People comfort each other as they stand near a business building where a shooting occurred in Orange, Calif, on Wednesday night. Photo: AP/Jae C Hong
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4 dead, including child, in Orange, California office building shooting

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Just another day on a society with hundreds of millions of guns with easy access to them.

21 ( +25 / -4 )

Wow, a mass shooting in America. How unusual.

18 ( +23 / -5 )

smh.

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RIP young person and innocents killed. Another day in the US where the death toll from the guns pandemic continues to rise.

The shooter's right to own the weapon used to commit this latest murder will be defended by Ted Cruz and other extremists supporting the obscenely profitable guns and ammo industries as they they attack and demean those who even question any aspect of gun ownership while they try to block attempts to even discuss changes to gun laws.

And once again Americans who do NOT own guns will pick up the police and emergency response costs.

18 ( +20 / -2 )

Giant Haystacks

Wow, a mass shooting in America. How unusual.

I assume it is pretty unusual. Dont most people go through their lives without running into such a situation?

But if the media selectively reports incidents in in a country of 300 million, an uncritical consumer would think it is usual.

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I guess the lockdowns stopped their shootings and now with vaccines they're free to kill each other again. What a messed up country.

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@SuperLib But you already know, that guns don’t target and mass shoot themselves, only those crazy people with their still jungle mindset shoot for no reason, if they’ve got access to guns, which was allowed starting with MLK and such in last century? No? Now I taught you...lol

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I assume it is pretty unusual. Dont most people go through their lives without running into such a situation?

You assume wrong. There's a mass shooting in the states practically everyday.

12 ( +16 / -4 )

My sympathies to the families who lost their loved ones in another senseless shooting.

My disgust at the cowardly lawmakers who refuse to pass laws limiting gun access just because it suits their bigoted ideologies!!!!

14 ( +17 / -3 )

Another great victory for the GOP and the NRA.

11 ( +18 / -7 )

Horrific.

And most of these massacres could be avoided, or scaled down if it wasn't so easy to get hold of guns.

But the gun cultists will fight tooth and nail to ensure the right to murder is sacrosanct and above all else.

7 ( +12 / -5 )

but they did it, surely an intelligent, forward thinking, developed nation like USA can do it too

As this is a serious and tragic story, I'll take it that your statement couldn't possibly be tongue in cheek...

6 ( +8 / -2 )

an intelligent, forward thinking, developed nation like USA 

One out of three ain't bad.

7 ( +10 / -3 )

Thoughts and prayers...again.

7 ( +8 / -1 )

As usual the JT right-wing brigade remain silent on these stories.

0 ( +10 / -10 )

Thoughts and Prayers again....or just do nothing. Same result.

6 ( +9 / -3 )

If you have the right to defend yourself, it follows that you must also have the right to use any available tools, without violating the rights of others. Arms are tools.

Any restriction of the right to bear the tools of self defense is an infringement of the right of self defense. 

Is this right limited to one’s home or does it extend beyond one’s home? You think the laws of a country say you can protect yourself only while you’re at home?

-7 ( +5 / -12 )

But if the media selectively reports incidents in in a country of 300 million, an uncritical consumer would think it is usual.

This is so very true. But it's still sad nonetheless.

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I assume it is pretty unusual. Dont most people go through their lives without running into such a situation?

But if the media selectively reports incidents in in a country of 300 million, an uncritical consumer would think it is usual.

There were 611 mass shootings in 2020. Hardly unusual when there are almost 2 per day.

 19,380 people died by gun violence in 2020, not including suicides.

And you think the media should just sweep this under the rug?

https://abcnews.go.com/US/graphics-story-mass-shootings-pandemic/story?id=76628491

11 ( +13 / -2 )

It's time to change this archaic law about 'the right to carry weapons', Japan had a rough transition to get rid of the sword, but they did it, surely an intelligent, forward thinking, developed nation like USA can do it too

The difference is, Japanese don't protest. And they are more peaceful.

In the US, you have violent gun-wielding people that like to protest. I don't even want to think about what they would do if someone tried to take away their guns, but it would put the capitol riots to shame for sure.

2 ( +6 / -4 )

It's California, so there probably wasn't a good guy with a gun nearby to be able to take out the shooter quickly. If this were Texas, it might have been over more quickly. Everybody needs a good guy with a gun quickly in situations like this.

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I am American. I have lived in Japan for 20 years. I can understand now how America is a gun loving society. Guns are part of our culture. The movies make is cool to have a gun. Women in New York actually have cute pink guns that fit in their bags. I am not against owning a gun, but I do not agree to having one just to have one. Now, I feel that everyone in America needs to put down their guns. Look at Canada. A lot more peaceful than America and they are right there. I guess we need to have a more stringent strict policy to have a gun in America. Or, we should make all the bad people get out of America. No easy answers. But guns need to be either abolished or make it more strict to own one and hard sentences if you have one illegally. I love America, but the gun thing. Not good.

