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4 dead, 8 wounded in shooting at IHOP restaurant in Nevada

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I really hate that I live in a world where stuff like this happens. It's just senseless. I want to be sad for the victims but I'm angry over the senselessness of it all.

Taka

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“I don’t know what’s happening to my city,” Fran Hunter, who works at the Sierra Le Bone pet shop just north of the IHOP, told the Reno Gazette-Journal. “This happens in LA or Las Vegas but not here.”

It happens EVERYWHERE in the US because of the extremely poor gun laws, and every time someone like this says the same thing, too late. RIP to the victims.

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I'm betting there are at least a half-dozen people who knew this shooter was nuts.

That wouldn't have stopped the other nuts from defending this one's right to bear arms.

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Taka313SEP. 07, 2011 - 08:26AM JST I really hate that I live in a world where stuff like this happens. It's just senseless. I want to be sad for the victims but I'm angry over the senselessness of it all.

Taka

Yes i very much agree, this is really crazy mad stuff happening. I see the news, these types of shooting happen in America like every week or something, it's scary being out having something to eat or whatever and some insane nutcase goes on a rampage shooting and killing innocent people.

It makes me so angry that people can take away other precious and innocent lives just like that. Feel sad for the poor National Gurad members were just waking up to another new day having something to eat and this terrible thing happens that will forever change destiny.

It can happen to anyone, I guess anywhere. Gun control laws is so important to maintain.

Each day is a god given gift. Be happy, do good things and live your life to the fullest.

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On the issue of gun control - reports said the rifle was an AK-47. Aren't assault rifles banned in the US though? In other words, wasn't this guy violating gun laws in the first place?

It seems like at least half the time these incidents could be avoided if gun laws were simply better enforced....

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People should not have the right to bear arms. They only end up killing others and themselves.

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Gun control laws is so important to maintain.

Well that would be true if the US had good gun control laws. But they don't. Just make handguns illegal. Actually all guns.

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People should not have the right to bear arms. They only end up killing others and themselves.

Newsflash - the Untied States is not located in Europe. Believe it or not there are very legitimate reasons to own guns, such as hunting or self protection (against large predators, e.g. bears). Calling for all guns to be banned is unrealistic and unfair to the millions of law abiding gun owners.

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Well that would be true if the US had good gun control laws. But they don't. Just make handguns illegal. Actually all guns.

While the federal government does play a role in gun control, the strictness and maintenance of gun laws is largely a domain of the individual states. While lump all 50 stats together?

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It happens EVERYWHERE in the US because of the extremely poor gun laws, and every time someone like this says the same thing, too late. RIP to the victims

No it doesn't, 85% of US counties report an average annual rate of murder of 0. The vast majority of gun crime or just crime in general is in the inner part of major cities like: LA, Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, Washington D.C.

The issue isn't gun laws, the issue is the lack of enformcent of the current gun laws. The gun laws are strong enough already, they are just not heavily enforced. In fact gun laws wouldn't even make that much a difference, states like New Hampsire which have pretty much no guns laws have a murder rate of around 1 per 100k.

On the issue of gun control - reports said the rifle was an AK-47. Aren't assault rifles banned in the US though? In other words, wasn't this guy violating gun laws in the first place?

No they are not banned. Technically a true assault rifle has a fully automatic mode, which you can still legally buy in the US but they are extremely expensive. Chances are this was a semi-automatic rifle that fired the same caliber and looked like an AK. Banning assault rifles wouldn't make much of a difference anyways, they make up on average around 1% of all gun crime, in fact rifles on average only make up 3% of all gun crime in the US. Around 86% of all gun crime is with a semi-automatic pistol or a revolver of some sort and then about 11% of gun crime is committed with a shotgun.

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People should not have the right to bear arms. They only end up killing others and themselves.

Based off of US gun crime and gun suicide figures compared to the total number of gun owners and the number of guns in the US that couldn't be further from the truth.

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Deplore,

Depends on if the AK was automatic or not. Semi-automatic AKs can be sold legally in the US (depending on the state). From there, it's not a very big deal to modify it to fire on automatic. Judging from the small number of dead and wounded, my guess is he was using a legally purchased, unmodified semi-automatic rifle.

Gun control laws in the US are mandated more or less by NRA lobbyists. For example, in the Arizona massacre earlier this year, the shooter had a handgun with some thirty rounds. That, too, was a legal weapon - but only because a Clinton-era ban on large ammo capacity weapons had expired and a certain NRA-friendly political party in the US barred it from being re-activated.

