39 truck death victims in UK were all from China

A terrible way to die for these poor people. Now one would think they came from the poorest nation in the world. But the truth is that they came from the second biggest and powerful economy on the planet. What is it about China that people will take such risks to live somewhere else? Perhaps Akie can enlighten me?

@OssanAmerica

According to Gallup International, 33% of Britons want to leave their country, which is the highest in the developed world. Even higher than less developed countries like Romania. Quote from the Gallup survey:

"one in three Britons say they would like to leave their country permanently if they had the opportunity. Britons, in fact, are among the most likely in the European Union to say they would like to move, sharing the top spot with Romanians - 31%".

What is it about Britain that people will do anything to leave the country permanently? Perhaps Jimizo can enlighten us.

Also, according to another Gallup Survey that ranks the Tops Desired Destination Countries for Immigrants, the US is by far the top desired destination, the distant second is Canada, and UK and France share a 3rd place. Here is quote from the report:

The United States is the top desired destination country for the 700 million adults who would like to relocate permanently to another country. Nearly one-quarter (24%) of these respondents, which translates to more than 165 million adults worldwide, name the United States as their desired future residence. With an additional estimated 45 million saying they would like to move to Canada, Northern America is one of the two most desired regions.

The rest of the top desired destination countries (those where an estimated 25 million or more adults would like to go) are predominantly European. Forty-five million adults who would like to move name the United Kingdom or France as their desired destination, while 35 million would like to go to Spain and 25 million would like to relocate to Germany. Thirty million name Saudi Arabia and 25 million name Australia.

The most logical conclusion of this survey is that, people who speak English want to move to an English speaking country, the US and Canada being their top destinations. If they can't find a way to cross the ocean, England is the second best option since it's nearby and easier to get to. On the other hand, people who speak French would like to move to a French speaking country, hence why most immigrants to France are from their former French speaking colonies. Most immigrants to Spain are from Latin America for the same reason, the language.

While few countries speak German, Germany is likely seen as the best option for those who speak neither English nor French. Germany ranks 2nd after the US for foreign-born population with over 12 million. Russia ranks 3rd, likely because of the Russian speakers from central Asia. UK ranks 5th.

When it comes to the Chinese citizens from this article, nobody knows yet what exactly has happened. It is not known whether they were even trying to illegally get to England, or maybe they were forced for other reasons. We don't know. We can only speculate. China is arguably better off economically than England for low skilled people, and more developed countries like Japan, South Korea, Singapore and Australia are much closer to China than England. So it doesn't make much sense for a Chinese to go through all this just to immigrate to England to get a low skilled job, when they can do that in their own country, or immigrate to Japan where they are actively seeking low skilled labor at the moment, or maybe try SK, Singapore or Australia. But again, nobody knows what happened yet.

I am just putting these numbers out there for perspective. It's really sad and pathetic when nationalists use this tragedy as a way to boost and reinforce their superiority complex. Hundreds of people from Africa die every year trying to get to Italy, but you don't see Italian nationalists boosting how great they are because there are people wanting to escape to their country. Virtually all of the Middle Eastern refugees want to go to Germany, going as far as chanting " we want Germany", but you don't see any nationalistic boosting from Germans about how superior and great they are because desperate and poor people want to move to their country. You only see that kind of pathetic chauvinistic boosting from English nationalists. See the comments on the previous article for reference.

Bulgarian people smugglers

Bulgaria is well known for truly sick people smugglers.

Even hardened police officers were shocked by what they saw. People smugglers should get life with no parole.

Many EU trucking businesses actually incorporate in Bulgaria because it's a cost-effective place to get an EU-wide transport licence. The registration is just done on paper. The truck and the 39 victims have likely never been to Bulgaria, and there doesn't seem to be any evidence of who the smugglers are (if any). The owner of the registered company/truck is an Irish citizen according to the Bulgarian records.

Regardless of who owns the truck or trailer, there are many hundreds of similar attempts every day across France and Belgium by migrants trying to sneak into trailers headed for the UK. In the majority of cases, the drivers have absolutely no idea that migrants are hiding in their trailers. Unless more incriminating evidence comes to light, I have nothing but sympathy for the driver who's been arrested and had his name and face plastered all over the media.

