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I guess that means those 64+ million gun owners aren't using their guns incorrectly then huh?

That should be:

I guess that means those 64+ million gun owners aren't using their guns correctly then huh?

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Yes, if a knife were to hit a major artery, then you would die. But I'm sure if a gun were to go off at a major artery at point-blank range (maybe not even at point blank range), that death would occur as well. So what's your point?

Hmm lets see here:

but using the "knives are just as deadly as guns" rant just doesn't hold water.

Then this is what I said:

Ah yes it does, if someone accidentally stabs themselves in an artery or the heart it definitely is just as deadly. Overall Guns are more deadly then knives but there are certain parts of the body where if stabbed such as the heart or the arteries are basically just as deadly.

Now please tell me again how you don't know what my point is.

I realized that there were many more cases where people were killed by guns in muggings, robberies, and assaults than by knives, even though a knife was a more common choice of weapon. Turns out that more people who were robbed, attempted to be robbed, or assaulted lived, whereas those who were robbed or assaulted with a gun usually didn't.

Really? Lets see here there are around 10K homicides, excluding suicides here, with guns and there are around 150K+ injured by guns. It appears based off of those stats provided by the FBI and US department of justice that the majority of peopled robbed, attempted to be robbed or assaulted with a gun lived.

However, in nearly all cases, those stabbed lived.

Over 90% of people shot by a gun in the US live. So what is your point?

Recently, there was even a case of a crazy lunatic who stabbed himself 40-50 times and even had his intestines coming out of his body, yet he somehow lived.

You got a link? Because I can't find it with a google search of stabbed 40-50 times and lives.

Had he shot himself 40-50 times, I seriously doubt he would have lived.

22 caliber bullet and you don't hit any major organs or arteries or in other words just flesh wounds ya someone could shoot themselves 40-50 and still live.

The point is that guns were made for one reason, and that is to kill. It may have a place in hunting, the military, or law enforcement, but it has no place in civilians' hands.

Hunting is in a civilian hands.....

Just because they are designed to kill doesn't mean they have to be used that way, target shooters for example. Target shooting, hunting, collecting, self-defense are all valid reasons for a civilian to have one. If the argument is that civilians can't have one then there is no need for law enforcement to have them either. There are over 65+ million gun owners in the US yet there are on average 10k+ homicides each year. I guess that means those 64+ million gun owners aren't using their guns incorrectly then huh?

For every homicide committed by a gun owner there are 6,500 gun owners that don't kill anyone. For something that is design to kill that is pretty remarkable that it takes thousands of gun owners to just increase the death by 1.

Freakashow go to a gun range and fire some guns, you'll see why people shoot guns.

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there are certain parts of the body where if stabbed such as the heart or the arteries are basically just as deadly.

Yes, if a knife were to hit a major artery, then you would die. But I'm sure if a gun were to go off at a major artery at point-blank range (maybe not even at point blank range), that death would occur as well. So what's your point? Oh, and to fill your need, I did google "accidental stabbings" and did come up with several cases. However, in nearly all cases, those stabbed lived. Recently, there was even a case of a crazy lunatic who stabbed himself 40-50 times and even had his intestines coming out of his body, yet he somehow lived. Had he shot himself 40-50 times, I seriously doubt he would have lived. The point is that guns were made for one reason, and that is to kill. It may have a place in hunting, the military, or law enforcement, but it has no place in civilians' hands.

By the way, in all my googling, I realized that there were many more cases where people were killed by guns in muggings, robberies, and assaults than by knives, even though a knife was a more common choice of weapon. Turns out that more people who were robbed, attempted to be robbed, or assaulted lived, whereas those who were robbed or assaulted with a gun usually didn't.

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Noliving: I did, and it turned up one ... just one stabbing death of a Seattle man who was banging on the door with a knife in hand and trying to bust in.

What is your point about the stabbing death? This is what you said:

I've never heard of anyone accidentally stabbing themselves and landing themselves in the hospital by carrying a pocketknife. But I sure have heard many stories of people accidentally shooting themselves, or accidentally shooting a loved one, with a gun.