Gun control doesn't necessarily have to mean "no guns at all". It could just mean common sense. Seriously, who needs a fully automatic weapon to go hunting, or 30-plus bullets in a single clip to defend themselves?

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Deplore: "Newsflash - the Untied States is not located in Europe."

No kidding! Europe is far more civilized when it comes to gun mentality and laws.

"Believe it or not there are very legitimate reasons to own guns, such as hunting or self protection (against large predators, e.g. bears)."

A hunting rifle, which should be registered and locked up when not in use, I can understand. But are you telling me a person needs a desert eagle hand gun to protect him/herself from a coyote? It's ridiculous that people can purchase handguns -- the sole purpose of which is to kill another human being -- automatic rifles, and even rocket launchers. Until the laws are changed, and as Noliving said 'better enforced', we'll be reading about this kind of thing again, and again, and again.

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There are definitely too many guns in the US. Why do they like them so much? RIP to the victims?

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People should not have the right to bear arms. They only end up killing others and themselves.

Based off of US gun crime and gun suicide figures compared to the total number of gun owners and the number of guns in the US that couldn't be further from the truth.

Incorrect. Check your facts. Murder rates in the US are much higher than Europe. The reason is guns.

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Newsflash - the Untied States is not located in Europe. Believe it or not there are very legitimate reasons to own guns, such as hunting or self protection (against large predators, e.g. bears).

Some countries allow hunting rifles. They don't allow handguns. There is no legitimate reason for owning a handgun.

A hunting rifle, which should be registered and locked up when not in use, I can understand. But are you telling me a person needs a desert eagle hand gun to protect him/herself from a coyote? It's ridiculous that people can purchase handguns -- the sole purpose of which is to kill another human being -- automatic rifles, and even rocket launchers. Until the laws are changed, and as Noliving said 'better enforced', we'll be reading about this kind of thing again, and again, and again.

Totally agree. Why can't the average American understand that guns do not protect the innocent. They protect the criminal.

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I think many average Americans do understand that. The problem is people in power love money and the NRA has a whole lot of that to hand out.

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Reno-based FBI special agent Michael West said there was no indication of any terrorist plot.

Sounds like a one-man terrorist plot to me.

You think the wording of that statement might have something to do with him not being Middle Eastern or Muslim?

A most likely Catholic Mexican immigrant just can't be a terrorist?

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RIP to the victims?

Sorry - that should be RIP to the victims - no question mark.

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In the bankruptcy filing, Sencion listed more than $42,000 in outstanding debts for a car, several credit cards and some medical expenses. At the time, Sencion reported having $200 spread over three bank accounts and $923 in disability income, mostly from Social Security.

Should sold the guns instead of shooting them.

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As an American myself, every time I read these articles I think more and more that guns should be illegal in the U.S. I've been living in Japan for a while now, and though I don't agree with most aspects regarding Japanese culture, tradition, laws, and politics, this is one of the things that I actually do agree with.

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Unnecessary deaths. R.I.P.

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If only everyone had been armed with AK47s, if not bazookas...

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No kidding! Europe is far more civilized when it comes to gun mentality and laws.

Not really, it is nothing more than perception. For example in Germany there is an estimated 1.5 million legally owned firearms, yet the estimate for illegally owned firearms is over 8.5 million. Just like with drug, prostitution, and gambling laws, all it does when you make them illegal is just drive them underground it doesn't actually lower their presence which is the case with Germany. All the gun laws have done in Europe is just sweep guns under the rug or put them in the shadows, not actually reduced their presence. Also when you consider the fact that over 99.999% of gun owners don't kill someone or injure someone in the US I would argue that in fact they are acting very civilized with their guns.

But are you telling me a person needs a desert eagle hand gun to protect him/herself from a coyote?

That depends on the situation, what is the range, are they hiding behind an object? Also is the goal to kill or to just wound the animal? Ask yourself this though, if your being attacked by an animal are you really going to be asking yourself: "I hope this weapon isn't overkill for what I'm defending against", you can't be seriously saying that you would stop and think for a moment about whether or not a gun is to much for the predator that is currently stalking/attacking you. Desert Eagles that are .375, .44 or .50AE make excellent hunting/defense firearms for deer/elk, bears, mountain lions, and moose. Lets be honest here, how often are desert eagles found/used in a crime scene? Very rarely if ever and the reason for that is because they are just to big, it is almost impossible to conceal them effectively. Most of the time when someone is charged with a gun crime with a desert eagle it is because they are in illegal possession of it not because they actually assaulted someone with it. The only people who really own such a weapon are collectors or big game hunters.