It never ceases to amaze me what humans are capable of doing to one another.

While normally I'm set against capital punishment, in the case of human smugglers, I'd be willing to change my views.

@zichi

Those are all good points and this does seem to be a more organised attempt. It will be interesting to see the evidence and where it leads.

@zichi - I wouldn't be too sure about the Truck driver...

In June 2000, the bodies of 58 Chinese immigrants were found in the back of a shipping container in the English port city of Dover. The following year, a Dutch driver was sentenced to 14 years in jail for manslaughter

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/discovery-39-bodies-essex-lorry-20706608

@ilovecoffee

According to Gallup International, 33% of Britons want to leave their country, which is the highest in the developed world. Even higher than less developed countries like Romania.

So you're just going to leave out that there's a huge difference between wanting to leave your home and risking death being smuggled out of a country.

33% of Britons don't want to risk their lives hiding in a shipping container to leave their country, they would just like to live somewhere else.

The truck driver is not involved. He is the one who phoned 999 emergency services when he open the container.

The driver is still liable, under English law, even if he wasn't complicit, for helping the smugglers as they are responsible for whatever their lorries bring into the UK. If he did know then he should be charged with murder.

Those poor people. Once again, it's the marginalized who suffer and perish. Their only crime is seeking a better life away from their despicable government.

Although we don't know for sure yet, but if these people were from Fujian, then rest assured that snakeheads, who are gangs that are known human traffickers in the province, are involved with their counterparts in Europe. Another question is whether the victims paid good money for it (albeit, tricked), if they were escaping from persecution of some sorts, or if they were taken against their own will.

As an exlorry driver I can tell you this, this trailer is a refrigerator it could be down to -15-20 degrees, these trailers have a built in separate diesel tank, this trailer was probably loaded up in xxx country, it was hauled to a dutch port like  Zeebrugge, where it could have been there for days, then its put on a ferry using a lorry and dropped off and the new driver picks it up from dover docks and then drives it to a cold storage unit which is where it went to, these trailers have seals or customs tags on them to supposedly stop theft or allegations of theft from a trailer, these would have been sealed where the trailer had come from. if you ever had to work in these low temps, believe me I have, and these poor souls would not have lived long, my be a hour at the most, so is the lorry driver fault? no way. And why do people make this hazardous journeys? hopefully for a better life, the UK will accommodate all waifs and strays, we will give them a house which us the tax payer pays for, food alliance, inc clothing allowance and cash to buy a car, they also get benefits to.free medical heath care, etc etc, most of the time the British customs guys catch them trying to get into the country, but we send them back toothed they are trying in the afternoon to get back, eventually they will get in its a law of averages, try try and try again. I've seen it regular, on motorway service station people jumping out of the back of lorries and fleeing also at Toyot near me they have the same problem, stowaways.

https://youtu.be/Mf76yyTY7Ss

https://youtu.be/_edkvsdzZt0

https://youtu.be/-2Y26ctAEEA

this is what the UK has to put up with on a daily basis

No one knows why these people were travelling to the U.K. I would speculate it’s less likely they’re economic migrants seeking a better life, more probably they’re victims of modern slavery trafficked by organised criminals through a soft port.

33% of Britons don't want to risk their lives hiding in a shipping container to leave their country, they would just like to live somewhere else.

Ouch. Cold, hard, unforgiving logic. Well played, tanker.

Horrible, no way to treat your fellow human beings.

OssanAmerica

What is it about China that people will take such risks to live somewhere else?

It's not so much about China than about Great Britain. Lots of people smuggling incidents happen in the UK involving people from around the world. GB is where they were so desperate to be. They could have stayed in Belgium and been perfectly safe. Belgium is also migrant/refugee friendly with a high living standard and social security standards.

But Britain offers freedoms, opportunities and fairness to outsiders that very very few other countries can match.

@zichi

Mah Friend, didn't your tabloid media inform you that the truck itself was registered in Bulgaria in 2017, and has never entered the country since then? The container of the truck that contained the bodies was shipped from Belgium. So, Bulgarians have nothing to do with this other than allowing British criminals to register their crony businesses in Bulgaria because the taxes are too low. We did had problems with human trafficking and smugglers during the peak of the migration crisis, but ever since we build a huge wall on the Turkish border, the trafficking stopped.

