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Quote: "Authorities say a man approached the restaurant and opened fire."

A man? Sounds like less than a man...

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That would most likely be a gang-banger.

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Trump introduced the travel ban to prevent foreign terrorism but the bigger crime is gunshot with a 100 times more victims than acts of terrorism domestic or foreign.

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Trump should be ashamed that this is happening in his America, and he hasn't done anything about it. This is 100% Trump's fault.

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For over 50 years the progressive liberal policies of the Democrats have historically ruined that city and yet, the people keep voting these loons in, Obama in 8 years as president has done nothing to tackle this issue aggressively, the same goes with the legislative branch of that city and Emanuel has been one of the worst mayors to run that already besieged city. Once again, Blacks get duped again by progressive liberal polices, as long as the Dems get their votes, nothing else matters, pathetic these people.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/12078/11-things-you-need-know-about-chicago-murder-wave-aaron-bandler

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http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/homicides

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@Zichi

"Trump introduced the travel ban to prevent foreign terrorism but the bigger crime is gunshot...."

That's because there's an extensive global war of terror going on, keeping down the numbers. Without it, the number of "foreign" terror victims would be in the millions.

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Gunshot crimes and mass killings happen across the entire nation and it was an issue spoken often about by Obama who also tried to introduce new gun control regulations but as for Trump nothing except some outrageous statements during his campaign. Gunshot deaths are out of control. The mass shooting at the gay club in Florida for example so not all gunshot crime happens only in Chicago. The torch is now passed to Trump, what will he do about guns?

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Gunshot crimes and mass killings happen across the entire nation and it was an issue spoken often about by Obama who also tried to introduce new gun control

Yes, but what does that have to do with him NOT addressing the Black community on a continual basis about the out of control black on Black crime. But like most Democrats, they want the Black vote, but other than that, they could care less about Blacks.

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@zichi

3,000 people were killed in one Monday morning in Manhattan in 2001. That was before the war on terror started. The Islamists would have continued killing, and you'd have no argument anymore. The true threat, or potential danger, of "foreign terrorism" is actually immense, capable of shutting down vast parts of our society, like aviation. Gangs can't and won't do this.

Your approach -- which you repeat on this forum -- of comparing 2 simple numbers is simplistic and misleading. It's akin to saying vending machines are more dangerous than nuclear weapons since the latter haven't killed anyone since 1945, whereas the former have killed a dozen or so in that time. It's the potential danger and the threat posed that counts, and which security experts (unlike yourself) are focused on most..

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@JeffLee

That's because there's an extensive global war of terror going on, keeping down the numbers. Without it, the number of "foreign" terror victims would be in the millions.

You missed the point, my comment wasn't about terrorism across the globe but what is happening inside America on American soil. The purpose of Trump's travel ban is not to prevent terrorism par se, its to help prevent terrorists entering the US but its unfounded because it would not prevent a terrorist attack like 9/11 or the Pan AM Lockerbie bombing.

Since 2000, in America there have been about 5,000 victims of terrorism by domestic and foreign terrorists while more than 450,000 victims of gunshot, so the greater problem is gunshot crime and not the travel ban which won't stop any determined terrorist from entering America.

During his term, Obama spoke out about gunshot crime and tried to introduce new regulations only to be shot down by congress. Nothing on this from Trump?

On average 93 Americans are killed every day from gunshot including 7 children. Since Trump became president there have been 3,648 victims of gunshot.

Mass Shootings Tracker

http://www.shootingtracker.com/Main_Page

Yes, but what does that have to do with him NOT addressing the Black community on a continual basis about the out of control black on Black crime. But like most Democrats, they want the Black vote, but other than that, they could care less about Blacks.

Color blind you said? I remember Obama speaking out about gunshot crimes across the nation and also in Chicago and the situation with the Black community there. Just part of your continued obsession needing to attack Obama almost in every comment. Hope you'll soon get over it.

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Gunshot deaths are out of control.

Why is a number that has stabilized if not significantly decreased in the past 20+ years in the USA something that is out of control?

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@JeffLee

Your approach -- which you repeat on this forum -- of comparing 2 simple numbers is simplistic

That’s because the numbers speak for themselves. If you are concerned about the deaths of Americans, and I am since I have a large American family, including my aging parents in Florida so yes I have a real concern about gunshot deaths which is 100 times more than those from acts of terrorism and even if you look at the total number of Americans killed by terrorism across the globe since 2000 the figures don’t even come anything like the numbers of gunshot victims.

Death is never simplistic and you can make your own further reading and search if it should interest you.

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@JeffLee

The figures speak so please answer the questions. How many Americans have died from terrorists attacks since 2000, even with attacks across the globe and you can include all deaths in the military. How many deaths from gunshots since 2000? Which is the bigger threat to Americans. The one which kills thousands of them or the one which kills hundreds of thousands of them on their own soil.

Your arguments are about "maybe's" while I just give the actual facts of those killed. Its clear from your comments you are concerned about terrorism, especially those involving muslims but not all terrorists are muslims and you express no concern or sympathy for any victims of gunshot, not even a single word from your tunnel vision.

