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Yeah, well, it seems the pro-gun loons’ argument of needing a gun to protect yourself has been shot to poop again. It’s difficult to understand how everybody having a gun will result in less gun related deaths. That’s just illogical malarkey.

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So you’re saying that all ten victims had weapons and were unable to protect themselves?

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Another mass shooting that too many American don't want to do anything about because god is the 2nd amendment and Trumps all laws of decency and the right to life and liberty.

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The country is being held hostage by the NRA and love for guns. Blood on their hands and pox on their homes.

I believe we all wish something could be done to keep shooting massacres from happening so often. 

We have way too many shootings, with many massacres among them.

It is a tragedy and a travesty that our nation does nothing at all to address gun violence.

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The country is being held hostage by the NRA and love for guns. 

No, they’re not.

Blood on their hands and pox on their homes.

Absurd!

I believe we all wish something could be done to keep shooting massacres from happening so often. 

Trying to take away the 2nd amendment is not the way.

We have way too many shootings, with many massacres among them.

It is a tragedy and a travesty that our nation does nothing at all to address gun violence.

We should discuss it and I sincerely mean that as long as it doesn’t involve shredding our 2nd amendment

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California has some of the strictest gun laws in the U.S., but in any case talk of restricting access to guns is a non-sequiter - and I say this as someone who is anti-guns. 10/1 says this is gang related, and 'bangers really aren't known to give a fig about the laws of gun ownership before packing heat.

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California has some of the strictest gun laws in the U.S.,

And also a border with Nevada. Which doesn't.

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And also a border with Nevada. Which doesn't.

It’s like these people think splitting a restaurant in half and saying ‘this side only is for smoking’ will keep smoke out of the other side.

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Ever mind the 2nd amendment, the majority of gun owners don't even want sensible laws and restrictions that could help reduce the developed world's greatest rates of gun homicide at 11.5/100,000. Compared with Japan 0.03 per 100,000. They have no interest in reducing the gun homicide costs to the nation at $229 billion per year.

Gun homicides and American buses, there'll be another along very soon.

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gun homicide costs to the nation at $229 billion per year.

Higher than the GDP of New Zealand. Stop shooting yourselves for a bit and you can buy New Zealand instead of Greenland.

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Ever mind the 2nd amendment, the majority of gun owners don't even want sensible laws and restrictions that could help reduce the developed world's greatest rates of gun homicide at 11.5/100,000. Compared with Japan 0.03 per 100,000. They have no interest in reducing the gun homicide costs to the nation at $229 billion per year.

Gun homicides and American buses, there'll be another along very soon

We have enough on the books already, the laws need to be more heavily enforced. But I keep forgetting, cops in most Blue States and in the Justice system are not allowed to heavily prosecute gun offenders.

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But I keep forgetting, cops in most Blue States and in the Justice system are not allowed to heavily prosecute gun offenders.

Barely disguied glee at a mass shooting in the other team's state instead of your own.

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Another day, another mass shooting .... this nightmare has got to stop.

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We have enough on the books already, the laws need to be more heavily enforced. But I keep forgetting, cops in most Blue States and in the Justice system are not allowed to heavily prosecute gun offenders.

Judging from the number of gun homicides deaths it seems not and too many states have few gun restriction laws.

Blood on the Tracks.

Glad we live in a country without guns. At least Japan gets something right.

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Is America a developed country? Their number of gun killings would make a war zone feel safe

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They have no interest in reducing the gun homicide costs to the nation at $229 billion per year.

Sounds a bit high to me. That's enough to bail out dozens of rich bankers and campaign donors.

Higher than the GDP of New Zealand. Stop shooting yourselves for a bit and you can buy New Zealand

They already are. The rich take their government welfare and buy a safe abode (and citizenship) in New Zealand for the inevitable day when people wake up and realize they are being robbed. They would prefer that people be unarmed for that very same reason.

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We should discuss it and I sincerely mean that as long as it doesn’t involve shredding our 2nd amendment

You are for depriving people of their liberty by placing them in mental healthcare facilities to prevent them from possibly using a firearm for a massacre. 

Strip people of their liberty just so you can have easy access to weapons.

But I keep forgetting, cops in most Blue States and in the Justice system are not allowed to heavily prosecute gun offenders.

Your contention is that "Blue States," i.e., democratic states, that have the toughest firearms laws don't allow the police or courts to prosecute gun offenders? Wow, that's one huge logic failure right there.