No where are you talking about accidental stabbing deaths, your just talking about accidental stabbings.

I told you to google accidental stabbings, not just accidental stabbing deaths exclusively. In fact according to you you never heard of anyone accidentally stabbing themselves. Just do a google search for accidental stabbing.

but using the "knives are just as deadly as guns" rant just doesn't hold water

Ah yes it does, if someone accidentally stabs themselves in an artery or the heart it definitely is just as deadly. If for example you accidentally stab yourself in the jugular vein I would be very surprised if you survived that. Overall Guns are more deadly then knives but there are certain parts of the body where if stabbed such as the heart or the arteries are basically just as deadly.

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Do a google search for accident stabbing or stabbing death and you'll get plenty of news stories.

Noliving: I did, and it turned up one ... just one stabbing death of a Seattle man who was banging on the door with a knife in hand and trying to bust in. When the neighbor opened it, the man holding the knife intending to do harm ended up getting stabbed. Seems to me like poetic justice (and stupidity). Under that story, there were a ton of links to "accidental GUN deaths". Even google seems to be only able to turn up one stabbing death and many gun deaths. I guess that proves that while there is one story of an accidental knife death on the web, there are much more gun deaths on the web (not to mention the ones on the news) than knife deaths. Considering there are more knives in the world than guns (at least common sense would lead you to believe so), why is it that there are more accidental deaths by guns than by a knife? Heck, accidental death by knife doesn't even turn up on any "top ten accidental deaths in the U.S." lists. Guns on the other hand, was always in there with between 1,000 and 1,500 per year. Sure, you're more likely to die in a car crash, falling down, or in a fire, but using the "knives are just as deadly as guns" rant just doesn't hold water.

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Handguns are easily obtained and concealed. As in the nut in this article who murdered five.

No more easily obtained then Rifles or shotguns so that point is mute. That is the real issue that you have with handguns compared to rifles or shotguns, their concealability.

Even sorn shotguns are not easily hidden.

No not as easily but it can be done with a long coat.

I support the right to own rifles for hunting and even self defence. Handguns are for killin'.

That is a pathetic argument. Hunting rifles are more deadly than handguns. in fact the term hunt means to pursue and kill. So your against people owning handguns for self defense but you are perfectly ok with people owning and using hunting rifles for self defense even though hunting rifles are designed to kill, more so then hand guns, and when they are used to they are more likely to kill the person being shot and not only that but they are more likely to go through the target and keep going, raising the risk of collateral damage or death compared to handguns.

I've never heard of anyone accidentally stabbing themselves and landing themselves in the hospital by carrying a pocketknife. But I sure have heard many stories of people accidentally shooting themselves, or accidentally shooting a loved one, with a gun.

Freakashow, that is because your TV news doesn't talk about accidental stabbings. Do a google search for accident stabbing or stabbing death and you'll get plenty of news stories. Stop using TV news as your only news source.

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Whoever tries to argue that guns are not weapons is a fool, that's what they were intended for. Whoever tries to argue that removing guns removes crime is also a fool. In Chicago, they eased gun laws and murders went down by 14%. In Washington after gun laws were eased, other crimes besides murder related to guns have dropped significantly as well, with robbery by gun decreasing by 25% for example. Taking away people's guns makes them defenseless and vulnerable to attack. Remember that. Who would a robber target, a man with a shotgun or one without a weapon?

In Switzerland, about 1/3 of the population have gun ownership but have some of the lowest gun-related crime rates in the world. Half of Finland's population has a gun also but gun-related crime is relatively low also. This story however, is one of the pitfalls of having guns, when people with mental illnesses get access to them, it gives them the power to kill more than if they had just used a knife.

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Elbuda, I agree with you, in general, and especially about an extreme self-defence scenario. But many people don't have the training or experience.

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Guns were made to kill. Pure and simple. I've never heard of anyone accidentally stabbing themselves and landing themselves in the hospital by carrying a pocketknife. But I sure have heard many stories of people accidentally shooting themselves, or accidentally shooting a loved one, with a gun. Fact is, rates of accidental deaths by firearms are more common than accidental deaths by knives.