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During his term, Obama spoke out about gunshot crime and tried to introduce new regulations only to be shot down by congress. Nothing on this from Trump?

Ok, that's about guns and what else did Obama talk about to stop the Black on Black crimes, not all of it has to do with guns and even if you took all the guns, they would find other ways to kill each other, stop using guns as an excuse, I know full well, that's not the underlying problem within the Black community generally.

Color blind you said?

Precisely!

I remember Obama speaking out about gunshot crimes across the nation and also in Chicago and the situation with the Black community there. Just part of your continued obsession needing to attack Obama almost in every comment. Hope you'll soon get over it.

Zichi, I am getting really tired of the stupid gun, gun, gun argument, what about the high incarceration rate, what about 70% of Black families coming from single parent households, what about the high drug use and the gangs, teen pregnancy and the school dropout rates.

These are the real issues that the former president and the left have avoided addressing for years, as usual, they want to shove the blame, that's just what liberals do. it's always someone else's fault, it's never their fault and again, this is why people don't trust Dems and they can't win anything politically, they have zero concept for what it means to be accountable or even responsible

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bass4funk

The real crime will remain the numbers of gunshot victims and the mass shootings of hundreds of thousands of victims which reaches across all people of all races, all ages and sexes and even very young children. With something like 200 million gun ownerships probably no way back but why are there not the same number of gunshot victims and crimes in Japan? The answer is simple, there are almost no guns here. Difficult to own and limited on the bullets too.

I don't expect any single president is going to resolve the problem especially with so much opposition from the NRA. Obama did speak out which you said he didn't and did try to have new regulations.

The Black community does have a high level of its own problems with the highest gun crime being Black-on-Black but where do the guns actually come from, the gun manufacturers that's were.

But you claim to be an "independent" but constantly attack the left and the liberals over these issues and never the fault of the right or conservatives who probably own more of the guns. Obama did speak out about the Black crime and the senseless deaths.

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The real crime will remain the numbers of gunshot victims and the mass shootings of hundreds of thousands of victims which reaches across all people of all races, all ages and sexes and even very young children.

Again, you dodge the issue, guns are NOT the issue, Chicago already has the strictest gun laws in the entire country. Stop shoving the blame on the irresponsibility of the thousands of Black men that refuse to step up to the plate and take care of their kids, be roll models, leave the gangs, get an education, get off of welfare, how about the Dems like under Clinton limit the amount of welfare received and as a result the amount of recipients went down and under Obama, it ballooned! Why libs don't address the school drop out rates, the gangs and on and on, you guys always gloss over that and try to make guns the center, it's just a BS argument and you guys know it. I would respect the left a lot more if they just would come out and say," we hate guns and the country shouldn't have them!" better than this charlatan game of maybe if we can get rid of all the guns, Black men will go back to being better fathers and stop joining gangs and selling drugs and stay in school. Give me a break!

But you claim to be an "independent" but constantly attack the left and the liberals over these issues

Yes, because their constituents are predominantly Black in the highest crime areas and NONE of them ever address it, especially the Black caucus, completely silent. Where is the Sainted Al Sharpton? Why is he not outraged by this?

Obama did speak out about the Black crime and the senseless deaths.

Like 2 or 3 times that will greatly change and influence the Black community.

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bass4funk

Again, you dodge the issue, guns are NOT the issue,

The issue are the victims which also happen across the nation and even in the schools.

Stop shoving the blame on the irresponsibility of the thousands of Black men that refuse to step up to the plate and take care of their kids, be roll models, leave the gangs, get an education, get off of welfare, how about the Dems like under Clinton limit the amount of welfare received and as a result the amount of recipients went down and under Obama, it ballooned!

Sounds hateful to me and coming from a white kid from a rich or well off family. For everything we always need to look for the cause and effect and there's never just one. Why did the Black community become so high with poverty levels, less opportunities for universities and well paid employment. Why do you even want to paint all Blacks with the same brush. Why is there even a Chicago South Side because of the history against them. not being able to live in a place of their choice. Why are there greater levels of unemployment and more Black per capita in prison than whites.

Why does America have the largest prison population in the world with more than 2 million inmates, white, black and hispanic. The South Side was racially segregated for many decades. The problem today wasn't just made today the seeds are sown previously. Chicago isn't the most dangerous city in America and by murder rate would be in the middle of a list of cities.

St. Louis is listed as the most dangerous city with a homicide rate of 59.30/100,000 compared with Chicago of 17.5/100,000. Miami is close too at 17.10.

Why libs don't address the school drop out rates, the gangs and on and on, you guys always gloss over that and try to make guns the center, it's just a BS argument and you guys know it.

I told you I'm not a lib, or a member of "you guys" just a freethinker. But anyway why not inform us why kids drop out of schools? Guns will never be a BS argument for me, top of the list. Get the guns off the streets and criminals too.

Black men will go back to being better fathers and stop joining gangs and selling drugs and stay in school. Give me a break!

Can't seem to shake my impression that you don't really like Blacks how about suggesting how they could be helped or encouraged to change since you feel so strong about it.

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