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StrangerlandToday  04:25 pm JST

And also a border with Nevada. Which doesn't.

It’s like these people think splitting a restaurant in half and saying ‘this side only is for smoking’ will keep smoke out of the other side.

Outstanding. So true.

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cops in most Blue States and in the Justice system are not allowed to heavily prosecute gun offenders.

Not surprising that such an insensitive statement comes from someone who justified killing migrants just because 'there are different from us'.

Easy access to guns is America's bane and unless that is resolved we will keep seeing such senseless killings.

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Gun violence costs america $229 billion per year, new report says

https://www.newsweek.com/gun-violence-economic-toll-joint-committee-1460035

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At it again, eh?

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Indeed.  This type of gun related incident is indeed comparable with smoking banks and public venues' attempts to accommodate all their prospective customers.  agree with Bungle, this at least feels like it might be non-random and related to some gang issue or other beef.

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bans

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I never even saw this one mentioned on the BBC - THAT is how commonplace these slaughters are becoming. American politicians know the answer, they just don't have the bollox to do anything about it.

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Random - So you’re saying that all ten victims had weapons and were unable to protect themselves

I’m not saying anything. I am only repeating what the pro-gun lobby in the US wants and why they want it. They want everybody armed so they can protect themselves against others with arms. They even want school teachers to carry guns in schools. It’s absolutely ridiculous!

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And also a border with Nevada. Which doesn't.

So what? Do you think G. Angster really goes shopping for his piece in Walmart?

It’s like these people think splitting a restaurant in half and saying ‘this side only is for smoking’ will keep smoke out of the other side.

So, let me get this straight - you believe that if firearm ownership were illegal in the U.S., it would prevent all gun related murders? Really? Finland has pretty high gun ownership, and yet people don't go around shooting each other. Correlation =/= causation.

And, working with your smoking analogy, even in a non-smoking restaurant you will occasionally get people who insist on lighting up.

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Sadly just another day in lawless USA.

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Gun violence costs america $229 billion per year, new report says

https://www.newsweek.com/gun-violence-economic-toll-joint-committee-1460035

Thanks for the link. It's not a scientific report. It's a report put out by members of congress, who all have political motives. The methods aren't well defined, many variables aren't accounted for, and I think the number is just obviously too high.

Not a comment one way or the other on the issue. Just wanted to point out the numbers seem too far from factual to be useful in any debate.

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You are for depriving people of their liberty by placing them in mental healthcare facilities to prevent them from possibly using a firearm for a massacre. 

If they are mentally ill, and infringing on my rights as well and that’s where the 2nd amendment comes in because if they don’t want to care for these people and allow them on the streets, they shouldn’t be on the streets if they can’t control themselves or can make the determination to be responsible then that’s where the State should comes in.

Strip people of their liberty just so you can have easy access to weapons.

Allow mentally ill and deranged people the ability to come and attack me and my family while I’m disarmed and not allowed to have weapons? Lol, yeah, right.....

Your contention is that "Blue States," i.e., democratic states, that have the toughest firearms laws don't allow the police or courts to prosecute gun offenders? Wow, that's one huge logic failure right there.

Then they should enforce existing laws and leave law abiding citizens like myself alone. This is why Democrats in all honesty wouldn’t do anything about guns because if they did, they wouldn’t get elected to anything again.

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So what? Do you think G. Angster really goes shopping for his piece in Walmart

You bought up that tired old pro-gun argument about a place (usually Chicago) having strict gun laws but still having gun-related crime, which is easily disputed by an apt analogy such as Strangerland's. But no, he or she most likely gets hold of one of the approximately 500,000 guns stolen each year from the NRA's beloved "responsible gun owners."

you believe that if firearm ownership were illegal in the U.S., it would prevent all gun related murders? 

All? That's ridiculous. Even Japan has gun related murders.

Really? Finland has pretty high gun ownership, and yet people don't go around shooting each other.

Finland also has pretty rigorous (some would say sensible) gun regulation.

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Another day, another shooting in the US of 'murica. More people dead.

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All? That's ridiculous. Even Japan has gun related murders.

The National Police Agency announced that in 2017 there were only 22 shooting crimes throughout Japan. Members of organized crime syndicates were the perpetrators in 13 of the crimes. Three people were killed.

In Japan there hasn't been a single mass shooting

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The National Police Agency announced that in 2017 there were only 22 shooting crimes throughout Japan. Members of organized crime syndicates were the perpetrators in 13 of the crimes. Three people were killed.