It's ridiculous that people can purchase handguns -- the sole purpose of which is to kill another human being

If it is to be used for hunting, target shooting, self-defense or in the unlikely event a revolution against a tyrannical government then no it is not ridiculous. That may have been its sole purpose when they were originally created but multiple purposes such as sport/target shooting have become a purpose for gun design.

Until the laws are changed, and as Noliving said 'better enforced', we'll be reading about this kind of thing again, and again, and again.

Which laws? Gun Laws don't need to be change really I mean murder is already illegal same with assault, what needs to change is a culture that says if someone disrespects you you need to assault/kill/(get back at) that person. Meaning if someone disrespects you in order to get any type of respect back from the community you need to assault/kill that person. Think of it like honor killing, you have to attack the "person" that "took" away your honor and in order to get it back from the community you have to kill that woman. You can make honor killing illegal but until the culture actually stops believing in honor killing it is still going to happen. That is what needs to change not gun laws, and I know I'm not being politically correct here but that type of mentality is prevalent in the black ghetto areas. And why is it that way? Because the people there only have "respect", they have nothing, no job, no education, no future as a result the only thing worth anything to these people is respect and when you take their respect away, by disrespecting them of course, you have taken everything away from them, meaning in their minds they have nothing to lose if they decide to attack/kill you.

If any law needs to change it is drug laws in the US. That will have more effect on gun crime and all other violent and non violent crimes in the US than any gun law ever will.

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Incorrect. Check your facts. Murder rates in the US are much higher than Europe. The reason is guns.

Ok lets see here, there are more than 300 million legally owned by an estimated 65 to 100 million gun owners. According to the FBI there was about 9,500 to 9,900(might be off by a couple of dozen on the upper range) murders with firearms with an additional 15-20,000 suicides.

So lets go by total number of guns divided by murders (300,000,000/9,900), this gives us a rate of 30,303 guns per murder. For something that is design to kill someone very easily that is pretty shocking that it takes 30,303 guns per murder isn't it? If we go by total number of gun owners divided by murders (65,000,000/9,900) that gives us a rate of 6,565 gun owners per murder with a firearm or in other words(percentage) the rate of gun owner committing murder is 0.000015233%. But the argument was both murder and suicides, so 300,000,000/29,900 = 10,033. That means per gun death there is 10,033 guns. Now for gun owners 65,000,000/29,900 = 2,173 gun owners per death by guns, over half of which are suicides or in other words(percentage) 0.00004601% of gun owners will either kill someone or the themselves, again more than half of that percentage is suicides. So with such low percentage what are they being used for and the answer is either hunting, target shooting, or just for display in someone's collection. They are not being used to kill someone else or the owner.

So what does that mean? It means that more than 99.9999% of guns will not kill someone or injure someone, it means that more than 99.9999% of gun owners will not kill someone or themselves. As for the murder rate, the difference between European and american murder rates is really negligible. Percentage wise it is a big difference but in reality it really isn't that big of a difference it really is negligible difference. For example lets say we both have 100,000 cars each and I have 1 black car and you have 5 black cars, out of a 100,000 cars is you having 4 more black cars that much more? Nope, it is negligible. Lets go by the quality of a product, again we both have 100,000 cars, I have 1 broken car per 100,000 and you have 5 broken cars per 100,000, is that additional 4 more cars out of 100,000 really that much more? Nope it is negligible.

The reason isn't guns, the reason is the drug war. I can tell you right now that if the US was to end their drug war, especially against marijuana, that it will have a greater impact on lowering murder and all other types of crime, violent and nonviolent, then any gun law could ever hope to achieve. Take for example Mexico and its violence, is that because of guns or is it because of drugs? I can tell you right now that confiscating someone's guns in Iowa will have no effect on gun crime or just crime in general in LA, Detroit, Chicago, Washington DC. etc.

Most gun murders in the US is caused by the illegal drug industry.

Totally agree. Why can't the average American understand that guns do not protect the innocent. They protect the criminal.

In what way would making them illegal protect the innocent when the criminal can still get the gun. That would be like saying if I make marijuana illegal I can get rid of it, or if I make prostitution illegal I can end it. It will never go away it just gets pushed underground.

As for not protecting the Innocent: "DETROIT (WXYZ) Feb 21, 2011- A Detroit pizza delivery man turned the tables on three would be crooks Sunday night. The driver for Papas Pizza shot and killed one of the men who attempted to ambush and rob him around 10 PM. The address provided was a vacant home on the 20000 block of McCormick on Detroits east side, one block from the border of Harper Woods."