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if the media selectively reports incidents in in a country of 300 million, an uncritical consumer would think it is usual.

If the media didn't have such a plethora of incidents to choose from, they'd have nothing to report.

On the other hand, when mass shootings become everyday fare, they're no longer news.

Any restriction of the right to bear the tools of self defense is an infringement of the right of self defense.

Yeah, that child made the big mistake of going out without being tooled up and able to defend him/herself against all comers. Total disregard for the constitooshun if you ask me. (rolls eyes)

It amazes me that so many Americans see what is happening in their country and they think the only way to fix it is more of the same.

smh in sadness and pity.

12 ( +15 / -3 )

The GOP Gun-Virus is devolving this nation even as we speak.

How much more of this nonsense can you guys take before effective gun control and safety legislation is enacted? Heart felt condolences.

3 ( +9 / -6 )

How much more of this nonsense can you guys take before effective gun control and safety legislation is enacted? Heart felt condolences.

We have enough gun laws on the books, they just need to be aggressively enforced and once that happens, you will see some of these gun crimes go down.

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The difference is, Japanese don't protest. And they are more peaceful.

Apart from the Sanrizuka resistance.

And the Sunagawa resistance.

Zenkyoto and Todau riots.

The Rice Riots... and many, many more.

But yes, we are very very lucky that guns do not play a prominent part in Japanese life and culture.

1 ( +5 / -4 )

Todai, sorry. Not Todau!

4 ( +4 / -0 )

you will see some of these gun crimes go down.

Yes, but not for a, ahem, certain demographic they won't.

-4 ( +6 / -10 )

Yes, but not for a, ahem, certain demographic they won't.

True.

-9 ( +3 / -12 )

 they just need to be aggressively enforced and once that happens,

Stop it. You know full well if any effort is made to enforce gun laws you and the other gun extremists will threaten 'second civil war is coming'

Everybody needs a good guy with a gun

Another myth. John Wayne movies were not real.

7 ( +11 / -4 )

Gun control is common sense. How long is the GOP going to look the other way while Americans keep killing each other?

4 ( +7 / -3 )

 an intelligent, forward thinking, developed nation like USA

Certainly there are intelligent, forward thinking and cultured people in the U.S.A. 

But are also a very large number who are from the other end of the evolutionary ladder!

7 ( +9 / -2 )

Can someone point to me to any examples of a "good guy with a gun" preventing a mass shooting?

Seeing as there were 417 mass shootings in the US in 2019, there should at least be 450 prevented mass shootings for the "good guy with a gun" argument to make any sort of sense whatsoever. And yet I can't find even 10.

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Jsapc

Can someone point to me to any examples of a "good guy with a gun" preventing a mass shooting?

I read plenty of examples like that.

Actually, in Israel, with both a well-armed population and a high risk of terrorism, this is a fairly typical story.

-8 ( +3 / -11 )

P. Smith

Totally. The media should report on everything from traffic conditions in every major city to politics to murders because that's both reasonable and doable.

No, the media naturally selects the more drastic stories. In addition, the American media promotes the incidents that support the narrative and buries the ones that don´t. You can pretty safely predict which it is depending on the identiy of the shooter and victim.

What is naive is to form an image of reality based on what the media presents, without looking at actual numbers.

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I read plenty of examples like that.

Can you give ten examples from the past year?

Actually, in Israel, with both a well-armed population and a high risk of terrorism, this is a fairly typical story.

In Israel, you need to apply for a license for a gun, and must pass a test to keep your license every three years. Do you think this is a good idea?

Additionally, do you think that 237,000 private firearm owners and 154,000 armed security guards, making up 0.04% of Israel's population of 9 million is "well-armed"?

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Stop it. You know full well if any effort is made to enforce gun laws you and the other gun extremists will threaten 'second civil war is coming'

No, not in the crime-ridden cities of America, of course, the majority of Americans or law-abiding gun owners wouldn't object.

Another myth. John Wayne movies were not real.

Not for the people that live in rural America, not a myth at all.

-4 ( +6 / -10 )

I will one-up the usual liberal position of stronger gun laws and say that America has long since passed the point where they should have lost the privilege of gun ownership. The second amendment is, at best, outdated. Unless people are advocating for private ownership of military-grade hardware, which some nutters probably are, nobody is overthrowing a tyrannical government with their handguns.

Children are literally dying in the streets and their schools and neither major american political party is willing to do jack about it.

Sadly if any of that was going to happen, it would have happened already. Instead, teachers and students are having to practice school shooter drills because America simply doesn't care about their lives.

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How long is the GOP going to look the other way while Americans keep killing each other?

Tell that to the Democrats that preside over their crime-ridden cities, how about dealing with reality where the most dangerous cities are. Philly, Oakland, St. Louis, Detroit, Compton, Baltimore, DC all of these cities are run by Democrats and these people want Republicans to clean up their mess? When they do that then the left screams the right is being racist and heavy-handed, so no, let the Democrats deal with their voting constituents and enforce the laws that are already on the books.

