gibbun raht is responsible for the death of that baby.

Poor little tyke never had a chance, born into a crazy house.

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Another NRA victory.

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The 1-year old must have been a criminal. Because, only criminals get shot.

Or is that the 3-year old must be a criminal? I don't think they give permits to 3-year olds, so he must have stolen it, after all an accident like this couldn't happen with a legal gun.

I guess they were both criminals.

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ive had many a fight with Amercians saying...WE have the right to bear arms. but the problem is stories like this.. I dont hear of these types of stories in japan or australia etc... Just Ban em...

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There have been recent public announcements about telling idiot gun owners to lock up their gun for the past month. And then I see this story here... And I know all the "responsible" gun owners keep saying how only criminals and bad people do bad things with guns. Never mind the majority of gun advocates would easily leave any weapon they own laying around the house and then wonder why oh why things like this happen.

I personally don't believe guns should be completely banned (I like the idea of hunting in the great outdoors, and actually having the option to own one for home defense), but the regulations don't seem high enough for idiots to qualify for one. Thank you NRA.

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pfff why would anyone blame it on guns? it obviously has to do with pop culture and violent movies

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Growing up in the U.S. and hearing about kids "accidentally" shooting themselves or other kids with their father's gun, this story is hardly a surprise anymore even if the kid is 3.

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3-year-old boy accidentally shoots, kills 1-year-old boy in Ohio

Or

parent accidentally shots 1 year old and blames it on 3 year old

Or

World focuses on shot 1 year old as US bombs are killing hundreds everyday

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If the one-year-old also had access to a gun this never would have happened!

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"The 1 year old should have had a gun. Then the 3 year old would have thought twice about shooting."

Sigh.

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Just horrible. Not the first, not the second, not the third and definitely not the last. Don't expect anything to change. Another child sacr

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Peter Payne: You DO realize that anyone posting something along the lines of what you quoted is without a doubt being sarcastic, do you not?

Barely any of the true gun-nutters have bothered to come onto this thread to comment -- they know the usual BS arguments, such as those posted sarcastically by many above, simply does not fly. They know they cannot defend the fact that this child is dead because of moronic gun laws and pushes by the NRA to have guns in everyone's homes.

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The statistics are out there: Twice as many kids are killed by guns each year than by cancer; over 7,000 children are hospitalized or killed due to gun violence every year; children in a household with guns are more than twice as likely to be shot than on-duty policemen.

The NRA, or course, recommends that guns be stored unloaded and in a locked container when children are in the house, and then goes on to frighten Americans into gun ownership in ways that completely invalidate the former advice. The NRA is also vehemently against gun hardware that would inactivate a weapon when not in its owner's hands.

It is unfortunate that Darwin Awards are not applicable in cases where parents' stupidity kills their offspring. Many say that the parents of children killed in such accidents have been punished enough. Bollocks. Charge them with accessory to manslaughter and jail them for at least five years. That might wake up other idiot parents.

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RIP little 1 year old kid born in messed up part of town.

Messed up part of the world.

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I meant to say another child sacrificed in the name of the sick gun culture.

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If you are a hunter, it is easy to heed the warnings to lock up your guns, but if you have a handgun for 'protection,' an unloaded, locked up gun is useless. The advice for these folks would be to keep them well out of reach of children. My father was a hunter. He had a long barrel pistol shotgun, if you can picture that. In junior high school, I remember showing it to a friend of mine while my father was at work. Luckily he had the sense to put a trigger lock on it and to hide the keys. Even by 3 years old, something like a gun looks awfully tempting to play with.

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Let us now use NRA logic here. If there was a good guy there with a gun he would have shot dead the three year old before he could shoot the one year old.

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Unlike in Canada, there is no law in America that gun owners need to properly store their firearms. And if anyone ever proposed one it would be shot down by the NRA. (pun intended).

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These are the kinds of deaths that need to stop, but it's so hard since guns are everywhere and gun supporters will tell you that this is all acceptable collateral damage.

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And I am sure we can all agree that the degree of fire power your average schlub can and is packing has nothing, nothing, to do with the jittery, hair-triggeredness of our police.

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If you don't lockup your firearms in a house with children you can expect incidents like this. Lock your guns up people, especially if you have children in the house.

The statistics are out there: Twice as many kids are killed by guns each year than by cancer; over 7,000 children are hospitalized or killed due to gun violence every year; children in a household with guns are more than twice as likely to be shot than on-duty policemen.

Lets put those statistics into context. Cancer is primarily a disease of the elderly which means the number of children that die from cancer is extremely low, for example more children die by Alcohol than are killed by cancer. The over 7000 children are hospitialzied due to gun shots includes 18 and 19 year olds who are not children, to further put that number into context over 190,000 "children", 0-20 year olds, are hospitalized due to Alcohol and over 4,500 die by Alcohol and yet everyone here would agree that the above figures are an acceptable cost so that Alcohol remains legal to consume for recreational purposes.

I'm not finding any source for the claim that a child is twice as likely to be shot than a police officer. Where did you get that claim from?

The NRA is also vehemently against gun hardware that would inactivate a weapon when not in its owner's hands.