To read more search: pizza delivery man fights back after being ambushed kills robber

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Its not so much that the laws on the books need to be enforced more. So many of them are practically unenforceable. How you going to practically stop someone converting a legally bought semi-auto AK-47 to fully automatic without Big Brother tactics? America's laws on guns are so watered down and disjointed they are not of much use. This is just another slaughter we can thank the NRA for. If they would dedicate their knowledge and hearts to creating a balanced and workable strategy for gun control unstead of just being a reactive, balking, pain in the butt mule whenever other people come up with those laws, everybody would be happy.

Even I admit that often times the anti-gun people don't know their stuff. Even sometimes I wish they would shut up. So the NRA and others should do something constructive to shut them up, instead of just being so damned stubborn and destructive all the time.

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I like shooting pistols, but not people, but the kick really hurts as I am small. But guns are out of control in America. If you get rid of them though, only the bad guys will have them.

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This is just another slaughter we can thank the NRA for.

Is it? I mean guns laws were most likely violated in this situation, what laws did the NRA actually stop that would have stop this crime. Can you tell me the name of the law that prevented from going through that would have stopped this? You do realize that the NRA is actually for gun laws that prevent mentally ill and criminals from getting guns. In fact the NRA just helped to pass a bill through the legislature in the state of Michigan that increases gun safety classes in public schools so as to prevent accidental gun deaths. Oracle what do you know of the NRA in terms of what bills it has lobbied to pass passed and fought against. Here is a website that gives you a small snapshot of the laws and programs the NRA has helped create: www.nraila.org/Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?id=209#FABLE III:

What laws is the US missing oracle?

You talk about workable strategy for gun control, for the past 20 years guns violence has been going down, if gun violence is still going down why do we need new/more laws when the current gun laws right now are doing their job of reducing gun violence? I can understand the argument that it is to close gaps or inefficiencies but the vast majority of the current gun laws don't have gaps or inefficiencies that people think they do.

Gun laws that people want or think the US needs are a lot like sex laws, they are unenforceable without massive government intrusion into your personal private life with the ability of random unannounced search and seizures without probable cause. To give you an example in 1965 the US Supreme court struck down a bill that would have made it illegal for married couples to use birth control. The reason why they struck it down was because the only way you could have enforced it was with massive government intrusion into your life.

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This is part two and some of it is a repeat:

If they would dedicate their knowledge and hearts to creating a balanced and workable strategy for gun control unstead of just being a reactive, balking, pain in the butt mule whenever other people come up with those laws, everybody would be happy.

Well lets see here the NRA has helped create and pass laws that prevent criminals, mentally ill people, and juveniles from getting guns. The NRA has also supported instant background checks on people who are buying guns at retail stores. They also helped write and pass the bill that would require instant background checks on those that want to carry a gun in public whether it be concealed or not concealed.They also helped to create the law that banned the manufacture and importation of armored piercing rounds. The NRA supported the Hughes-McCollum bill that prohibits the development and production of firearms that would be undetectable during scans at airports. The NRA has help write and support laws that increase prison sentences for the violent crimes, reduce the chance of parole for those convicted of violent crimes and approve more funding for the creation of increased prison capacity in order to make sure those sentences are carried out. For example the NRA strongly supported and helped lobby the Project Exile in Virginia that made it a minimum 5 year sentence for illegal possession of a firearm. It eventually went nationwide under the Bush administration in 2002 called the Project Safe Neighborhoods. I can keep going on gun laws that the NRA has supported.

The truth of the matter is that the gun laws people think the US needs already exist, and the ones that don't exist won't work to end gun violence or just violence in general because criminals don't follow laws, what works are tougher prison sentences that keep them off of the streets. For example of something that doesn't work increasing waiting periods doesn't lower gun violence in fact the states that imposed longer waiting periods actually had higher murder rates after laws were passed that increased the waiting period to get a hand gun.

Here is an interesting quote, tell me if you disagree with it: " Don. B. Kates, a noted civil rights lawyer, best put the international comparison myth in perspective, writing, "In any society, truly violent people are only a small minority. We know that law-abiding citizens do not commit violent crimes. We know that criminals will neither obey gun bans nor refrain from turning other deadly instruments to their nefarious purposes. . . . In sum, peaceful societies do not need general gun bans and violent societies do not benefit from them."

But guns are out of control in America.

How are they out of control JapanGal? Over 99.9999% of gun owners don't shoot or kill anyone with their firearms, in fact 99.9999% of guns in the US are not used to assault someone whatsoever. In fact gun crime has been falling for the past 20 years and in those past 20 years the US population has increased and the US adds anywhere between 1 million to 4.5 million guns to the population, yet again gun crime and all other types of crime have fallen. So in what way is out of control? Out of control suggests gun crime is going up. How can something be out of control if it is decreasing for two decades straight?