. So, Bulgarians have nothing to do with this other than allowing British criminals to register their crony businesses in Bulgaria because the taxes are too low. 

Logic failure. Do you really think Bulgarians all reside in Bulgaria? Yoinks.

@ I love coffee, the main reason UK drivers/companies register there lorries somewhere in the EU is because the road tax is very high in the UK, so registering it in Bulgaria make sense as its so much cheaper, most companies register them in France, it might have something to do with criminal activity it might not.

@Zichi there not containers m8 they are refrigerated trailers two different things

Logic failure. Do you really think Bulgarians all reside in Bulgaria? Yoinks.

Where is the logic that Bulgarians have anything to do with this? Why are we even talking about Bulgarian involvement when there is zero evidence for it? The truck company was registered in Bulgaria by a woman from Northern Ireland in 2017, and the truck has not entered the country since then. The container or the trailer was shipped from Belgium and presumably attached in England. The Belgium media have said that, they don't believe the people were smuggled inside the container in Belgium because containers are examined before shipment in the ports. Which to me means that, the people were smuggled either en route to England, or IN England. So what does Bulgaria has to do with any of this again? Other than the obvious hate for us of course. Also, just today, two English people were arrested in suspicious of human trafficking and murder, while the driver of the truck, who is coincidentally from Northern Ireland, remains arrested. So, again, why are we talking about Bulgaria? I don't see any reason to even think that Bulgarians are involved in this. To think logically means to think in accordance with facts, so which facts makes you think that Bulgarians are involved here? All the known facts so far point to British smugglers and criminals, but then again, they control the media, so we get to be blamed for it. That's how it works.

@zichi

And how many British smuggler gangs are serving time in British prisons? Or am i not allowed to ask questions that may portray England in a negative light?

Why are you even focusing on Bulgarians, when this is clearly done by British criminal and smugglers? There is zero evidence for any Bulgarian involvement, and yet here you are talking about Bulgarian smugglers. You can't help yourself blaming somebody else. There are likely many times more British smugglers, but you would never hear about them from the English press.

Even if there are Bulgarian people smugglers and Bulgarian pickpocket gangs who fly into London every weekend does not reflect on all Bulgarians. All nations have their criminals and crime.

Yeah, and even though there are British smugglers and British scammers who scam people in Bulgaria and all across Europe, which is never reported by the English press, that doesn't reflect on all Britons, just the majority of them and those who seek to hide it or deny it.

How Bulgaria’s booming transport industry has made it a target for desperate people risking their lives to cross borders in the back of lorries | The Independent

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/essex-lorry-deaths-bulgaria-immigrants-human-trafficking-transport-industry-licenses-a9169486.html

Also, they are not trying to reach "The West", because they have reached "the West'' the moment they land in Bulgaria. What they are trying to reach is a particular country, depending on their circumstances. In 9 out of 10 cases, that particular country is Germany. Many don't even want to stay in Austria or Scandinavia. Even those who cross the med sea to reach Italy don't want to stay there, they want to go to Germany. Also, this story is from 2015, the peak of the refugee crisis.

I don't think i remember ever seeing a positive story about Bulgaria from DW. I see they actively maintain the cold war terminology and mindset division in Europe. I also like the fact that, the English press is already trying to desperately shift the focus from themselves to somebody else. They already can't stop writing about how bad Bulgaria is and how we have a problem with smugglers despite the fact that, this tragedy has nothing to do with Bulgaria. But of course, you would never see the Mirror or one of these pseudo news websites writing anything bad about their own country.

@zichi, either way its a certain death, 1: -20 degrees, 2: air tight trailer, poor buggers, what a horrible way to go. the UK boarders have building designed to X ray lorries, they will penetrate a trailer no problem, also the have Co 2 probes that they insert into trailers, this way they can tell by the oxygen levels if any one is inside, also thermal imagery. I don't suppose its going to deter crim,s from smuggling people in to the UK. on the local new there was a Thai lady phoned up the police and said that a relative might have been on the lorry, apparently she phoned her and said that she was having problems in breathing ( possibly from said trailer) so she's asked to see if she can identify any of the bodies.