In Japan there hasn't been a single mass shooting

But they have other problems where people are dying so it’s all relative, whether it’s guns, pills, knives or poison, dead is dead and it doesn’t discriminate.

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T&P.

See ya at the next one.

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But no, he or she most likely gets hold of one of the approximately 500,000 guns stolen each year from the NRA's beloved "responsible gun owners."

And just who is stealing the guns? Find them, and you find your problem.

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But they have other problems where people are dying so it’s all relative, whether it’s guns, pills, knives or poison, dead is dead and it doesn’t discriminate.

But that's even more true in America. It applies on top of the massive numbers of dead from mass shootings and gun homicides. Like the 20 million people addicted to opioids or the massive drug addiction rates costing the country $700 billion every year. Add that to the cost of gun homicides and that $1 trillion every year.

Not all deaths are the same even if the end result is the same. That's why there are laws about illegal deaths against legal deaths,

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Not all deaths are the same even if the end result is the same. That's why there are laws about illegal deaths against legal deaths,

Dead is dead and whatever the cause of it is in whichever country you live, the end result is still the same: dead.

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Dead is dead and whatever the cause of it is in whichever country you live, the end result is still the same: dead.

Nope wrong again. The end result isn't the same because if you are guilty of murder you will go to prison for a very long time. In some countries maybe even executed. That is why there are laws to protect people against illegal deaths.

More people die per 100,000 for all reasons, health, accidents, homicides than the people in Japan. Check out the death rates for each.

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bass4funk

Dead is dead and whatever the cause of it is in whichever country you live, the end result is still the same: dead.

so you are also including abortions too?

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And just who is stealing the guns? Find them, and you find your problem.

Sure. You could also work towards cutting off their supply as "Massachusetts is the only state that generally requires that all firearms be stored with a lock in place"

You know, a sensible law. And one that doesn't infringe upon the 2nd Amendment.

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/child-consumer-safety/safe-storage/

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U.S. and its gun loving culture.

Methinks people from this country have no business lecturing other nations on how to conduct their business or how their citizens act.

Fix your own countries first.

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Nope wrong again.

No, I disagree.

The end result isn't the same because if you are guilty of murder you will go to prison for a very long time. In some countries maybe even executed. That is why there are laws to protect people against illegal deaths.

Yes, but regardless a dead body is a dead body, whatever the cause, once that happens, death doesn’t discriminate.

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Yet another multiple people shooting in the heavily gun controlled, liberal utopia of California? Well, that's mighty awkward for the gun-grabbing crowd.

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America was built with bullets

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Those crazy Californians.

Made plans a few hours ago to have a BBQ with family - not in California - after we go to an outside target range for a day of fun for 3 generations.

Wish people here would understand a little about changing the US Constitution before commenting.

It is basically impossible to remove the 2nd Amendment. 2/3rd of both houses of Congress and state legislatures are required. 13 states can block any Constitutional change regardless of what the far west and north east want. It won't be changed. Period. So it is time to move onto other solutions. m'k?

There are more guns in the USA than there are people or cars. There is no centralized registry for gun ownership, so passing a local law that tries to get people turn in or register their existing firearms will be treated just like speeding laws. This is by design. Certain firearms do require registration, but most places a handgun or limited round rifle do not.

Heck, in some states putting a handgun into a purse is not considered "concealing", so a concealed weapon license isn't needed.

But there is good news. If you do have a concealed weapon license, that card can be used to prove your identity for voting on election day. ;)

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Those crazy Californians.

No, those carzy american gun lovers..

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bass4funk

Yes, but regardless a dead body is a dead body, whatever the cause, once that happens, death doesn’t discriminate.

So according to your deep insight we shouldn't be bothered about how a person is killed or dies because death is death whether from a terminal disease, fatal accident, airline crash, terrorism, mass shootings, homicides, abortion, natural causes, suicide, whether or not a person didn't decide for themselves when shot dead. Whether the deaths are babies, children in school or gangland.

Why even bother having any laws about deaths since your equation is so simple.

No need to have regulations about safety on airlines or places of work. No need to have cars that compile to safety standards.

Only a crazy person would think the way death occurs isn't important because death is death.

The highest gun killings is greater in America than all the other developed countries added up together so America isn't getting it right.

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Police described the victims as Asian men between 25- and 30-years-old. Three were found dead at the scene. The fourth died in hospital.

...

Officers are looking for surveillance video from the area to help identify suspects.

That's from the BBC. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50463611

Football family gatherings need to stop, clearly.

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