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"they are not as lethal"

Jesus, what do you want to protect yourself, a sten-gun?

Handguns are easily obtained and concealed. As in the nut in this article who murdered five.

Even sorn shotguns are not easily hidden.

I support the right to own rifles for hunting and even self defence. Handguns are for killin'.

I rest my case.

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Access to handguns should be restricted to people who genuinely need them. It's just common sense. They exist only for killing at close range, which is exactly what they're used for.

Why is it common sense? Wouldn't a hand gun be the ideal gun for the public to own considering they are not as lethal as rifles and shotguns nor do they have the lethal range as rifles and shotguns. Shotguns are more lethal at longer ranges then handguns and then you factor that for most people self defense is for defending themselves in their home which would be close quarters combat....

Woudln't it also be common sense that if you ban handguns the criminals would just go to sawed off shotguns or just shotguns and or rifles? In other words they would just go to a more powerful gun.

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(yawn) whatever noliving.

Access to handguns should be restricted to people who genuinely need them. It's just common sense. They exist only for killing at close range, which is exactly what they're used for.

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Raa-ight (not really)! We heard this NRA campaign, " gun does not kill, but people kill" over and over.

Well can you prove that a gun will start firing on its own without any outside of intervention? I mean can you show that if I leave a gun on a table and no one touches it that it will just start firing all by itself? I mean by your argument knives should have the ability to just get up and start stabbing people or cars just randomely start up on their own, shift in to drive or reverse and start running people over......

People kill because the gun is too available. No anger management there. You go to Walmart, Kmart and you can still buy guns very easily.I know this as one of my friends is in "Gun Trigger Job". He can tell you how to get gun very easily.

People kill because they want to harm someone, if a person doesn't want to harm someone then what ever object they carry will not harm you. The availability of the object is irrelevant. If the issue is anger managment then why are you blaming the gun? Take away the gun but leave that person with no anger management, guess what your going to end up with? A murder done by different means.

Define very easily. You have to pass a background check at walmart or kmart or whatever store you are buying the firearm from before they will let you walk out of that store with a gun. And if that person is able to pass the background checks why shouldn't they be able to buy the gun?

Let me guess your friend is going to tell me to go to a store, hand over some information so that the store can validate that information with a background check to the FBI and or ATF which will then respond within a few minutes to several hours and if everything checks out they let you walk out of the store with your newly purchassed gun. That is not exactly a secret.

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NolivingMay. 31, 2012 - 10:14AM JST

When will the US learn to ban guns? Doesn't need to learn considering over 99.999% of gun owners never kill or harm anyone

Raa-ight (not really)! We heard this NRA campaign, " gun does not kill, but people kill" over and over.

People kill because the gun is too available. No anger management there. You go to Walmart, Kmart and you can still buy guns very easily.I know this as one of my friends is in "Gun Trigger Job". He can tell you how to get gun very easily.

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Umm, this sounds more like pure rhetoric. Obviously homicides period aren't the top cause of death in the US, since obviously death by car accidents, smoking, obesity, etc are going to be much higher. But the fact is that homicides with guns are much higher than homicides with non-guns.

Ummm no its not Rhetoric. There are around 10K or less homicides by guns in the US. There are around 65+ million gun owners that own around 300+ million guns. 10,000 divided by 65 million equals 0.000015 of gun owners will kill someone in a given year. In other words 99.999985% of gun owners will not kill anyone in a given year. When 99.999985% of gun owners don't kill someone with a gun that seems to suggest to me that we don't need to learn to ban guns. Seeing as the number of gun owner increases each year and the total number of guns increases each year and then you add that the total number of gun homicides for the past two decades have been falling as a trend also suggests to me that the US does not need to learn to ban guns.......So no not rhetoric

What is your point? I never said homicides are the top cause of death in the US. I said homicides are not a top 15 cause of death in the US. Which is kind of a big deal because that is the first time that has happened in 45 years. Up until a few years ago guns killed more then cars in the US so no its not obvious

Yes you are correct that guns make up around 66% of the weapon of choice when it comes to homicide. Was that ever in dispute? The good new though is that the total number of gun deaths including both suicides and homicides has been declining for pretty much the past two decades. I guess I'm failing to see your point with that little factoid.