-9 ( +5 / -14 )

California has universal background checks, an “assault weapons” ban, firearm registration requirements, a ten-day waiting period on gun purchases, a red flag law, a limit in the number of guns a law-abiding citizen can buy in a given month, a ban on campus carry for self-defense, a ban on K-12 teachers being armed for classroom defense, and controls on the sale of ammunition.

But, the laws are only effective for normal law-abiding citizens. Chicago has some of the most stringent firearms laws, yet the street thugs are unrestrained.

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I read plenty of examples like that.

Please give us at least 10 examples.

Actually, in Israel, with both a well-armed population and a high risk of terrorism, this is a fairly typical story.

Isreal is not particularly "well-armed". There's about 2.5 licensed gun owners for 100 people. 290,000 guns for a population of 9 million.

7 ( +7 / -0 )

In due time the identity of the shooter will be revealed. Until then, how about not jumping to conclusions?

The Colorado supermarket shooter turned out to be a "certain ethnicity", and then the media dropped the story like a hot potato because it didn't fit their favorite narrative.

How about the nice Virginia Beach shooters? That story disappeared. Or the nice young girls who beat the Uber driver to death in DC and CNN called it "an accident"?

-6 ( +4 / -10 )

Percent of murders involving firearms in the U.S. in 2019, by state

Texas is up there at 77.16%

For the largest State, but the numbers are overall smaller when you look at the minority cities given their number population status.

-7 ( +2 / -9 )

If guns are taken away from the hands of law abiding citizens in the US then it will turn into a third world hellhole just like my country where only criminals and well connected folks who can bend the laws own guns, leaving the rest of the people to depend on corrupt useless cops to save their lives should such a situation arise. People such as myself who are staunch advocates of gun rights look up to the US because we know how precious the second amendment is to the gun loving patriots in the US, and we hope that our common citizens will one day become enlightened enough to demand the same rights from our corrupt and unscrupulous lawmakers.

-9 ( +3 / -12 )

Wow. That's right next to my hometown. California has relatively strict gun laws, but it boarders gun-loving Nevada, so gun nuts can pick up a semi-automatic on their trips to Vegas and bring it back to Los Angeles in a couple of hours.

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Can someone point to me to any examples of a "good guy with a gun" preventing a mass shooting?

It's rare. Trump NRA 2A evangelicals own guns just because they like guns the way children like toys. Proof is they come to Japan but gladly leave their guns home while living in Japan gunless. You might meet them in a bar and they talk about how great their fully automatic weapons are (back half way around then country).

5 ( +8 / -3 )

If guns are taken away from the hands of law abiding citizens in the US then it will turn into a third world hellhole just like my country where only criminals and well connected folks who can bend the laws own guns

Where are you from?

5 ( +6 / -1 )

Philly, Oakland, St. Louis, Detroit, Compton, Baltimore, DC all of these cities are run by Democrats and these people want Republicans to clean up their mess?

Interesting you left out Memphis, Little Rock or Kansas CIty but did include Compton, a city that has now a lower crime rate than Anchorage, Alaska. Why did you include Compton?

8 ( +9 / -1 )

In due time the identity of the shooter will be revealed. Until then, how about not jumping to conclusions?

The Colorado supermarket shooter turned out to be a "certain ethnicity", and then the media dropped the story like a hot potato because it didn't fit their favorite narrative.

How about the nice Virginia Beach shooters? That story disappeared. Or the nice young girls who beat the Uber driver to death in DC and CNN called it "an accident"?

Whatever you're tryin to say, it's of course completely irrelevant, but can you at least have the courage of clearly saying it, instead of trying to imply with your "quotes" and false innuendos?

6 ( +8 / -2 )

Interesting you left out Memphis, Little Rock or Kansas CIty

No, I didn’t forget, I’m talking the most violent cities in the country under Democrats with the largest minority communities as for the others, they’re bad, but not as bad as Chicago or DC that’s a fact. So how many died in Chicago so far this year?

but did include Compton, a city that has now a lower crime rate than Anchorage,

but given the size of the black community in that city, it’s very high, not as high as it was in the 80s, but still very high and you don’t see people flocking to move to Compton. There’s a reason.

-7 ( +4 / -11 )

NPR is saying the shooter was taken to hospital 'in critical condition'.

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/01/983301503/4-killed-in-shooting-at-office-building-in-california

3 ( +3 / -0 )

"Another great victory for the GOP and the NRA."

Except for the fact that Dems have controlled Cali for the last 40 years.

Dems hold a majority in Congress and the Presidency.

Out of the last 70 years Dems controlled congress for 60 and the presidency for 30.

With that they couldn't pass their gun control agenda? Guess they weren't trying hard enough.

But by all means keep sharing your enlightened comments.

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