The NRA is against laws that mandate that all firearms contain hardware that inactivate a weapon when not in the owners hands mainly because they are prototypes, until the technology moves out of prototype stage and goes through several generations of engineering in real world use then and only then will they entertain the idea of having a law that mandates all firearms contain such hardware. For example ABS went through at least six engineering generations before becoming standard on cars. If you want such technology on the retail market than repeal the law in New Jersey.

These are the kinds of deaths that need to stop but it's so hard since guns are everywhere and gun supporters will tell you that this is all acceptable collateral damage.

You will be happy to know that those kinds of deaths are on the downward trend, they will tell you that it is an acceptable collateral damage if the alternative is a prohibition.

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Guns are not the pleasures of life, they are the bringers of death.

That was a logic failure.

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Guns are not the pleasures of life, they are the bringers of death. That was a logic failure.

For a lot of people firearms are exclusively used for recreation and those activities are part of the pleasures of life, plus not all firearms are designed to kill people nor does it mean that something that is designed to kill people or animals does not have other non-killing uses nor does it mean those non-killing uses will not be the predominant use of the product.

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For a lot of people firearms are exclusively used for recreation

Until a 3-year old shoots a 1-year old in the face.

not all firearms are designed to kill people

Guns don't kill. Yeah, right. You realize when people talk about guns, they aren't talking about BB guns, right?

Any argument used to justify gun ownership just shows that the person making the argument is dumb as fuk.

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Until a 3-year old shoots a 1-year old in the face.

Right, the good news is that the vast vast vast majority of gun owners that own them for recreation will be able to go their entire lives without having a single person killed or wounded.

Guns don't kill. Yeah, right.

Not all firearms are designed to kill people, for example the marlin model 60 is not designed to kill people and in fact I don't believe there is even a single record of the rifle killing a person in the USA.

You realize when people talk about guns, they aren't talking about BB guns

You do realize I used the term firearm, a BB gun isn't a firearm.

Any argument used to justify gun ownership just shows that the person making the argument is dumb as fuk.

No it does not.

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Sane people should simply reply to these events with:

"I blame the NRA."

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Noliving: Right, the good news is that the vast vast vast majority of gun owners that own them for recreation will be able to go their entire lives without having a single person killed or wounded.

And, for others, their kids will get shot in the face. Or shot at school.

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Aren't Guns supposed to be fitted with trigger guards and also loaded firearms shouldn't no be left lying around.

Parents should need to retake their a firearm Safety course and need to reapply for their licences.

Back in my country fairly easy to get a licence for home defence but can't carry in public. Gun and bullets need to be stored separate, Said that all males over 18 do military service where those things get drilled into us.

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First, nobody seems to know where this gun came from. Was it the family's? Was it the mother's boyfriend's? That's the first question that needs to be answered.

Second, the NRA defenders who are SMART have been keeping quiet for a reason. Nothing they say right now is going to help their cause.

True then and still true today:

Handguns are made for killing. Ain't no good for nothing else.

"Saturday Night Special" - Lynard Skynard

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And, for others, their kids will get shot in the face. Or shot at school.

Yes, so this gets to the question of balance. How many people have to use/own firearms for non-malicious reasons to outweigh the cost. Currently right now it is estimated that around 32-50% of American adults own a firearm, the current grand total death rate is 10 per 100,000 or 0.0001%, it is estimated that around ~20 per 100,000 are wounded by firearms. So the grand total casualty rate is 30 per 100,000 or 0.0003%.

So being conservative on how many people own a firearm that means 32% of American adults own a firearm and that ownership results in 0.0003%, or three ten thousandths of one percent, of the American population being killed or wounded by firearms on an annual basis.

If we are talking about children, in the age range of 0-14, firearms are not even in the top 15 causes of death in the USA.

Grade school homicides of students on school grounds by all weapon types are around 11 per year in the USA and there are around 3 suicides. So the homicide rate of grade school children in the USA is 0.02 per 100,000, which is basically the same homicide rate of the UK grade school students murdered on school grounds in the UK. Keep in mind that if we are going by per capita rates that one student death in the UK is equal to five student deaths in the USA.

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10 per 100,000 or 0.0001%

That should be 0.01%, shouldn't it?

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Unlike in Canada, there is no law in America that gun owners need to properly store their firearms. And if anyone ever proposed one it would be shot down by the NRA. (pun intended).

Short and Bitter,

That's not entirely correct. While it's true that there is no Child Access Prevention law at the Federal level, twenty eight states have them on their books. Fifteen of those states impose criminal penalties specifically for negligent storage.

So believe me there are plenty of laws concerning proper storage of firearms in America.

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Noliving: Yes, so this gets to the question of balance.

Yes. You have to balance the situations of children getting shot in the face with the overall benefits of guns. As of now, the numbers look pretty good, right?

So what would you do to decrease the overall number of these incidents?

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That should be 0.01%, shouldn't it?

Maybe 0.001%. Either way it is one ten thousandth of one percent.

Yes. You have to balance the situations of children getting shot in the face with the overall benefits of guns. As of now, the numbers look pretty good, right?

Ya the numbers look very good, for example more children between the ages of 5-14 die by bicycle accidents than by firearms. The truth of the matter is that in terms of numbers the only thing unusual about firearms deaths compared to other accidental deaths regarding children is that they are more sensational.

So what would you do to decrease the overall number of these incidents?

Well seeing as the number of incidents is decreasing already I don't see the need to provide any additional recommendations.

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