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As for the murder rate, the difference between European and american murder rates is really negligible.

British and US violent crime rates are comparable but US murder rates are much higher. I wonder why that would be.

Would you look at that! For gun murders US beats England by a factor of more than twenty. Go team USA!

UK - 0.0012 per 1000 people USA - 0.0279 per 1000 people

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders-firearms-per-capita

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Good work Nessie

British and US violent crime rates are comparable but US murder rates are much higher. I wonder why that would be. Would you look at that! For gun murders US beats England by a factor of more than twenty. Go team USA!

Care to break it down by race of perp and race of victim (excluding suicides) ?

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BreitbartVictorious

Care to break it down by race of perp and race of victim (excluding suicides) ?

What difference does that make (apart from suicides) the fact is the gun murder rate for the US is much higher than in the UK and this is due to the uncontrolled proliferation of firearms in the American society.

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Care to break it down by race of perp and race of victim (excluding suicides) ?

I'm going to do your legwork for you? No thanks.

Do you have some point?

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What difference does that make (apart from suicides) the fact is the gun murder rate for the US is much higher than in the UK and this is due to the uncontrolled proliferation of firearms in the American society.

I am inclined to believe that recently it is the the proliferation of powerful anti-depressants like Prozac. Most of these mass killers will be found to have been pretty heavily medicated at one time in the past.

"Proximity to Canada" (non Americans won't get the inference) again tells the story:

The state of North Dakota had 0 (zero) fatalities from gunshots in 2008.

The city of Oakland had hundreds.

In states like Michigan and Pennsylvania as many as 600 000 hunters take to the forests each hunting season - that's a number ten times the Aussie Defence Force - and not a few of em with some traditional huntin' libations for the downtime. Yet, strangely, we never read of disgruntled hunters shooting up each other, do we?

In the end though all I can say is if you don't like US gun policy don't vote for pro 2nd Amendment candidates and or don't visit our country. Simple as that.

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BreitbartVictorious

I am inclined to believe that recently it is the the proliferation of powerful anti-depressants like Prozac. Most of these mass killers will be found to have been pretty heavily medicated at one time in the past.

Well lets blame the drugs not the actual weapon that is used to kill. Good argument... NOT. Who cares if they have been on Prozac you think the US is the only country that has powerful anti depressants. The fact is if this nut couldnt get a gun then there wouldnt be 4 dead people now would there. If guns are hard to get then mass killers will use other methods l hear you saying, bit hard to kill multiple people in one go with a knife or baseball bat isnt it?

"Proximity to Canada" (non Americans won't get the inference) again tells the story:

Maybe that could be reversed Canada's suicide rate is from being so close to the US!

In states like Michigan and Pennsylvania as many as 600 000 hunters take to the forests each hunting season - that's a number ten times the Aussie Defence Force - and not a few of em with some traditional huntin' libations for the downtime. Yet, strangely, we never read of disgruntled hunters shooting up each other, do we?

The fact is if the type of guns available to the public where limited (do you need a semi automatic to hunt? No), stricter licensing and more controls the number of gun crimes would drop as it has in countries that have introduced these conditions

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I'm sorry spidapig, your posts make no sense to me. It's like you are talking with yourself about a country in your imagination called 'America.'

oracle

You think the wording of that statement might have something to do with him not being Middle Eastern or Muslim? A most likely Catholic Mexican immigrant just can't be a terrorist?

Or maybe the killer is one of the guys the ATF (at the direction of our lunatic AG, Eric Holder) picked to provide high powered automatic weapons to various Mexican drug cartels.

Try a search of "Gunwalker" or "Fast and Furious".

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BreitbartVictorious

I'm sorry spidapig, your posts make no sense to me. It's like you are talking with yourself about a country in your imagination called 'America.'

Sorry do you need me to type smaller words for you?

You are blaming drugs (in particular Prozac) for the increase in gun murders correct? After all you said "l am inclined to believe that recently it is the the proliferation of powerful anti-depressants like Prozac" I am merely pointing out that regardless of your cause (Prozac) if guns were not available to just about everyone then these instances (Prozac or not) would be fewer and less deadly.

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I'm against guns, but to me the problem is that people don't know how to have a civilized conversation about them.

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Why would a society want to hand out lethal firepower to people who have been medicated for mental illness?