And I wonder why Japan (or anywhere else in the developed world) has much less homicides per capita than the US...

Perhaps you can tell us why after you are done wondering.

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When will the US learn to ban guns?

tkoind2May. 31, 2012 - 09:18AM JST

@ikonid2, Yes, yes, yes. I am with you on this.

The Amendment 2 is nonsense in the 21st century. This is a time to let it go while the Republicans including Tea Party aggressively claim that the Amendment 2, a right to owning gun, is constitutional for every American.

This is deeply rooted in American history (wild west mentality) with National Rifle Association of America.

I will stay with the Democrat as long as the Republicans are with NRA. America needs to change to make this country as a better and safer place to live. Unless we take care of this moron Amendment 2, we will see more violence on the streets, school, and everywehre in America. Let's start advocating a gun control for a safety of Americans.

http://.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_States

National Rifle Association of America (NRA)

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Noliving:

Doesn't need to learn considering over 99.999% of gun owners never kill or harm anyone and if they do kill or harm the most likely person they kill or harm is themselves. Guns are not even a top 15 cause of death in the US. Your more likely to die from falling or alcohol related incident then you are to be murdered by a gun in the US.

Umm, this sounds more like pure rhetoric. Obviously homicides period aren't the top cause of death in the US, since obviously death by car accidents, smoking, obesity, etc are going to be much higher. But the fact is that homicides with guns are much higher than homicides with non-guns.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/weapons.cfm

Seriously that sounds more like typical pro-nuclear rhetoric...

Look at Japan, their suicide rate is higher than the combine homicide and suicide rate of the US and they don't even use guns to kill themselves.

And I wonder why Japan (or anywhere else in the developed world) has much less homicides per capita than the US...

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Herve, I was raised with guns, my father too, my grand father too, from the time of the Mexican Revolution and even before that, I do not like them, but screw that about having a conscience crap, if you have a scum bag invade your house in the middle of the night, and these scums are ready to rape you, your family, your dog while they are all laughing it up like some thing from that shitty movie Pulp Fiction, I assure you, a so called city dweller like me, and all my family will not think twice of blowing the face, head off this kind of intruder, it is my life or the worthless life of some drug crazed addict, easy choice, right?? Guns do not kill, sure! What ever, they do kill and this is how we Mexicans know how to survive and protect our families in bad parts of anytown USA, but down in Mexico way more dangerous, and the mafias all have the upper hand but that is another problem.

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But most people with any conscience couldn't squeeze the trigger in such a fearful situation.

What scientific evidence are you basing that off of? What studies do you have to back that up? I definately disagree with that statement. Do you honestly think the attackers in such a situation are any less fearful? That sounds a lot like the myth that like a quarter of soldiers in ww2 didn't fire they guns because of their conscience.

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Show, again I actually agree with you regarding better laws, not necessarily more laws. Some places, such as Massachusetts and DC have very strict anti-gun laws, particularly for handguns, but not really lower gun-murder stats. I have experience with guns of different varieties dating from my childhood on a farm, and hunting, and a very deep respect for the power therein. But raising and aiming at a human would have to be absolutely life-threatening(for my life), and an absolute last resort. One mistake people make is to get one "for self defense", usually city dwellers. But most people with any conscience couldn't squeeze the trigger in such a fearful situation. Instead, the assailant (with no conscience ) would take it and use it against the frightened owner. That's an even bigger danger for society, IMO. I don't support common ownership.

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"Homicide" is the killing of a Homo Sapiens, whether intentional or not. Try AGAIN.

I just thought you should also be aware fadamore but homicide is actually the deliberate killing of another person. In otherwords homicide is the intentional killing of another human being. As Nessie pointed out Suicide is not homicide and a non intentional killing of another homo sapien is not considered homicide.

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Are you even reading what is posted? He just TOLD you that deaths due to firearms is number 7 on the list. "Homicide" is the killing of a Homo Sapiens, whether intentional or not. Try AGAIN.

