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7 shot dead at California illegal marijuana growing site

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By ELLIOT SPAGAT and MICHAEL R. BLOOD

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Hmmm, I thought legalizing it was supposed to mean this kind of thing was all in the past.

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There are still some remains of the old dealers that haven't realized yet that is a proper business now.

It must be a glitch on the system, these buggers will soon be extinguished.

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Comes of over taxing the product, same thing happened in the high tide period of smuggling in the UK in the 18th century, only wiped out the violence and organised gangs when the taxes were massively reduced and it became uneconomic. The tax take also went rocketing up as trade mushroomed.

They need to regulate it properly, encourage legal growers and reduce the tax.

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Hmmm, I thought legalizing it was supposed to mean this kind of thing was all in the past.

Hmmm . . . Literally nobody claimed this. What was claimed, and is correct, is that this type of thing would be greatly reduced.

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Over regulation and high taxation seems to be pretty standard reasons why people would want to circumvent the system.

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Hmmm . . . Literally nobody claimed this. What was claimed, and is correct, is that this type of thing would be greatly reduced.

Right. Seven people murdered in one day. “Greatly reduced”.

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Right. Seven people murdered in one day. “Greatly reduced”.

Yes. Do some research and you’ll understand your error.

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Same thing will happen in Japan if they legalize marijuana;-)

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Legalisation went smoothly in Nederland, Portugal, and the rest of American States.

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So 7 people doing illegal things are shot dead. That's a win in my book.

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@Kumagaijin

Same thing will happen in Japan if they legalize marijuana;-)

Did that happen when marijuana was legal in Japan just a couple generations ago?

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Every Summer, I return to my hometown in Oregon and blaze it. ; ) Except this Summer, of course. I'm not a full-blown pothead like my brother, so I can take or leave it.

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Over a decade of alcohol prohibition to learn from. Seems only the crooked and evil learned anything at all. Legalize it but tax the hell out of it? It was either an idiot or a devil that came up with that plan. That's just government taking over the business from drug dealers.

Land of the fee, home of the slave. That's what I say. Wouldn't actual freedom be nice? Sadly that takes courage most Americans don't actually have.

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Every Summer, I return to my hometown in Oregon and blaze it. ; ) Except this Summer, of course. I'm not a full-blown pothead like my brother, so I can take or leave it.

Good news for you - you can preserve some brain cells.

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As Pete Townsend said, “its too bad marijuana turns your brain into a softball.“

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When using marijuana, it takes you 10 seconds longer to respond to "Hey, stupid."

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Hmmm, I thought legalizing it was supposed to mean this kind of thing was all in the past.

Each county and every incorporated city has the option to allow sales and/or growing or prohibiting it in their county. Many, maybe most county boards of supervisors and most city councils have voted to prohibit it. So while it is legal to have it and use it in every county in the state, it isn't always legal to grow or sell it, leading to a continuation of black market activities.

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Over regulation and high taxation seems to be pretty standard reasons why people would want to circumvent the system.

The legalization legislation came out of a voter approved initiative. Governor Brown and the legislature both fought legalization. The voters approved an initiative that gave cities and counties the ability to prohibit the sales and/or cultivation or pot within their boundaries. A pretty large number of county boards of supervisors and city councils voted to ban the sales and cultivation of pot. So while people remain free to use it they often have to travel several counties away to legally buy it. It is a flaw in the way the law was written but it was done so to make it palletable to enough voters for the initiative to pass. My own county and city are vociferously opposed to legalization and do everything possible to thwart it. Voter initiatives to allow cultivation and sales have so far not garnered enough votes to pass. No shortage of potheads here though.

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Good ol' Aguanga. It's at the junction of some great motorcycle roads but has little else to recommend. Just someplace you blow through on the way to someplace fun. A couple of decades ago the headline would have been about a trailer blowing up. Meth lab. That town has always been a wild west sort of place with any number of illegal activities going on.

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As Pete Townsend said, “its too bad marijuana turns your brain into a softball.“

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When using marijuana, it takes you 10 seconds longer to respond to "Hey, stupid."

Are you guys like 100 or something? No one under 80 actually believes these things do they?

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Are you guys like 100 or something? No one under 80 actually believes these things do they?

I grew up around pot users. I have lived around it long enough to know beyond any doubt that heavy users are useless waste products for which their whole world revolves around pot. They are good for nothing. I never saw the old movies or anything, just what I have seen with my own eyes. Not that different from smokers either. And it is smoking with all the physical damage it does to your lungs and heart. Don't try to dress it up as this thing that does no harm. That is a lie.

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Every Summer, I return to my hometown in Oregon and blaze it. ; ) Except this Summer, of course. I'm not a full-blown pothead like my brother, so I can take or leave it.

Go Oregon! I hope your people aren’t affected by the wildfires.

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I grew up around pot users. I have lived around it long enough to know beyond any doubt that heavy users are useless waste products for which their whole world revolves around pot. They are good for nothing. I never saw the old movies or anything, just what I have seen with my own eyes.

My personal anecdotes tell a very different story. In law school, there were more than a handful of heavy users. These same people are still heavy users, but are quite successful lawyers. I also know quite a few MD doctors and PhD doctors who are also heavy users, but successful.

Not that different from smokers either. And it is smoking with all the physical damage it does to your lungs and heart. Don't try to dress it up as this thing that does no harm. That is a lie.

Nobody is trying to dress it up as something that does no harm. What we are saying is that it is not as harmful as the willfully ignorant make it out to be.

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Desert Tortoise, thats been my observation too, including some otherwise talented musicians whose sense of timing and ability to memorize music was messed up by long term use, not to mention impaired ability to think logically.

Its usually the long term users themselves who defend marijuana and ridicule anyone who criticizes its use, but that also explains their lack of sound judgement.

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Its usually the long term users themselves who defend marijuana and ridicule anyone who criticizes its use, but that also explains their lack of sound judgement.

Someone who thinks personal anecdotes are valid evidence is criticizing anyone else’s judgment?!

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I grew up around pot users. I have lived around it long enough to know beyond any doubt that heavy users are useless waste products for which their whole world revolves around pot. They are good for nothing.

Then you didn't grow up around many pot smokers. I literally know doctors and lawyers that smoke it, as well as police, scientisists, and many other professions. You're just pushing old propaganda.

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it is smoking with all the physical damage it does to your lungs and heart.

Eh? Again, you show you don't know what you're talking about. Cannabis is not bad for your heart. And it's only bad for your lungs if you are a chronic smoker. Very few people are, as they don't have the time to be high all day.

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