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Why would a society want to hand out lethal firepower to people who have been medicated for mental illness?

Good question. If ever solved maybe we will then muster the moral courage to examine our demented immigration policy, also a factor in this tragedy.

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@Breitbart

Good question. If ever solved maybe we will then muster the moral courage to examine our demented immigration policy, also a factor in this tragedy.

Right, because good ol' home-grown white, Protestant homicidal lunatics are so much more civilised than immigrant, Catholic, Hispanic homicidal lunatics....

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BreitbartVictorious

Good question. If ever solved maybe we will then muster the moral courage to examine our demented immigration policy, also a factor in this tragedy.

So its the drugs and the immigrants, could it possibly be the gun nut nature of the US or the fact that guns are so easy to come by or maybe the fact that your country is just screwed up. Nah blame the drugs and immigrants easier than taking a long hard look at yourself as a nation l guess

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Noliving, here is some sensible legislation for you that the NRA is blocking right now, as we type. Assembly Bill 809 a gun registration bill. What is so wrong with gun registration?

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Good question. If ever solved maybe we will then muster the moral courage to examine our demented immigration policy, also a factor in this tragedy.

WAIT A MINUTE HERE! Immigration has something to do with this murder? That is the most insane breach of logic I have ever seen on these boards, and that's saying something.

You explain to me how illegal immigration has anything to do with this. I'll get the popcorn and a beer. It'll be a good story.

Taka

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The fact is if the type of guns available to the public where limited (do you need a semi automatic to hunt? No), stricter licensing and more controls the number of gun crimes would drop as it has in countries that have introduced these conditions

Actually if you look at murder rates in countries like Australia, the U.K, and other heavily controlled nations the murder rate wasn’t significantly impacted by the implementation of strict gun control laws. In most nations, U.S included, murder rates have been on a steady decline for decades even before the implementation of gun control legislation. The Australian government has even admitted that their own bans have not had a significant effect of violent crime.

Australia: a massive buyback of low-risk guns. Evaluating Gun Policy: Effects on Crime and Violence. The Brookings Institution, Washington.

Violent crime has been on the decline across the board whether it’s in the U.S, Europe, or Australia. The decline has actually been sharper in the U.S despite its loosening gun control legislation. The U.S still has a higher murder rate, that’s not in dispute, but it has always had a higher murder rate even when gun control in the U.S ad Europe were comparable in the early 20th century. A more diverse nation is bound to have more conflict within its borders simply due to the conflict that actually arises when differing cultures are forced to coexist.

Assembly Bill 809

Long guns are used in an incredible minority of gun crimes, less than 4%, the registration program would cost millions of dollars to both taxpayers to set up the long gun registry and the gun owners that would have to register them and would not likely have any impact on gun crime.

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educating spidapig

So its the drugs and the immigrants, could it possibly be the gun nut nature of the US or the fact that guns are so easy to come by or maybe the fact that your country is just screwed up. Nah blame the drugs and immigrants easier than taking a long hard look at yourself as a nation l guess

Nevada's gun laws are Nevada's. Hard to explain to an ignorant Ocker.

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Excuse me breitbart, but I'm still waiting for your explanation on how this tragedy has anything to do with illegal immigration.

C'mon, man up. Tell us all a tale. We're all around the campfire, the smores are cooked and dripping from our sticky fingers and we're all waiting with baited breath to hear the tale of how this multiple murder has ANYTHING to do with illegal immigration.

Tell us a story, breitbart. Please. I'm asking nice.

Taka

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Let's look at New York , over the Labor Day Weekend - -

An outbreak of shootings across New York City over Labor Day weekend - including three at the annual West Indian Day parade in Brooklyn - has left more than 40 people injured and five dead.

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Eight people were shot at a backyard party in the Bronx neighborhood of Williamsbridge on Sunday around 3:30 a.m, the New York Times reports. The wounded included an 11 - year-old boy and two girls, ages 13 and 14, Police suspected a 17 - year-old was the shooter, and they were looking for him.

Four men were shot at a barbecue in Brooklyn's East Flatbush neighborhood early Monday morning, NBC News reports. One of the victims, 17 - year - old Tyrief Gary, died.

New York City has much stricter gun laws than Nevada....

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@Breitbart

But why compare Nevada to New York? Why not a comparison with Tokyo or Berlin or Sydney, where the gun-control laws are actually strict enough to mean something? How many people shot dead over the weekend in those three cities?

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Breitbart originally brought up drugs prescribed for mental illness as a factor behind a lot of shootings. When asked what kind of society allows lethal firepower to be put into the hands of people being drugged for mental illness, he shifted the topic to immigration.