Yes I am reading what is posted, Homicide is murder of another human being. Cletus figure includes suicide, suicide makes up more then half of all gun deaths in the US. The point that I was making was that homicide by guns was not a top 15 cause of death. In fact murder/homicide is not a top 15 cause of death in the US for the first time in 45 years. That was the point I was making. Go back and read my posts. Do you honestly think that banning guns is going to stop suicides? Look at Japan, their suicide rate is higher than the combine homicide and suicide rate of the US and they don't even use guns to kill themselves.

Where does the bullet from a "warning shot" go and how did you guarantee it wasn't going to harm anyone?

That depends highly on the ammunition your using and where your aiming.

For example if your using hallow point rounds and you aim into the ground between you and the attacker the chances of ricochet are incredibly small and even if the disintegrated parts did ricochet the chance for serious injury let alone fatal injury is extremely remote.

I think its a little obvious that I was implying that you shoot into the ground using a hallow point round or a frangible bullet.

Really! Warning shots. What you gonna do shoot into the ground (oops ricochet better not do that) shoot near attacker (mmm who else is around), shoot into the air (make sure you look up and dont hit anything. Seriously though, it isnt a movie or hollywood where you can get away with that stuff. Its real life and a. you wont have time, b. you wont have the nerve you will be to panicked, c. it just doesnt work that way.

Cletus can you tell me what the odds are of a hallow point round or any type of frangible bullet ricocheting that would result in a serious or fatal injury? You seem to have bought the hollywood myth that all ammunition is full metal jacket. A hallowpoint round shot into the ground between you and the attacker or heck just in the ground in front of you the risk of ricochet is extremely remote and even if you do get hit by a ricochet the chances of it causing serious injury or fatal injury is even less likely then the richochet in the first place. There are many types of frangible bullets that exist. I suggest you research them.

I never claimed that in all self defense uses of a gun that the person would be able to get warning shots off. I merely provided examples of scenarios where a gun can be used as self defense and not harm anyone. Warning shots fired into the ground between you and the attacker using a hallow point or any other type of frangible ammo will most likely not ricochet and even if it does the little fragments that hit you will not cause serious injury or death.

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What a horrible combination, this dude, the so called angry white male, and a nut case?? And with access to guns?? Bad, bad combination! Forget that this dude was white, just any fool of any color, with mental problems and now give him or her a gun with lots of ammo?? Thank god all of the nutters here in Japan do not have easy access to guns like back in Seattle.

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Stay on topic please.

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In the States the nuts use guns or whatever else is available, here in Japan they tend to go for knives ...

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Noliving

Warning shots are also another example of self defense use that don't cause harm.

Really! Warning shots. What you gonna do shoot into the ground (oops ricochet better not do that) shoot near attacker (mmm who else is around), shoot into the air (make sure you look up and dont hit anything. Seriously though, it isnt a movie or hollywood where you can get away with that stuff. Its real life and a. you wont have time, b. you wont have the nerve you will be to panicked, c. it just doesnt work that way.

More laws doesn't solve the violence problem.

Actually yes it does. Why do people in cities need guns? Take all guns off everyone except for those that can PROVE they need them. Simple no access to guns works in other countries.

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Show, no, they stash the guns in their clothes.

Not all, but some. And why? Because laws have affected their behavior even if they don't comply 100 percent. Thugs do pay attention to laws.

This wasn't gang-related, but a mentally unstable individual.

Not really much difference to the point that guns need to be controlled. The wrong people get them far too much in America.

More laws doesn't solve the violence problem.

This is something of a strawman argument. Nobody said it would solve the violence problem. The goal is to make things better, and laws do and have. I might agree that we don't necessarily need "more" laws though. I think what we need are better ones. Canada is a good place to look for direction, if Americans weren't too foolish proud to look north.

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Show, no, they stash the guns in their clothes. You've never been to Compton or Hawthorn, or the OBT in Orlando then, for example.

Now that more pertinent details of the incident have been added to the article, it's quite different. This wasn't gang-related, but a mentally unstable individual.

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but my point was that thugs pay no attention to laws.