Now we see the racist code words of "Obama's America." What does this really mean? The clue comes with the statement "who is killing who" in "Obama's America." Combined with the obsession over illegal immigrants, the stuff reads like typical Klan drivel.

For the record, it is perfectly OK to discuss the statistics of violent crimes as they pertain to race and ethnicity in the United States. About the only ones who don't feel OK about it are the ones who know they generally hate members of another race or ethnic group and would risk being found out in the course of such an open discussion. Indeed, their racism causes them to pretend that such discussions are somehow suppressed in a country that happens to have a black president, effectively projecting their own hatred onto others.

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An AK47 can fire 500+ rounds per minute with just one pull of the trigger.

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Let's look at New York , over the Labor Day Weekend - -

An outbreak of shootings across New York City over Labor Day weekend - including three at the annual West Indian Day parade in Brooklyn - has left more than 40 people injured and five dead.

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Eight people were shot at a backyard party in the Bronx neighborhood of Williamsbridge on Sunday around 3:30 a.m, the New York Times reports. The wounded included an 11 - year-old boy and two girls, ages 13 and 14, Police suspected a 17 - year-old was the shooter, and they were looking for him.

Four men were shot at a barbecue in Brooklyn's East Flatbush neighborhood early Monday morning, NBC News reports. One of the victims, 17 - year - old Tyrief Gary, died.

New York City has much stricter gun laws than Nevada....

New York City also has a population of 8,175,133. Nevada has a population of 2,700,551....spread out over an entire state.

Do you have a single argument that makes sense?

Taka

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Where I live the ability to acquire and possess a firearm is extremely restricted, especially in the case of handguns. There is a mandatory 10 day waiting period to just get a permit to acquire. During those 10 days the prospective gun buyer is subjected to extensive background checks including criminal and mental health records, both locally and nationally. Any felony conviction, drug sale conviction, domestic violence conviction and even an acquittal based on mental impairment disqualifies the prospective buyer. Any history of mental illness that is deemed relevant by the national Psychiatric Association standards is also grounds for disqualification. If the buyer has ever been the subject of a temporary restraining order, they are disqualified. In fact it is much easier to be disqualified than it is to be qualified.

This applies to all firearms; rifles, shotguns and handguns. In the case of handguns the prospective buyer must also successfully complete a mandatory series of classes that cover firearm safety and the pertinent laws concerning ownership, storage and transporting. A separate permit to acquire is required for each handgun to be purchased. There is also a time limit on the validity of the permit.

When and if the gun buyer passes all the required mandates and acquires the firearm it must be registered immediately with the local police department. Any subsequent circumstances that would have disqualified the potential buyer from obtaining a permit to acquire will disqualify them from ownership and any firearms they possess will be confiscated.

By the way, I live in the United States.

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By the way, I live in the United States.

The fact that you can buy a handgun told us that. I can't buy one where I live. If you want to stop these type of killings disqualify everyone from owning handguns. Simple.

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Where I live the ability to acquire and possess a firearm is extremely restricted, especially in the case of handguns. ...By the way, I live in the United States.

It is misleading not to mention that the restrictions you brought up are unique to your state and are not likely to apply to the laws of many other states.

In Georgia, a lot of the restrictions you mentioned are not the law. Everyone in Georgia lives in the United States.

So what was your point?

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Crimes with illegal firearms are the real issue. It's not fair to the legal owners that went through all the steps to acquire their gun(s) for whatever reason they want them. Why give the criminals another advantage? Blind statements like, "ban all guns" and "Europeans are more civil." are perhaps the most ignorant things you could say on this matter. Gun control is fine, and it is already in place for those of us that follow the law. Gun control means nothing to those that don't obey laws. As for civility and stability? There are unstable people everywhere (most recently Europe, England riots, Norwegian shootings) and the best thing we can do is try not to be in the area when they go off. We can't blindly take away freedoms because of random acts. What is the deterrent to the criminal? Police? Please.

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TheQuestionSep. 07, 2011 - 10:43PM JST

Assembly Bill 809 Long guns are used in an incredible minority of gun crimes, less than 4%, the registration program would cost millions of dollars to both taxpayers to set up the long gun registry and the gun owners that would have to register them and would not likely have any impact on gun crime.

So where would you like the gun registry to start? I was happy to see it start somewhere. My guess is, you want it to start nowhere. Register cars? No complaint. Register guns! Oh hell no! What kind of logic is that?

Anyway, you asked for a specific law the NRA was blocking, and there it is. And you support the block on the idea it won't do anything? Too funny. What is to be so scared of if it won't do anything? Oh, yeah. Those millions of dollars. Whose life could possibly be worth that much?

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Gun control means nothing to those that don't obey laws.

That means all laws are useless. Every last one. So just throw them all out! The crims won't follow them anyway!

The control in gun control will never be perfect. But partial control is better than none.

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BreitbartVictorious

educating spidapig "So its the drugs and the immigrants, could it possibly be the gun nut nature of the US or the fact that guns are so easy to come by or maybe the fact that your country is just screwed up. Nah blame the drugs and immigrants easier than taking a long hard look at yourself as a nation l guess" Nevada's gun laws are Nevada's. Hard to explain to an ignorant Ocker.

Wow dont you get nasty when someone pulls you up on a stup1d comment. I might be an "ignorant Ocker" (which l would gladly be anyday if the alternative was being anything like you), but at least l dont go around blaming prescription drugs and the immigration policy for mass killings. Really who is the ignorant one? Mirror my friend.

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Killer had mental health problems. Why was he allowed into the country and granted citizenship?

Was he medicated? An internet search of [ anti-depressants and school shootings ] returns some disturbing info, and the case material described is not restricted to the US.

Why was a weapons license offered to such a person?

If the perp was Mexican and his victims white how is it this does not qualify as a 'hate crime'? We all know that if it was the other way around 'liberal' politicians would be blaming Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachman.

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Mental heath problems can occur after he entered the country and got citizenship.

Nor sure why he wasn't red-flagged once diagnosed and his licence wasn't suspended and the weapons confiscated.

Now this is an area where the USA is truly lacking and I am fully aware that this is due to the existing privacy laws.

Noticed a few times that constitutional rights overwrite laws that should be there and acted upon to protect citizens.

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BreitbartVictorious

Killer had mental health problems. Why was he allowed into the country and granted citizenship?

Those damned immigrants with their mental issues coming into the good old US of A and killing our people. Oh wait hasnt there also been a good number of Americans that do the same? Timothy McVey for example now we cant blame the immigration policy for that one can we?

Why was a weapons license offered to such a person?

More importantly why the hell does ANYONE need an AK-47, seriously why are weapons like this even available to the public in the first place. I know, I know, ya neva know when the Russkies will invade right?

If the perp was Mexican and his victims white how is it this does not qualify as a 'hate crime'?

YAWN yeah definately a hate crime just like every time a white guns down a black, or a black guns down a hispanic definately a hate crime

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More importantly why the hell does ANYONE need an AK-47, seriously why are weapons like this even available to the public in the first place.

Maybe it was ATF issue, part of the Obama - Holder "Fast and Furious" project...

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Maybe the killer was a foot soldier for La Raza. Maybe James Hoffa's hate speech put him over the edge. We'll never know and the media aren't interested. He drove almost 30 miles to carry out his pre-meditated mass murder and had a cache of weapons with him.

Sencion was born in Mexico and had a valid U.S. passport.

But was he a naturalized US citizen? A lot of illegals have passports.

Fishy story. Only certainty is that the MSM will do their most to bury anything that would put in a bad light Obama and Dems project of granting amnesty to 20 million illegals in the US.

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OK, breitbart, you've gone from this being about prescription drugs to illegal immigration and now you have to throw the race card.

How desperate are you?

You make no sense.

Taka

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32-year-old Sencion was a serious drain on U.S. taxpayers. Then he had to go and kill three other people before putting himself out of his misery.

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So where would you like the gun registry to start? I was happy to see it start somewhere.

There is already a registry for handguns in California as there is in most states. Additionally there is already a Federal registry for Title II weapons so I don’t know where you’re getting this idea that there are no firearm registry programs.

Register cars? No complaint. Register guns! Oh hell no! What kind of logic is that?

There is on constitutional right to vehicles. Gun laws are subject to tests of undue burden and the courts have already stuck down a variety of gun related programs.

What is to be so scared of if it won't do anything? Oh, yeah. Those millions of dollars. Whose life could possibly be worth that much?

Problem is it’s vey unlikely that a log gun registration would save anybody. Money is a factor as well, California is flat broke. If anything California is a poster child for how most firearm legislation doesn’t work considering its high crime rate.

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Breitbart,

The guy had no criminal record or recorded history of mental illness.

Do you even read these articles or just jump right in to the comments with your hate speech?

What would you propose, exactly? Forcing everyone with brown skin who wants to enter the country to take a mental health exam?

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My only question is how did this man get the guns? We know what he did with it, but where and who did he get them from?

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