If that were true, thugs would casually walk down the street donning bullet belts with fully automatic weapons in hand shooting the bulbs out of street lamps for kicks.

Thugs do pay attention to laws. They just don't adhere 100 percent.

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@fadamor

"Homicide" is the killing of a Homo Sapiens, whether intentional or not.

Killing of another person. Suicide is not counted as homicide.

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Smith, I actually agree with you. There are already a plethora of laws on the books, but my point was that thugs pay no attention to laws. Responsible gun owners respect the power of guns and treat them with due respect. The problems stem largely from lack of proper training and disrespect for human life.

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@show, I think you misunderstand my position on guns. Law-abiding citizens and thugs have little in common. No thugs should have any access to weapons, as current laws already state. As for crazies, they were usually normal at some time, but the mentally unstable should not have access, either.

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Andrew Stawicki, 29, of Ellensburg, told the Times he recognized a photo shown on TV newscasts of the alleged gunman as his brother Ian. Andrew Stawicki said Ian Stawicki was mentally ill.

"It's no surprise to me this happened," he told the newspaper. "We could see this coming. Nothing good is going to come with that much anger inside of you."

well, sine he was mentally ill, there are a combination of problems aside from the act that he was able to obtain firearms--which is definitely a problem.

one contributing factor was probably a cutback in facilities and the like for the mentally ill.

if someone can't function in society due to mental illness, then they shouldn't be in society.

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Herve: "More laws doesn't solve the violence problem. It's the lack-of -respect-for-human-life mentality that is the problem."

Yes and no. Definitely yes for the latter part of what I quoted, but limiting people to what tools they can use to 'express' their lack of respect for human life would go a good deal a way towards limiting the number of casualties.

There was ANOTHER (no surprise, really) shooting incident in Indiana today on top of this Seattle one, and a spate of gun killings across the US that didn't make headlines in JT. In one of the latter cases, three of the murders were in a high-crime area and they think drugs were involved, but a separate incident in the same city was just people who were arguing, it got heated, and they had access to weapons that allowed them to shoot at and possibly kill each other (over AN ARGUMENT!). One woman died.

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Homicide with guns isn't a top 15 cause of death in the US.

Are you even reading what is posted? He just TOLD you that deaths due to firearms is number 7 on the list. "Homicide" is the killing of a Homo Sapiens, whether intentional or not. Try AGAIN.

Warning shots are also another example of self defense use that don't cause harm.

Spoken like a true fan of TV (and obviously NOT a member of the NRA because even THEY frown on this). Pop Quiz: Where does the bullet from a "warning shot" go and how did you guarantee it wasn't going to harm anyone? There's a REASON why police are only allowed to aim for "center body mass" when they decide to use their firearm. "Warning shots" are not allowed because you have no control of where that bullet ends up.

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Thugs are usually banned from gun ownership, but get them on the black market anyway.

Not 100 percent Herve. If even the rules prevent only 50 percent from acquiring guns, that is a lot of lives saved. And that is only talking about thugs, and not people who are just plain nuts. And among that 50 percent, many will be arrested on other charges and have their guns taken away before they kill anybody. And without the regulations, their guns would not be taken away and would be waiting for them as soon as they got out of the big house. No thanks.

And you know what? If not for the NRA blocking any move on gun regs, we would probably have a licensing system in place by now that further help ensure that decent, responsible and trained people had guns while the thugs you speak of would have a much harder time not only buying guns, but also buying bullets.

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Seattle is a total hellhole. I'm shocked that people still choose to live there.

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Why can't you all wait for all the details before your fire your own guns???

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Actually deaths due to firearms is number 7 on the list of causes of death for Americans and comes in above drug abuse. And of the 30,000 deaths due to firearms a third are due to murders. Which is down significantly on previous years was as high as 59,000 in 2000.

I was talking about homicide with guns. I should have been more clear, I should have made the last sentence be the first sentence. Homicide with guns isn't a top 15 cause of death in the US. It's way down and people don't seem to get that, they keep talking about how we need more restrictive gun laws even though the current gun laws are working in terms of reducing gun violence.

Um self defence doesnt cause harm? Huh you are using a firearm to HARM someone else. Try again.

Ok I will, not all self defense uses of a firearm involve shooting the gun at the attacker, just merely brandishing the firearm can be enough to prevent an attack from happening or stopping it dead in its tracks. Warning shots are also another example of self defense use that don't cause harm.

settle arguments, disputes, family fights, or when kids access them and hurt themselves or others. If guns where more tightly controlled as in other countries then gun crime would go down. As would gun deaths.

Which thankfully are very rare. It is funny how people think legal gun owners use guns to settle arguments and disputes or family fights all the time, they don't. In fact they almost never do. The only way gun crime would go down is if you do a house by house search and confiscation of guns, there are over 300 million legally owned firearms in the US owned by at least 65+ million. Simply just adding more "restrictive" gun laws wouldn't have any effect on gun crime in the US because the sheer number that have already been sold. Although if it was the other way around before guns were prevalent in US society it would theoretically cause gun crime to go down, but mexico is a perfect example of that not being true, but that does not mean the perps wouldn't just simply use a different method.

What would have the biggest impact on gun violence in the US would be ending the drug war. For example more than half of homicides and aggravated assaults in the city of Detroit are drug related.

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NRA conference in Seattle next year, yeeh hah! Do crackers go soggy in the rain?

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Oh, blame it on the guns, again...

Thugs are usually banned from gun ownership, but get them on the black market anyway.

More laws doesn't solve the violence problem. It's the lack-of -respect-for-human-life mentality that is the problem.

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Cue the extremists who will tell you if everyone in the cafe was armed, no-one would have been killed. I recently mety a bloke from Alaska who told me all passegers on planes should have the right to bear arms in order to foil terrorists. Ban them, America - the guns AND these nutjobs!

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Noliving

Doesn't need to learn considering over 99.999% of gun owners never kill or harm anyone and if they do kill or harm the most likely person they kill or harm is themselves. Guns are not even a top 15 cause of death in the US. Your more likely to die from falling or alcohol related incident then you are to be murdered by a gun in the US.

Actually deaths due to firearms is number 7 on the list of causes of death for Americans and comes in above drug abuse. And of the 30,000 deaths due to firearms a third are due to murders. Which is down significantly on previous years was as high as 59,000 in 2000.

That is a lie and you know it. Target shooting, hunting, and self defense do not cause hardship and harm to people.

Um self defence doesnt cause harm? Huh you are using a firearm to HARM someone else. Try again. But lets see yes the activities of target shooting and hunting are not the issues its people who resort to using their guns to settle arguments, disputes, family fights, or when kids access them and hurt themselves or others. If guns where more tightly controlled as in other countries then gun crime would go down. As would gun deaths.

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Shouldn't we be looking more at Syria?

Someone disturbed us while we were drinking our afternoon tea.

In other news, it's a a blood bath massacre in Syria. I guess this story is more exciting because someone's scone got blasted to bits.

In Seattle, they are already drinking more $10 cups of coffee. In Syria they are still ducking and running for cover. They can barely find water.

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When will the US learn to ban guns?

Doesn't need to learn considering over 99.999% of gun owners never kill or harm anyone and if they do kill or harm the most likely person they kill or harm is themselves. Guns are not even a top 15 cause of death in the US. Your more likely to die from falling or alcohol related incident then you are to be murdered by a gun in the US.

They only serve to cause hardship and harm to people.

That is a lie and you know it. Target shooting, hunting, and self defense do not cause hardship and harm to people.

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I am so worried for loved ones in Seattle. When will the US learn to ban guns? They only serve to cause hardship and harm to people.

Most Seattle people would give a person the shirt off their back to help someone in need. That is the kind of culture that city has and why so many people love it as much as we do.

I am so sad to hear about all the recent violence. Our world is producing more and more cold hearted people with no grounding in humanity. A sick side effect of our world today.

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Such crimes in Seattle increased when bloods and crips et. al. began moving up. Now, formerly "safe" areas have been polluted by gang thugs. It's really a shame.

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Bad mix, foolish people, too many drugs, too many drugs and now once safety Seattle is no more safety??

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